Donkey Kong?

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

d'awwwww thank you <3

man, now i just want a good computer/good internet even more so i can play online. ;_;

wish i was good enough of a console player that people would start like a fund or something for me, rofl

/DREAMING.

 

[Battlecow]

Once I'm fabulously wealthy

I'll buy a mansion the size of Delaware and 600 CRT TV's

You're all invited. My chef's gonna get tired of cooking for 2, anyways.

 

[M!nt]

So do you post on here on like a phone or something? You don't have a PC at all?

 

[Battlecow]

Oh, watch Estradon's videos btw. Prolly the best DK "main" in the world.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

So do you post on here on like a phone or something? You don't have a PC at all?

Correct. I'm pretty poor lol

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

okay so after playing with tank for four hours, i have a couple of questions

1. what's a good way to practice the falling uair rising uair combo thing from the platform? i cannot do it correctly for the life of me.
2. is it required to shield after i get into the platform for the combo to work on the rest of the cast? is a couple of frames of lag going to really matter? i feel like there's enough hitstun for it to not matter.
3. can ness punish me from recovering up high? recovering low is definitely the most effective way of recovering most of the time, but i feel like vs ness i can get away with recovering higher. i'm probably wrong, though.

thanks in advance.

whoops, double post >_<

 

[ballin4life]

1) practice it in training mode? also use short hop to get on the platform and it autocancels (ie no need to z cancel)
2) not always required but it's a good idea to shield drop
3) seems like you're right but i'm not sure

 

[Battlecow]

Ness can bair you and **** but yeah going high is a pretty good idea sometimes. Mix it up.

For the uairs, just training mode that **** 'til the fingers bleed. The trick is getting that tilty up-press so that you don't jump.

 

[clubbadubba]

if the platform drop combo is REALLY givin you a hard time, practice it one part at a time. like work only of dropping and uairing. then work only on shorthopping and uairing. Then put it all together when you can do both. Other than that, training mode

 

[Sempiternity]

There's a reason why platform drop Uairs and run-off Uairs are so highly respected in this game; ****'s hard to do consistently and effectively!

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Run off uairs? lolwut

 

[Sempiternity]

Oh, and fast fall Uairs.

 

[SSBPete]

i've never found technical stuff all that challenging

just go into training mode for an hour or so every day and muck around with DK, use different maps and use different characters as dummies. if you practice uair chains until your fingers bleed, you actually wont progress very much and you'll get really frustrated and sick of the game. try different combos and use different attacks and every now and then try to throw in a platdrop uair or two. after a while you'll get the hang of it and you will start being able to do more than one/two at a time. moreso you will be able to apply them in practical situations and you'll have more options when playing other people

creativity is a great start to practicality

 

[ballin4life]

pete can you do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZFVd0uZDSQ&t=18s


i'd think SOME things would have to still be technically challenging but maybe you're just a beast.

 

[SSBPete]

just tried it then, it took me 8 attempts to land

yeah, you're right, there are some things i find extremely difficult still (like shine jabs) but most techs necessary for in-game i've got down fairly well

 

[Sangoku]

I wouldn't be able to do that combo, even if I tried the whole day. I'm dead serious. I can barely do it on jigglypuff (if I get lucky, I think I can get it once per hour). I suck at technical stuff.

On the other hand, DK's uair chains are easy to do. So no worries Eikelmann, that's definitely not so technical.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

i did it once! on a computer, but still.

 

[Sangoku]

Nair chains on Falcon? How do you know it linked if it were on a CPU? Are you sure they couldn't tech?

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

lol no, not that yoshi thing. fvck yoshi. i mean the uairs hahaha

 

[Sangoku]

Oh okay, you scared me. Good **** with the uairs. You'll see it's not so difficult to do once you get used to it. And it's good practice since tilting up without jumping is a usefull skill to master.

 

[ballin4life]

I wouldn't be able to do that combo, even if I tried the whole day. I'm dead serious. I can barely do it on jigglypuff (if I get lucky, I think I can get it once per hour). I suck at technical stuff.

