Donkey Kong Mafia - Game Over! Who's King of the Jungle?

[Super Vegito]

I'd prefer him investigate Kuz, actually. Don't you think?

 

[Mockingjay]

If he's indy/traitor with a miller(Sokr) in this game he is most likely going to pop Innocent regardless. Plus I don't feel he is Mafia with Soupa/Bardull with how this game has went.

I say ourself/Auspher since we have the least amount of info to go off of.

 

[Super Vegito]

I think John investigating Sokr would actually be the most beneficial he could use his role for. Since we are looking for indy, all of Johns results will say not mafia sided except for Sokr which should say mafia sided if he is telling the truth. However, if he is indy and claimed miller thinking that he would have shown up guilty to cops, his result will say not mafia sided. Meaning he lied about the miller claim. You get what I'm saying? So yeah unless a vig claims, John should be on Sokr tonight. In the event that we don't win today.

This ^

 

[Super Vegito]

So you think we are looking for 1 scum and 1 indie still?

 

[Mockingjay]

Idk, 3 scum+SK/Indy is very harsh set-up against town considering we have only had a cop claim in our claim roster.

Needs more analysis but I'm not throwing out the possibility yet.

 

[Chaco]

Confirming that we both dislike Chacotaco atm.

Gord uh yeah you should read. We aren't going to be able to get a successful lynch today without you, and it would be smashing to have this as a perfect win. I'm fine with KuzEE in the even of SK. Traitor KuzEE is possible. But in any event they aren't a concern. I'd only consider lynching them in 3man lylo. My vote on them earlier was me just being salty.

Uh are you claiming vig then? I mean if you're assuming that there is a traitor/vig rather than sk, then you must be one of those roles. You being traitor is definitely possible seeing as you were the driving force for the Bardull lynch (extra info). Though I really hope you're vig instead.

BTW why does John fit perfectly with traitor? Was his input on Bardull/Soup weird in anyway? I did just think of something while typing this though, but I'd like to hear where you're getting your read from.

Oh yeah one last thing, why go for Auspher if not John if you have a town read on Aus? Why not Chaco or Mjay?


Reasoning on Chaco
We believe that Chaco is pretending to have skimmed. It's as if he is intentionally playing ignorance to give off the appearance of not having a clue about SK. He should definitely have this info for a few reasons:
1. He had seen both mafia flips.If anything he should realize that there isn't likely a third mafia. Why then come in looking for connections to Bardull (which what led to his Aus vote)?


2. He had the whole night phase to at least read a good portion of the game. Yet in his
#732 he implied that he hadn't even read anything in d1: "I got some reading to do to see what caused D1's 4 hour successful lynch".

Like really? Why would he be waiting until just now to actually read something. But that's not even the juice of it (hehe juice). What leads us to believe that he is faking this is his #739: "I'd have to dig, and I'm about to crash. Basically all it was, was a general isn't it to early to be considering safeclaims. PoE and that comment give me a placeholder til I read up and investigate it further."

Oh so it seems he has been reading some. What he would argue now is that he just read up to that point during the time he just came in. But this isn't so. We had been talking with him during that time. Look at the time difference between the posts from him entering and up to this post I just quoted. He wasn't reading during that time.

Ok now we have even more. Even if he was able to "skim" up to that, then why would he have to "dig it up"? He would know exactly where Aus posted that if not the general area. This whole "dig it up" post implies that Chaco read beforehand. Yet his #732 post is trying to give the appearance of not having read anything. Why n.n?

So yeah he faking ignorance/skimming. It's like he's going for the whole It's like he's trying to go for a "OH he must be town cuz he didn't realize the sk" ordeal.

Wanna read every last game I've played in and noticed my claims about my weekend schedule?

Vegito, you're trying way to hard to place suspicion because you have no clue where to turn. It's literally less than a day(?) into this Day and you're trying to lynch me when I've made one post. Your backing is pathetic, and all but laughable, cause you're trying to nail me over a single post at 4am that has no relevance to your claim.

