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Do The Mario(A Mario SSBB Combo Video)

Percon

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I actually didn't mind that this was really long.

The differing playstyles made it not get boring. I loved the lightning-fast cape gimps, especially.

My only complaint is that the low-quality (video-wise) clips stick out like a sore thumb.
 

Psychoace

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Haven't watched yet but I know it'll be good


p.s. Swing your arms from side to side come on it's time to go do the MARIO! Take one step and then again...yeah
 

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Ok, let's do this! I'm feeling alone on the boards right now, so let's do a video critique!

The whole first minute or so was just you one-shoting people. While it may be cool or fit with the music (sorry, no speakers right now if there was cool music), I would appreciate it if there were at least two hits per clip :S

Once again, the same issue I always seem to have with these videos is highly present in yours. During any of the Bair or Uair consecutive hits, had they dodged at any point in that, they would have escaped. When they have time to attempt their mid-air jump or up B, they had time to preform the air dodge. Also, some of the time, you started to charge a Fsmash or Usmash, and the people just gladly walked into it and said, "See you next stock!" I don't find that impressive, whether comical or not.

Plus, every time someone is off the edge and you chase after them, do they assume you are going to help them back? There are two things that Mario will most likely do, as shown by your video, when he chases off the stage. A) He will cape you. B) He will spike you or at least hit you with the Fair. In both cases, the move is preformed directly on Mario. It's not on the edge of a sword or a projectile. If Mario is going off the stage, AVOID HIM! People just saw you coming and did NOTHING. They didn't even DI away or fall faster!

While the Flud parts were kinda funny, I fail to see how that is a "combo." Additionally, had certain recoveries been used better by going lower and using Brawl's ridiculous grab range, they would have survived. I know people make mistakes, but by choosing to go above the stage every time is not only predictable, but highly punishable. It is generally a good idea to come from below, at least in this instance.

I was also sad to see that some of the time, in maybe 10-15 clips, that certain opponents were just spamming moves in hopes of you hitting them. I'm guessing they were getting hurt bad and decided to just go button happy? I honestly don't know.

It was entertaining, and I was able to sit through the whole thing :D I figure you have a pretty beastly Mario, but I still think that there needs to be more potential unlocked before a true combo video can be made. Keep working, I'm sure you will do well in the tourney scene.
 

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i wont talk **** about mario any more..
But i've always liked mario hes small and fast
 

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Corey I'm not sure if your aware of this or not...there actually are some moves in this game that can combo...Mario's Uair is one of said moves...there are alot of characters that can't get out of multiple Uair->bair combos...and for the ones that can get out can get combo'd from below platforms

for the intro part...I'm pretty sure it was just that....an intro...if you look closely I'm sure you can see how it goes through a list of twelve different names

Thanks for the input guys
 

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doesn't know what he's talking about...

Corey.. Most of these oponents fought 100%. if they could get out of a combo they would have.

And what the hell? why would i show the oponents expecting the edgeguard and going low?

in a real match that happens often. but this is about Mario, not the oponent. makes sense..
 

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I'm glad Mario's uair actually has enough hitstun to combo.

I couldn't sit through the whole thing, but I made it to 5 minutes and it was fun to watch up to that point.

THIS POST IS A COMPLIMENT. I can't watch any combo vids for more than 5 minutes most of the time.
 

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Yeah, something I find with a lot of combo videos is that they're too long. This one would be an exception for me, since I've never seen a Mario combo video and there are a lot of different players.
 

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Well, I can mark off Mario as a character I used to not respect, along with Yoshi, Ike, and Ganondorf. I cant help but respect the Mario users of SWF, they turned what looked like a nerfed character into someone that I could watch a 10 minute combo vid about. Great job on the editing and what not, and I loved the music. Learned a thing or 2 about the uair too... wont be getting hit by that if I can help it.

Edit: Corey is what people round here call, a hater... I suggest you ignore his negativity, the vid was awesome, and combo vids are supposed to be about when people mess up and you make them pay for it. No one makes a vid about how they almost had a combo but their opponent DI'ed outta it... wouldnt be very entertaining would it? And thats what combo vids are for... entertainment... geez, let the people enjoy their work and the result.
 

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Well, I can mark off Mario as a character I used to not respect, along with Yoshi, Ike, and Ganondorf. I cant help but respect the Mario users of SWF, they turned what looked like a nerfed character into someone that I could watch a 10 minute combo vid about. Great job on the editing and what not, and I loved the music. Learned a thing or 2 about the uair too... wont be getting hit by that if I can help it.

Edit: Corey is what people round here call, a hater... I suggest you ignore his negativity, the vid was awesome, and combo vids are supposed to be about when people mess up and you make them pay for it. No one makes a vid about how they almost had a combo but their opponent DI'ed outta it... wouldnt be very entertaining would it? And thats what combo vids are for... entertainment... geez, let the people enjoy their work and the result.
THX ^_^ I'm glad u have a second opinion about Mario
 

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Awesome video. I almost cried when I was the uair blind into fair (I forget what part of the video) The music was REALLY good, especially the second song since it brings back memories for me. Favorited, 5/5.
 

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Edit: Corey is what people round here call, a hater... I suggest you ignore his negativity
Wow, you people are turly *****. I was as polite as I could in this video. In any other thread, I called the person out, told them they were playing ******* or the equivalent, and told them to avoid making videos until they learn how to do it right, or anything along those lines.