On the other hand, DK's uair chains are easy to do. So no worries Eikelmann, that's definitely not so technical.

You could do it if you legitimately tried the whole day.

I think it's a great combo for tech skill practice.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Pretty sure I just came up with something. Two things, actually. I'd like some high level confirmation or something.

1. Air Cargo Hold releases. In training mode, I did cargo hold release (they got out of my hold while in the air) to uair, to dair on the left platform of DL. I'm pretty sure they can DI or maybe even attack before I can get the uair out, but like I said, confirmation. Anyone? I'm confident that if this worked with no DI, that it can be applicable into combos with DI, assuming that there isn't enough frame advantage for the enemy to input a move.

2. Neutral-b charge cancels on the stage as a spacing mindgame/taunt. You can cancel the charge animation of DK's neutral-b in the air to give yourself some extra push when you're trying to turn yourself around, but I haven't seen anyone try using it on the ground for spacing. I feel that it can be done quick enough to be useful for mindgames. Any input on that?

Thanks in advance, guys.

Also, I have the uair thing down now. I'll probably mess it up with playing in game, but I can practice with TANK when he comes over again.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

1. opponent can always punish you when they break out. Your best option when they break out of your aerial cargo hold is just to upb.

2. UP TO YOU

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

omg omg omg omg omg :o

What do you think about the second one though?

And at zero, they can still punish you?

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

You're at frame disadvantage when they mash out of your cargo in the air. Upb is your fastest move to use when your opponent breaks out of your aerial cargo hold and that's not even guarenteed to hit, uair is just too slow to get away with sadly.

I can see a grounded fully charged punch cancel used to scare them into shielding for a free grab, but that seems like a huge gimmick.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

You're at frame disadvantage when they mash out of your cargo in the air. Upb is your fastest move to use when your opponent breaks out of your aerial cargo hold and that's not even guarenteed to hit, uair is just too slow to get away with sadly.

I can see a grounded fully charged punch cancel used to scare them into shielding for a free grab, but that seems like a huge gimmick.

lkjdsfjkjdklsjflkajk;j I THOUGHT I FOUND SOMETHING NEW ;_____;

guess it's back to the lab hnnnggggg

 

[asianaussie]

boom is the only smasher i know who uses the term 'frame advantage'

 

[Fish641]

boom is the only smasher i know who uses the term 'frame advantage'

That's because the smash community isn't sophisticated enough to think about the game in terms like that.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Sure it is. Brawl uses the term "frame traps" all the time.

 

[asianaussie]

frame traps/staggering is completely different to acting on raw frame advantage

 

[Sempiternity]

frame advantage is the reason i DK dash attack kirby u-tilts (Y)

 

[cheeseball341]

frame traps/staggering is completely different to acting on raw frame advantage

wat

Using a move that you know leaves you in a position where their fastest active hitbox cant come out, but still allowing enough time to get counter hits is not acting on raw frame advantage?

 

[asianaussie]

ok, you're right on that

but frame traps specifically lure them to stop guarding and do stuff, so its a subset of using frame advantage

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

frame advantage is the reason i DK dash attack kirby u-tilts (Y)

loooooool made me laugh

 

[Fish641]

loooooool made me laugh

? it does give you a frame advantage if they clash

 

[Battlecow]

Yeah I do that too

not so much because it's good as because it's hilarious that DK's DA has a use.

 

[SSBPete]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPZXBDj5SSA&feature=related

great match for basic combos and even an advanced combo at the end

 

[tyhiggz]

? it does give you a frame advantage if they clash

^yes it does

Though, I don't care for DK's running attack at all in other situations.

 

[Sangoku]

Lol. The post of Fish641 wasn't a question. He was answering to the "LOOOL" reaction of Eikelmann.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

New idea. Any super techies or frame experts wanna fill me in?

Anyways, does DK get invinciblity frames when he grabs the ledge, and

Does DK have any invincibility frames during the first 10 frames or so of his charging animation of neutral b?