I will read in a little bit, but I just got home from work again. But let me go ahead and clear this up, because I apparently have to every single game. On weekends, I will be scarcely present at best. I work a lot over the weekend, and when I get off I hardly feel like reading. So bear with me.

 

[Chaco]

It's funny how your only points are implying you were standing over my shoulder.

Also, I wasn't implying a mafia connection, I had read the last page and skimmed throughout the first day, not stopping at that post, what I was implying was his concern for claiming, not safeclaiming, due to mafia mention of it. It would make sense to believe if the mafia faction lacked safe claims, other anti town would as well, no? That's why I said it was just a placeholder, but you ignore the obvious, and blast assumptions.

 

[John2k4]

So Chak, you wanna claim?

 

[Chaco]

I already have.

And you guys crucify me for skimming. Hahahahahahahaha.

 

[John2k4]

Nam I wanted your actual claim.

I find it silly to have a Diddy Kong and a Donkey Kong Jr. in the same game, since they are the same thing.

Unless you are CC-ing me..?

 

[Chaco]

...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donkey_Kong_characters

 

[Super Vegito]

Well one. I have been reading lost mafia now, still haven't tripped upon a weekend thing yet. But that isn't my concern right now. Hopefully you'll be caught up soon then? I still would like more content from you.

I still don't understand. This is why I asked you to quote the post. I didn't see anything obvious.

Vote: Auspher

Just based on BarDull's obsession with safeclaims, and Aussie's comment on 'em. (FYI; skim vote)

The red is the main thing here. The underlined is related to the red. Now, this is what makes me think you were trying to imply a connection to Bardull.

So can you clarify what you mean? Like quote Auspher and explain it again. : D

Look. It's not that hard. It's most likely You/Auspher/MockingJ

Any thoughts on MockingJ?

 

[Super Vegito]

Like. Just that statement alone makes me think that you thought he commented on safe claims. Like I couldn't understand your thought process on why Aussie's comment was suspicious.

 

[Super Vegito]

I already have.

And you guys crucify me for skimming. Hahahahahahahaha.

That wasn't our point.

Our point was that an SK/Indie would try to look like they were still scumhunting. (By mentioning a connection) It would be different if we got some actual hard stances from ya.

You got work. That's fine. But I'm not going to let that cloud my read. Just do your thang, and show me some action so I can read you.

Here is a question. Why did you feel the need to place a 'skim vote'?

 

[Super Vegito]

And of course, I'm not rushing you. So take your time dude. We still have to wait for the non-existant Auspher...

 

[Chaco]

Why not place a skim vote? It was harmless, and showed you where I was going to be looking when I DID read. (Like I even pointed out.) If I hadn't what would you be working with right now, as dumb as it is.

Oh, and my bad for messing up wording of my post...at 4 am.

 

[Chaco]

It would be different if we got some actual hard stances from ya'.

Yeah, it would. And it would be different if I didn't say I was skimming, ya know, implying no hard stances or even reading the game...

 

[Super Vegito]

It still doesn't give me anything to read you by. Only way it does help is give an extra vote instead of being totally useless.

But I'm trying to look for intentions, not just for surface value. So excuse me.

Currently I don't have much that will change my mind. Regardless, you are still in the lynch pool. If Auspher doesn't post, he'll be super lynched.

I still want to know what your thought process is on Auspher's comment, as to what was suspicious about it. Could it be that it isn't related to Bardull?

 

[John2k4]

If Auspher doesn't post, he'll be super lynched.

How long you giving him?

 

[Super Vegito]

Till near deadline. No excuse if he doesnt post till then.

Plenty of time to post content.

 

[Super Vegito]

We need to see his claim anyways. Y u ask?

 

[Super Vegito]

Uh Chaco where are you getting Bardull's "obsession" with safeclaims from?

Did anyone else pick up on mafia not having safeclaims? I surely didn't. I was just getting a town read on Chaco, but him knowing this is quite something.

Another thing to note here is once again he claimed to have only skimmed d1. But this: "Just based on BarDull's obsession with safeclaims" contradicts that. Once again he claimed that he needed to read to see what led to the successful lynch (as if he hadn't really read anything), but this is showing just the opposite. That he has been reading. And now he is claiming that he did in fact read some/skim d1, which again shows that his post was being fake in implying that he hadn't read any of it.

