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Does Fox have any inherent weakness? (not a joke topic)
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Battousai X
Smash Apprentice
As far as my knowledge goes, fox and falco are really weak to donkey kong, since they fall very fast.
A good Dk user should be able to atleast 2 stock a fox or falco user
A good Dk user should be able to atleast 2 stock a fox or falco user
And a good Fox or Falco user should know to avoid grabbage 
Winston
Smash Master
Fox has an inherent weakness to Falco and Marth on Final Destination. Marth can combo Fox just as well as DK can, but his grab is much faster and longer-ranged.
Falco's lasers and combos make things tough with no platforms, also.
On other stages its mostly even.
Falco's lasers and combos make things tough with no platforms, also.
On other stages its mostly even.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
UmbreonMow made a thread on fox counters. It answer's your questions.
Falco&Victory
Smash Champion
Fox is a very straightforward character with very few weaknesses. His fastfalling is more of a strength than a weakness, but it is difficult to shorthop with him, and some people find SHFFLing hard.
3GOD
Smash Ace
His main weakness is his light weight. Also, he is edgeguarded relatively easily.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
Failure. You are edgeguarded relatively easily. Not fox. He's got tons of recovery options.
im2emo4myshrt
Smash Apprentice
umm i think jiggs doc and marth players would beg to disagree.
thebluedeath1000
Smash Champion
Fox's recovery isn't bad at all for the fact he has a fast horizontally recovery and the abilily to come in from below or at many angles...but a BIG strength is that if he ledgetechs from the up-b, he can over-b immediately then proceed with his counter ****.
Most characters don't have the luxury of that sort of option after ledgeteching.
Most characters don't have the luxury of that sort of option after ledgeteching.
im2emo4myshrt
Smash Apprentice
well it all depends on the type of fox you play. You could be a super aggressive shffling fox who relies mostly on foxes offensive abilities. Or you can play a shl fox who plays a more defensive controlling type game. Fox can be extremely offensive or extremely defensive.
lillight3
Smash Apprentice
Fox's Down B sucks compared to Zelda's
thebluedeath1000
Smash Champion
I suppose by sucks you mean COMPLETELY BLOODY PWNS
Lillight3, trolling here is not advised, It is illegal to say any other down b is better than foxes on these boards. go to the roy boards, they welcome it.
A down b that turns you into a **** isn't cool.
Lillight3, trolling here is not advised, It is illegal to say any other down b is better than foxes on these boards. go to the roy boards, they welcome it.
A down b that turns you into a **** isn't cool.
thebluedeath1000
Smash Champion
I wouldn't worry too much about it, you've probably got the best answers you can get out of this topic considering the much better topics made, like the counter thread scotu spoke of.
brawlpro
Smash Master
meh, it mite get locked since there is already a thread like this one...
takieddine
Smash Master
Fox IMO has no counters, and should be at least even with any given character.
That is not to say that a combination of a character+stage couldn't give him trouble, but fox still has an answer to anything.
That is not to say that a combination of a character+stage couldn't give him trouble, but fox still has an answer to anything.
brawlpro
Smash Master
except for when he gets grabbed by a marth lol, thats death 
, well i guess spamming uairs works wonders...so i agree with takieddine...fox for top tier in brawl!!!
, well i guess spamming uairs works wonders...so i agree with takieddine...fox for top tier in brawl!!!
Luck-NYC/NJ
Smash Lord
the answer is M2k.
brawlpro
Smash Master
m2k's the answer for anything...he never replies to any of my pms 
a smart guy!
a smart guy!
That's bacause their edgeguarding is too good.
Imo the only characters that fox has a hard time with are: Falco,Marth,Peach,Samus,Sheik,ICs and a good C.falcon shouldn't be understimated also any character that can CG fox basicly **** him those are the low tiers, for example roy, luigi, DK,Pika, etc. the rest is more likely in fox favor or it's just even so you've got to use your hands and your brain and that's all.
Bailey
Smash Hero
Fox ***** Marth on FD. WTF is a CG
brawlpro
Smash Master
one grab from a marth on fd and your dead bailey...
SCOTU
Smash Hero
I'm surprised to hear that from someone as reputable as you. We all know Marth's CG (chain grab) can wreck havoc to fox, but fox's combos are more devastating to marth on FD than anywhere else as well. In addition to his lasers being god. I'd still have to say that Marth's got the advantage on FD though, because of the CG, and the edgeguard (no platforms).
Raikou-
Smash Apprentice
Fox does better against Falco on FD than anywhere else IMO.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
This is true. Fox's grab combos own. If you can get a grab. If you check JFox's Counterpick guide, Fox has the advantage over Falco on FD.
takieddine
Smash Master
If you can't DI for crap, then yes the CG will **** you.
mix up your DI and you can be sure to shine out of it early.
Fox shouldn't get grabbed in the first place...
mix up your DI and you can be sure to shine out of it early.
Fox shouldn't get grabbed in the first place...
brawlpro
Smash Master
its not that hard to grab...shield grab..,
jamminjohn
Smash Ace
If you're playing someone with good spacing and cross ups it's hard to shield grab.
Fox's weaknesses are his light weight and that he's a fast faller (also a strength). Easy to combo and to knock back. Though his fast fall slightly helps his vertical survivability, it's still not that hard.
Fox's weaknesses are his light weight and that he's a fast faller (also a strength). Easy to combo and to knock back. Though his fast fall slightly helps his vertical survivability, it's still not that hard.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
Technically, marth should never be grabbed either then if that's the case. And any marth who's got a lot of practice can do a good number with CGs. M2K being the prime example, but there are lots of other marth's out there that can see which direction you're DIing then deal with it. It isn't entirely that hard.
Fox's weakness is that he shouldn't ever play against Mewtwo on FD. Can you say counterpick?!
brawlpro
Smash Master
uair also ***** mew2, unless he nairs...
Metà
Smash Master
This is the funniest thing I've seen all day.
brawlpro
Smash Master
lawl "yawn" wish i didn't skip school today...and tat dk theory's whack!
Read Cunningkitsune's Guide to playing with Fox. Basically, at a high enough technical level and with sufficient mindgames, Fox has an answer to most characters. Its really stage dependent as well. Some people may mention DK and Jiggs as counters, but I think with an appropriate change of style, Fox can easily handle those characters. Climbers are also mentioned, but I think the shine, uair, and bair can really mess up the Climbers. Fox's firefox recovery is pretty predictable, so its easy to edgeguard Fox. Also, some characters (like Marth) can **** Fox with changrabs. I would say that the characters I least like facing as Fox are a really good Marth, Peach, or Samus.
SCOTU
Smash Hero
true dat @ marth, peach, sheik. Jiggs can deal some good countering, but remember, on a change of stage, they might also be changing characters. A set is really about you vs them, not one character vs another.
Shiek is annoying to play (especially on Battlefield). Her needles really screw you over if you are thrown off the edge. However, shine combos totally **** Shiek along with Fox's u-air. Shiek, along with Falcon and Ganondorf are characters that I don't mind fighting as Fox. Obviously, you can't take anything for granted, but I think a good Fox has the advantage in those match-ups.
have you ever played a samus? lol
SCOTU
Smash Hero
Taken out of the winners bracket at a recent tourney by one. I then played friendlies with him for several hours afterard.