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You just tap B instead of holding it. Always do the input version. The up B version should be only for recovery tbh and even then it would still be a good idea to do the input in case someone's trying to gimp you. Does the air version have invincibility? I know for sure it's weaker.
Gameplan = get in and hope the opponent doesn't know they can conquer Ryu by out-spacing and defensive playing. Zoning is not an option. I will happily just sit there and practice my perfect shielding if Ryu's just going to throw fireballs. Ryu will have to be the one to be the one to take initiative vs most of the top tiers. And that's when the problem of Ryu not being a safe character (compared to those at the top) comes into play.
Hmm,talking about recovery. Ryu has four ways to mix it up.
Your summary of Ryu's gameplan is exactly why I dont take anything posted here seriously, his range is better than alot of characters actually.
What do you think is a good gameplan for Ryu? His range doesn't seem that great to me except for a few moves but his combo starters have slightly more or less range than Falcons jab which is already really short and all of his aerials make him freeze when hitting shields.
You can charge up your focus and dash out of it when you're close to the ground. It's virtually lagless. One of the best landing options in the game.
Completely serious question. When you get a jab how are you killing afterwards? Because when I can jab to Shoryu, but after like 0% it's pretty much impossible to land the sweetspot off a jab. Maybe im doing it wrong
From what I understand, its the weak dtilt that combos most readily into shoryu (and it has like nothing for knockback).
As of now playing footsie's is good but i clearly said on my last sentence: there's no high levelplayer.
Just press up b(and hold b for medium SRK) after the jab, its not hard at all.
Instead of being incredibly salty, you could tell me the moves he has with the great range that you speak of. We're just discussing. You don't need to act like such a baby. Also, I didn't say all of his moves had poor range but his combo starters did.
Dtilt has decent range and combos into things while keeping Ryu's profile low. Fsmash comes out quickly, causes Ryu to recoil on startup (ala Falcondorf) to avoid hits and then retaliate and its range is excellent (also, his foot is the sweetspot, at the maximum range of the move).
Hard Uptilt and Hard jab have pretty good range
Very nice and detailed post. I feel that Ryu will be a decent character personally unless they fix his problem with his aerials hitting shields, then I'm certain he'll be high tier(well, maybe...).
I mean, we'll still have to see, but I expect to see some pretty amazing breakaway Ryu players.
You are making a lot of assumptions. As evident here most people here seem to have studied ryu and obviously aren't just basing ryu off of "for glory tactics". Thats not to say everyone knows how to play ryu at his best (since its too early for that), but you can't just throw out stuff if you can't back it up. His range on his kill set-ups aren't that great. I want you to try to jab someone in the neutral for your last kill next time you use him. On a good opponent too. Its not impossible, but it requires a pretty solid read or just great spacing with its minimal range imo.
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And ultimately, that's not going to stop people.
You play the character and you own the game, i don't need to spoon feed you basic visual info on Ryu's moveset. Its ironic that you think im acting like a baby when you're sitting there expecting basic info to be spoon fed. Don't get it twisted.
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Ryu is only difficult if you never played SF tbh, or you approach him with the wrong mindset but that goes for other characters too.
yeah someone on another thread reminded me the Utility of Strong Neutral. Although this will only work near the ledges at around 110, it kills mario at 120 near the ledge of FD with no rage or Freshness, it still would work as a good safe kill option, at the very least we get 10 damage plus them offstage.
It's been 4 Days. People thought Bowser and Lil mac were OP in the beginning because we didn't know how to deal with them. Give everyone some time Ryu is the most unique character in smash.
The way he is designed looks like a homage to DF throws where you could have setups, like cross up,vortex, etc. That being said his throws all do respectable damage, add in pummeling for more. Although it would be nice to have some guaranteed set ups after throw
Even though at higher level play the opponent will watch out for comboable attacks. Watch any high level match when the opponent is within kill percent they will try to put themselves in as a little danger as possible. This includes out ranging the opponent. on top of that other characters have larger jabs, tilts, smashes, etc. They can siply start tilting to bypass Ryu's short jab,tilt combo starters. If anything if you said a sourspotted Nair > shoryuken than maybe as it has a good sized hitbox and enough active frames to be a threat. If Ryu was as fast as Captain falcon than getting th jabs would be easier...but he's not.
There is a reason why i mentioned using FA and them using eg. forward smash or dash attack together. Because if you "tank" their FS, you definitly will be able to hit a level 2 or three (if they have a single-hit FS, that is) FA. Of course, if you get FS'd by eg. a Link or Pit, you propably will either get KB'd or have to release the FA before stage 2 depending on timing. Which is why i said "depending on the opponent".
still a risk if you want to do that and eat the damage then ok. No smart player uses dash attack unless they know it's a safe attack or if they are going for a quick punish. If you are reading a smash attack fine although that is easier said than done.
You are being a baby. You're getting all salty and assuming we're just basing our knowledge off of for glory Ryu's and basically acting like we're all idiots. I'm not asking to be spoon fed. I'm wanting you to elaborate instead of just saying "muh you're wrong he has gud range". He has decent range on some other moves that don't lead into anything or they're unsafe on shield. His moves being fast don't completely make up for them having small range. It's also harder for him to get in with aerials with small range that freeze on contact with shields. His range really isn't anything special except for on 2 of his smashes and his strong A which doesn't follow up into anything.You play the character and you own the game, i don't need to spoon feed you basic visual info on Ryu's moveset. Its ironic that you think im acting like a baby when you're sitting there expecting basic info to be spoon fed. Don't get it twisted.
His light dtilt has slightly better range than Falcons jab, his heavy utilt has better range and covers sh approaches. Heck i could include his FA but im guessing you're not including specials. Despite his 'poor' range his combo startes come out at frame 3 and 4.
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Yeah I wouldn't listen to what this guy says. Very little, if anything, he has said has been useful in developing a meta for Ryu. He claims his weak jab,utilt, dtilt is all you need but the range is bad and any player worth their salt will make sure to stay away from Ryu when at those percents.
Exactly. He says we're basing our knowledge off of "FG Ryus" but acts as if Ryu just needs to jab/dtilt you to win despite the obvious range weakness.
Im not so sure about the zoning. if it's shieks needles yeah but other projectiles seem to be beaten out by tatsu, it also seems to have guarding effect when using the input. Testing for the latter is very weird but there are some attacks that should have beaten it but fail to do so. We'll need to test the nuances of Ryu's tatsu, among other skills.
The only thing Ryu will really have trouble with is getting in, but unlike LM, Bowser and numerous other characters that have trouble with zoning opponents, Ryu at least has a projectile he can use to apply some counter pressure.
Shoryuken comes out on frame 6-7, depends on which version. This is awesome for a kill move as it also has I-frames from anywhere from as early as frame 2 and lasts till as late as frame 9, at this point the attack is executed. However because of how predictable you fall after a shoryuken that + the, minimum, landing lag means anyone can punish with their best options. Any attack will be able to punish Ryu on whiff or shield. His spike is indeed really well, for the angle is launches at, at the sweet spot, and the gimping power of the sour spot. FA's might be good if they are used and you are knowingly going to get punished, such as an obvious get up attempt from the ledge.
True, and also, his Fsmash is all around very good: it's quick, powerful, with good range, and also ends fairly fast, making it not a super risky option to throw out, especially when you're trying to read rolls.
Yeah it's essentially like Falcons but comes out faster and has less amount of recovery. Distance launch is somewhat comparable as well. When sweetspotted it seems to be safe on most of the cast, just look out for rollers we have no option to cover our backs.