 

[Chaco]

Lemme break down my entire thoughts on my, let me reiterate one last time, skim. You can skim through a day and not read it, agree or disagree?

Anyways, BarDulL mentioned that it was likely mafia had safeclaims, blah, blah and that was the reason he opposed a mass claim. Red flag, right? Right. Anyways, you can tell that mafia did not due to his claim of cop, (actually reading now, didn't know this at last post, yay things falling into alignment.) and Auspher's opposition to a mass claim falls in line with a means o "no place to hide", that however, would not be a big deal really. But as I mentioned before, I used your list of me/Mockingjay/Auspher as PoE. So, that leaves a pool of Mock/Auspher for me, and following that line it's plausible that Ausu opposed the mass claim due to his independent role and no safeclaim. So like I said, it was a mere placeholder, and speculation. However, I'm going to leave my vote there cause I feel like it's the place to be currently.

 

[Super Vegito]

Alright looks like we got this. Chaco definitely just slipped

You said that you just now read that Bardull claimed cop. The thing is, you had already assumed that mafia didn't have safe claims. So then what other reason did you have to assume that they didn't have safe claims if you hadn't even read that Bardull claimed cop and not something else?

(btw even with him claiming cop, that doesn't mean that scum doesn't have safe claims. He could have simply been attempting to get a counter claim.)

Claiming that Bardull saying that scum probably has safeclaims led you to believe that scum doesn't have safeclaims is completely backwards. If anything that should lead you to the exact opposite conclusion.

You had no reason at all to assume that scum doesn't have safeclaims, but for some reason you know this.

And now another thing, why on earth would you simply follow my reads and take my word for who scum lay between?

We can lynch Chaco. Gord if you don't plan on reading today, this is where your vote should be.

 

[Super Vegito]

Sokr since you're here, mind placing your vote? What are your thoughts on Mjay & Chaco?

 

[Super Vegito]

It's funny how your only points are implying you were standing over my shoulder.

Also, I wasn't implying a mafia connection, I had read the last page and skimmed throughout the first day, not stopping at that post, what I was implying was his concern for claiming, not safeclaiming, due to mafia mention of it. It would make sense to believe if the mafia faction lacked safe claims, other anti town would as well, no? That's why I said it was just a placeholder, but you ignore the obvious, and blast assumptions.

Where exactly did you get the underlined from?

What is your opinion on MockingJ?

 

[Chaco]

How did I slip exactly? It's not hard to discern he lacked a safeclaim when he posted about it and was scum, put 2 and 2 together. It's not hard, Veg, use your brain. His opposition to it, and mentioning the possibility; meant he was worried about claiming to be CC'd. Intent is pretty easy to read.

I'm done discussing this with you now, because you're literally wasting my time trying to find anything to pin on me. Cut your tunneling out, and move on somewhere. Just because I have a different method of scum hunting means nothing, since when have I followed a set standard for finding scum?

So, if you'd excuse me now, I'm gonna catch up and ignore you for the remainder. Because quite frankly, you're annoying.

 

[Chaco]

What is your opinion on MockingJ?

I don't have one yet. Every time I open this thread I have to respond to your reaching.

 

[Chaco]

You had no reason at all to assume that scum doesn't have safeclaims, but for some reason you know this.

Are you a ****ing moron? Have I said I know this, I said it's LIKELY from the way he acted. You act like reading intent in posts is a foreign ****ing object, oh wait, that's cause you can't.

And now another thing, why on earth would you simply follow my reads and take my word for who scum lay between?

What do you not get about placeholder and skimming. It's not that I trust your reads, cause my god they're awful, you had a potential pool set up so I used PoE out of that with something to look at. As many times as I explain this, it's not gonna change. So ask me one more time to make sure, okay? Sounds good.

We can lynch Chaco. Gord if you don't plan on reading today, this is where your vote should be.

