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Just tested and it doesn't seem to be as good for combos anymore. You can try to get a dash attack or f-tilt off of it, but the combo above doesn't work anymore unfortunately. I guess it can be replaced with more U-tilts instead.
Yeah tested it as well. But I think killing off the sides is an improvement at least
A bit worse, though still viable. The speed nerf and terrible recovery compared to everyone else limits him, but his damage and kill power are excellent. With customs, he is a very solid character, since his recovery and neutral can see improvements.
a lot worse.
Here's the thing though. I don't think he's worse. He's got a bit different play style and options is all. If you think about it, all the characters are worse than in melee anyway. There is no wavedashing or chain grabs. Doc's recovery wasn't really nerfed much in the transfer from melee to Sm4sh from my research either. Doc is certainly a character you should play smart with if you want to be good though
Pretty much why I don't main him anymore, yeah.
Well, patches are welcome if there's ever another. I still have no idea about dthrow to fair, honestly. Timing is very strict from what know, and it only works within a set amount of percent for each individual fighter. But I think it's most likely around 100% for most characters. Of course, it's not reliable but still sort of possible
You can test some of the percentages listed in the Dr. Mario Combo thread; I did the percentages a while back but they should still work.
D-throw to F-air is not a combo in Smash 4. D-throw to Super Jump Punch works on the other hand. As for aerials, try b-air and short hop u-air I guess? It doesn't suck that his aerials aren't too safe, but I think Doc's real strength is in his ground game in spite of the low dash speed (his air speed isn't much better tbh). Poking with pills and D-tilt/F-tilt and mixing things up with grab is generally a good gameplan. Doc has to be patient when approach or wait for the opponent to come to him.
Yeah, sorry. The positioning is good for it, but it's easily escapable. Ever since I started playing Doc, I've tried to do this during matches and the opponent would jump or airdodge out of it.Do you mean that the opponent can always DI to escape?
SJP is generally better.
Yeah I know there are possible ways to connect the fair (and I saw the percent list a while ago, thanks though) but it's very unreliable and, of course, as said before has a very strict time frame. I try not to rely too much on it, because Doc isn't powerless without it. Actually, I think fair is still somewhat reliable without having a guaranteed setup though. I've gotten so many KO's with it in the past week or so now without a guaranteed way into it
Tornado and D-air edgeguards are one of the big reasons why I like Doc and find him hugely underrated. Good low edgeguards are actually not particularly common in this game. Doc Tornado is one of few good high priority lingering moves that straight up kills people offstage, while D-air either beats or trades with a lot of things, and drags your opponent for gimps, which is especially nice when they get meteored in a trade.Do anyone here uses Doc's down-b as a ledge guarding tool? I find it to be VERY helpful.
Also, it's very good on the ground against spot dodging players when they're in high percentages.
Yes. I do it, and am trying to do it more often because it's very useful to meDo anyone here uses Doc's down-b as a ledge guarding tool? I find it to be VERY helpful.
Also, it's very good on the ground against spot dodging players when they're in high percentages.
He runs a lot more slowly and his Melee-esque recovery is really bad compared to the other characters, but he does tons of damage and knockback, has an excellent combo game, has a buffed Doc Tornado and Super Jump Punch, and his d-air, u-smash and f-air hit horizontally now. So buffs and nerfs all around.
Is he better or worse than what he was in Melee?
In terms of tier list position he's definitely worse, but still viable. Probably on the lower end of the cast with custom moves off. With customs on, he likely jumps to mid or mid-high, so he's about Melee level with that. Fast Capsules, both Super Sheet customs and Soaring Tornado are really good.
Of course he's worse. He's not bad though. I play him better than Mario, so it's all about your own abilities in a sense.
There are percents listed for Dthrow to Fair (22 dmg) in the combo thread. Fox, Falco, Meta Knight, ZSS, Marth, Lucina, Captain Falcon, Pikachu, Duck Hunt, Diddy, Little Mac, Mega Man, and Olimar are some of the major characters that Dthrow to Fair (22 dmg) is effective on.
Yeah I know about the list, thanks. I was curious as to which ones were best to take advantage of
The characters I just listed have a good percent range, 40 percent or more, for Dthrow to Fair (22 dmg).
Yep. I found it works best at around 95% on most who have that good percent range, especially since you can kill from that percent
You know the new Star Fox game is impending right?
"So Dr. Mario now has more games than Star Fox."
