Edgeguarding Mario

[Battlecow]

What with the fireballs he can pressure you with on the way in, and the good priority of his up-B, I find that little ****er very hard to edgeguard/gimp/spike. Any advice?

 

[SheerMadness]

You use ledge invincibility to force him to up b onto the stage then you jump up/get up and own him.

 

[Lordsmash]

Number 1 rule when playing smash.

YOU DO NOT WIN AGAINST FIREBALLS.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

What with the fireballs he can pressure you with on the way in, and the good priority of his up-B, I find that little ****er very hard to edgeguard/gimp/spike. Any advice?

which character, but what sheer said is fine.

 

[MATTS!]

Mario takes 50 years to get on the ledge, if mario does the "spin thing" just flop off and hit mario and he dies. if mario throws fireballs just get away from the fireballs and work your way around them to hit again, but most of the time after mario's 80 moves to get him on the edge, you pretty much know where he is going to be...., on the ledge. so just hit him off the ledge. Just takes practice with whoever you are using.



The Great MATTS!

 

[NixxxoN]

Good question. I'd say mario is definitely the hardest char to edgeguard. Can be very hard to edgeguard a good mario... But it depends of the char you use.

Pika: obvious fsmash is obvious.
Samus: down+b outpriorizes mario's up+b
Falcon: spike him at the right spot. mario's back is vulnerable when doing the up+b. you can also try bair and uair but in general falcon has a hard time edgeguarding mario
Ness: up+b and dsmash can work decently, spike is more risky
DK: use dk's up+b to send mario more far off if mario does the down+b
Kirby: dair or also nair can work

 

[dandan]

Good question. I'd say mario is definitely the hardest char to edgeguard

you do not think that is pikachu?

 

[ballin4life]

Properly timed/spaced fsmash works with most chars.

 

[asianaussie]

lol @ hardest

Pika is probably the hardest. Jiggs and Kirby recovering high are really hard to hit. Yoshi is nigh impossible to gimp w/o giant punch or something.

Sexkicks usually break Mario's recovery well, and most cancel fireballs too.

 

[blaze3927]

pika is probably the hardest taking mindgames/reads out of the equation
e.g
most noobs just go at right angles for quick attack
most of the time people go for sweet spot

kirby is hard at high but jiggs inflates and is destroyed by laserz

i reckon for mario try to stay a little above him, and just to start the edgeguarding as far away from the stage as safely possible, so you can either punish a poorly timed down b, or just bair that ****

 

[Lawrencelot]

If he's close enough and throws a fireball just hit him through his fireball with a bair or something (almost any char). If he's far, you could try to destroy the fireballs and take the ledge just when he wants to upB, after that you can punish him. If he's low you can just take the ledge at the right time, or do a smash attack.

 

[NixxxoN]

lol @ hardest

Pika is probably the hardest. Jiggs and Kirby recovering high are really hard to hit. Yoshi is nigh impossible to gimp w/o giant punch or something.

Sexkicks usually break Mario's recovery well, and most cancel fireballs too.

This is a bad argument, because lots of chars recovering high can be very hard or impossible to hit. Its more about "from far off the stage to the ledge" recovery

you do not think that is pikachu?

The main difference between Mario and Pikachu recoveries is that Mario has the wonderful fireballs that are useful as both defense and offense, Pikachu has nothing but speed and range. So id say Mario can be harder to edgeguard once you learn the Pikachu recovery options and learn to read which one hes gonna use. I think Ledgehogging can be reallly punishing for Pika, unlike Mario, who can hit you if you ledgehog with fireballs and with the up+b

 

[asianaussie]

This is a bad argument, because lots of chars recovering high can be very hard or impossible to hit. Its more about "from far off the stage to the ledge" recovery

Kirby and Jiggs can be expected to get hit really high even when not vsing D-Smash spammers. If, say, Link or Falcon were knocked out a fair distance, they wouldn't be able to recover high.

 

[smakis]

there is a difference between pika and mario though, pika can either chose to go on stage or go for the ledge, you can almost never cover both options. Mario on the other hand needs to go for the edge or close to it on stage

i usually do a slowfalling dair or dtilt mario, you get hit by the up b taking minimal dmg and mario gets spiked.

 

[Battlecow]

I play most characters (7-8 of them) against mario on a semiregular basis, and have trouble with all of them. Falcon probably slightly more than the others. Hope that helps, and thanks for all the good advice. I'd actually say that Mario's harder to edgeguard than pika; you can read most pikachus pretty well and either spike 'em mid quick attack if they go for the sweetspot or hang back and dash-grab-Bthrow/other attack during the endlag if they don't. That works with most/some characters.

Yoshi also makes a bid for hardest to edgeguard. Once you get rid of the second jump and get him off the edge, though, he's dead; this isn't necessarily the case with Mario.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I find Yoshi fairly easy to edgeguard. Well-timed attack will knock him off the stage as soon as his super armor ends. You can grab him if he is too close to the edge and throw him back off-stage (he gets his jump back, but with more damage and hopefully with less recovery options due to being farther away).

 

[The Star King]

Must... resist urge... to argue with NixxxoN...

 

[NixxxoN]

Must... resist urge... to argue with NixxxoN...

lol
say your opinion anytime anyday

but plz dont post sh¡t like "omg ur wrong im right cuz ur dum and im too l33t" stuff

 

[Dan$inyi]

i usually shield right near the edge then when mario upb's punish the lag.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

falcon downtilt can actually edgeguard mario effectively, you have to predict when he is going to upb though.

 

[dandan]

falcon downtilt can actually edgeguard mario effectively, you have to predict when he is going to upb though.

but isn't it more effective to edgehog and punish, with like a dair bair after mario's landing lag?

 

[rpotts]

^
if mario's already used his down b recovery then a dtilt will likely kill (unless of course he DI's it, but that can be said for anything) a Bair or Dair after he lands gives him all of his recovery options back.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

mario won't land sometimes so it's risky either way

 

[SheerMadness]

Just use ledge invincibility people. If you're under 100 and mario up b's onto the stage you have enough time to get up off the ledge and grab/smash/pretty much anything. If he doesn't up b onto the stage then he's dead since you've got the ledge.

 

[NixxxoN]

Can't mario hit you when you ledge hog anyway? He can hit with fireballs and with the up+b and place himself on the ledge

 

[SheerMadness]

His up b can't hit you if you use ledge invincibility correctly...

 

[ciaza]

Hogging the ledge and timing a dair correctly can spike mario if he recovers low, even though you will be hit by Mario's upB as well, though only for 1% damage.

 

[NixxxoN]

His up b can't hit you if you use ledge invincibility correctly...

Yes but he can trick you to use it too soon or too late. His up+b is quick. Use it too late and he hits you. Use it too soon and he grabs the ledge.