Oh, and you get on to me for following your reads and then you tell Gord where to place a vote. Nice. Please step down before you drive this assured win game into the ground, k thanks.

 

[Chaco]

(btw even with him claiming cop, that doesn't mean that scum doesn't have safe claims. He could have simply been attempting to get a counter claim.)

No, read how he played, highly unlikely.

 

[Super Vegito]

You only view the thread when I mention you, so I doubt you're actually reading. You claim Bardull had an obsession with safe claims, but all I had said was that "mafia probably has safe claims anyways" (something of that sort) after he disagreed with the mass claim. Everyone disagreed with the mass claim though. He was doing it to look townie, not because he was concerned about his claim. He had a dang cop claim for goodness sake. There is no way you should be getting that scum doesn't have safeclaims from this. At least not a townie should. You made this connection because you in fact don't have a safeclaim. This is how you slipped. You made a connection that no 100% ignorant townie would make.

It's funny because the Zengeta side of the hydra knows that you are familiar with this logic. You used the same reasoning on him in Pikmafia a while back ago. He had claimed that good characters weren't necessarily townie with regards to the flavor. You took noticed that his assumption of that was off. As if he was making an assumption that a townie would not make. So I know you see my reasoning.

Furthermore, the likely conclusion of Bardull stating that mafia probably has safeclaims anyways would be that mafia does in fact have safeclaims. Just as the likely conclusion that mafia (Zen) in pikmafia stating that scum probably weren't just bad characters led you to suspect this was likely so.

 

[Super Vegito]

EBWOP: all he had said

dat Fruedian slip.

 

[Super Vegito]

Here is the thing. It boils down to your justification on voting Auspher. If you 'didn't' slip, then this would mean you were saying the indie/sk didn't have a safe claim, and you connected it to Bardull to make it work. (While he never said anything about lack of safe claims, nor did his play really imply that they lacked safe claims) It seems forced. As if you were trying to find dirt on Auspher because of him being in the same pool as you.

I was getting torn on you. You seemed ok (besides the apparent slip), but then the justification on Auspher being related to Bardull somehow, I don't like.

I would understand if you said that you didn't like Auspher for only talking about consensus topics, but you seemed to... make it reach a bit further than that.

I know, PoE, but I don't think your reason for your Auspher vote is valid. Like you can't make that work.

 

[Super Vegito]

Ok. We'll drop it for now. I stand by my opinion.

Continue on with your reading. Then when you are done, you can reply to my latest post. Fair?

 

[Chaco]

You only view the thread when I mention you, so I doubt you're actually reading. You claim Bardull had an obsession with safe claims, but all I had said was that "mafia probably has safe claims anyways" (something of that sort) after he disagreed with the mass claim. Everyone disagreed with the mass claim though. He was doing it to look townie, not because he was concerned about his claim. He had a dang cop claim for goodness sake. There is no way you should be getting that scum doesn't have safeclaims from this. At least not a townie should. You made this connection because you in fact don't have a safeclaim. This is how you slipped. You made a connection that no 100% ignorant townie would make.

It's funny because the Zengeta side of the hydra knows that you are familiar with this logic. You used the same reasoning on him in Pikmafia a while back ago. He had claimed that good characters weren't necessarily townie with regards to the flavor. You took noticed that his assumption of that was off. As if he was making an assumption that a townie would not make. So I know you see my reasoning.

Furthermore, the likely conclusion of Bardull stating that mafia probably has safeclaims anyways would be that mafia does in fact have safeclaims. Just as the likely conclusion that mafia (Zen) in pikmafia stating that scum probably weren't just bad characters led you to suspect this was likely so.

I see your reasoning, but, you apparently don't get that I'm just speculating and not gunning for Ausu's lynch. He's my starting point, if I ever get to it. Hence placeholder, and everything else I've said on the subject. I don't see how ignorant you can be to that, when I have clearly stated that I don't know how many times now. And I guarantee you that no two minds think alike, things I take interest in and note of will be different than yours, right? So, contesting a 3 second theory is fine, however gunning for a lynch on me and continuously reaching is just quite stupid.

Slow down, and just ease up the pace. No need to play mafia at breakneck speeds.

 

[Chaco]

Here is the thing. It boils down to your justification on voting Auspher. If you 'didn't' slip, then this would mean you were saying the indie/sk didn't have a safe claim, and you connected it to Bardull to make it work. (While he never said anything about lack of safe claims, nor did his play really imply that they lacked safe claims) It seems forced. As if you were trying to find dirt on Auspher because of him being in the same pool as you.

I was getting torn on you. You seemed ok (besides the apparent slip), but then the justification on Auspher being related to Bardull somehow, I don't like.

I would understand if you said that you didn't like Auspher for only talking about consensus topics, but you seemed to... make it reach a bit further than that.

I know, PoE, but I don't think your reason for your Auspher vote is valid. Like you can't make that work.

That was what I initially stated, do you get it now? I was saying there was a slight potential, because of Ausu's questioning of the mass claim (weariness?) he exemplified similar thoughts much like BarDulL giving ME a starting placeand a placeholder. It's really not a hard concept, and how in the **** does it seem forced when I'm not even pushing it? I've had to explain everything to you multiple times. My posts are augmented, if you're trying to get me to backpedal you should know by now that it's not happening. I've clarified in about every way possible now.

And lastly, it doesn't matter if you don't like it, and it doesn't matter if it's valid, because...

say it with me:

It's just a starting point.

 

[Super Vegito]

We will withhold on our opinion for now. Continue your catch up and once you finish, we'll reply and give thoughts on your new content.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Well KuzEE would probably me null-leaning scum, especially with a SK in play it seems.

Chaco hasn't really sad anything/done anything to really account for since we are in the same boat as him.

Gorf, I believe is townier than scummier.

Vote: Mockingjay totally fine with this now.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yeeeesh, I was just getting to this game.

Candy Kong, Jungle Townie.

Soupa died, he was our biggest scum-suspect when we read in the night/coming into toDay but with him gone, we really don't know what do so we are moreso apathetic and willing to follow Zen around.

Kuzi is good at faking that stuff though.

Also it's not a strong conviction, it's just if I had to peg someone as the indy, I would go KuzEE especially over like John/Sokr/Gorf/Yourself. Auspher/Chaco are non-existant so don't know. So I guess a fleeting suspicion.

I'd vote Chaco toDay.

Alright, I'll bite on a Chaco lynch.

Vote: Chaco

And Gorf claimed Vig?

I'm near sure on this guys... @Kuz on a scale of Soup to you how attractive is this suspicion?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Confirming that we both dislike Chacotaco atm.

Gord uh yeah you should read. We aren't going to be able to get a successful lynch today without you, and it would be smashing to have this as a perfect win. I'm fine with KuzEE in the even of SK. Traitor KuzEE is possible. But in any event they aren't a concern. I'd only consider lynching them in 3man lylo. My vote on them earlier was me just being salty.

Uh are you claiming vig then? I mean if you're assuming that there is a traitor/vig rather than sk, then you must be one of those roles. You being traitor is definitely possible seeing as you were the driving force for the Bardull lynch (extra info). Though I really hope you're vig instead.

BTW why does John fit perfectly with traitor? Was his input on Bardull/Soup weird in anyway? I did just think of something while typing this though, but I'd like to hear where you're getting your read from.

Oh yeah one last thing, why go for Auspher if not John if you have a town read on Aus? Why not Chaco or Mjay?

No, I'm NOT vig OR traitor and I hope, Ran, you don't let Zen go super assuming **** like he loves todo. I was more likely to believe vig cuz I was much more sold on traitorJohn than anything else but he claimed cop so w.e. Didn't read. SK becomes a raised possibility but off of strict speculation I can see a traitor + vig more than 2 maf + SK. No strings attached Zen. None. I promise.

John had fit perfectly because, iirc, John BARELY poked at em until it was forced out of em, and iirc Soup and Bardull had zero attention paid to em. But like I said... Didn't read and I guess now I can dig copJohn thanks to J.

Cuz Ausupher is a waste and I had no read on MJ or Chaco.