If you people have the inability to look at a video and see any form of negativity, then you have no reason to discuss it. If you are afraid to say something, then don't mock those with the balls to do so. If you see no problem at all with any video, then you aren't looking at all. A lot of that was unimpressive to me, so I told him that and why. Is that wrong? I'm evidentially a "hater" because I'm not applauding a video I didn't completely enjoy.

I also guess you guys completely disregarded the last paragraph where I said it was still a good video and that he has a good Mario. I sense that because you were raging over my negative comments, you overlooked that. Go back to that post, look for yourself! In the end, it's you guys who are the haters and flamers. You have no negative thoughts except for those who openly express their distaste in the videos on these boards. I told him what I thoughts was bad, so he could fix it. All you re doing is patting him on the back and kicking me in the nuts.

If you guys are done being *****es now, I think there are more videos to watch.
 

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coreygames is a random scrub? If someone with 2k+ posts and a 2006 join date says something, at least call them a ******* instead of a "random scrub"

But um, I liked how the beginning of the video had footage of Luffy v Lucci (I think) and Sanji v. Wanze.
 

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coreygames is a random scrub? If someone with 2k+ posts and a 2006 join date says something, at least call them a ******* instead of a "random scrub"

But um, I liked how the beginning of the video had footage of Luffy v Lucci (I think) and Sanji v. Wanze.
yeah, im quite an anime fan ^_^
 

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Wow, you people are turly *****. I was as polite as I could in this video. In any other thread, I called the person out, told them they were playing ******* or the equivalent, and told them to avoid making videos until they learn how to do it right, or anything along those lines.

If you people have the inability to look at a video and see any form of negativity, then you have no reason to discuss it. If you are afraid to say something, then don't mock those with the balls to do so. If you see no problem at all with any video, then you aren't looking at all. A lot of that was unimpressive to me, so I told him that and why. Is that wrong? I'm evidentially a "hater" because I'm not applauding a video I didn't completely enjoy.

I also guess you guys completely disregarded the last paragraph where I said it was still a good video and that he has a good Mario. I sense that because you were raging over my negative comments, you overlooked that. Go back to that post, look for yourself! In the end, it's you guys who are the haters and flamers. You have no negative thoughts except for those who openly express their distaste in the videos on these boards. I told him what I thoughts was bad, so he could fix it. All you re doing is patting him on the back and kicking me in the nuts.

If you guys are done being *****es now, I think there are more videos to watch.
Dude,Iam gonna say this in a nice way.You get respect when you give it,otherwise we blow up just like you are right now.Especially when you post stuff without knowing whats "in between the lines"what else do you expect really?Let me re cap on the few mistakes thats was stated by the others to you on why they were present here.

1st,In case you still dont know,U-airs/B-airs give a stun that allows Mario to combo.Yes by God,you can string in Brawl with Mario.

2nd,I didnt know combo related to the word "tournament fight":dizzy: If it did,we'd sure see lots of Snake's and Pit's.Who in the hell watches for DI+ technicalgizzmos up the a$$ in a combo video when its intention is for watching?

3rd For the 3rd time,this was done by 12 different cast members including myself.Theres no way in holy hell we all gonna end up playing the same way.THERE ARE STYLES THAT GONNA BE DIFFERENT.Some liked more than others,but guess what? even those that less favored will be like by someone else. :lick:

4th I believe this is Bo X7's like what? 1st video of this magntude of people,and you except from your post a "Ken-like combo" video? Only think I see you said thats right is Getting the $#%@ out and seeing a video that better suiting your needs :)
 

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Ok, let's do this! I'm feeling alone on the boards right now, so let's do a video critique!

The whole first minute or so was just you one-shoting people. While it may be cool or fit with the music (sorry, no speakers right now if there was cool music), I would appreciate it if there were at least two hits per clip :S

Once again, the same issue I always seem to have with these videos is highly present in yours. During any of the Bair or Uair consecutive hits, had they dodged at any point in that, they would have escaped. When they have time to attempt their mid-air jump or up B, they had time to preform the air dodge. Also, some of the time, you started to charge a Fsmash or Usmash, and the people just gladly walked into it and said, "See you next stock!" I don't find that impressive, whether comical or not.

Plus, every time someone is off the edge and you chase after them, do they assume you are going to help them back? There are two things that Mario will most likely do, as shown by your video, when he chases off the stage. A) He will cape you. B) He will spike you or at least hit you with the Fair. In both cases, the move is preformed directly on Mario. It's not on the edge of a sword or a projectile. If Mario is going off the stage, AVOID HIM! People just saw you coming and did NOTHING. They didn't even DI away or fall faster!

While the Flud parts were kinda funny, I fail to see how that is a "combo." Additionally, had certain recoveries been used better by going lower and using Brawl's ridiculous grab range, they would have survived. I know people make mistakes, but by choosing to go above the stage every time is not only predictable, but highly punishable. It is generally a good idea to come from below, at least in this instance.

I was also sad to see that some of the time, in maybe 10-15 clips, that certain opponents were just spamming moves in hopes of you hitting them. I'm guessing they were getting hurt bad and decided to just go button happy? I honestly don't know.

It was entertaining, and I was able to sit through the whole thing :D I figure you have a pretty beastly Mario, but I still think that there needs to be more potential unlocked before a true combo video can be made. Keep working, I'm sure you will do well in the tourney scene.

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Ok, let's do this! I'm feeling alone on the boards right now, so let's do a critiqing of this guy's ridiculous post.

Corey, the point that they're trying to get across though is that you obviously don't know how Mario works. Like....at all.... and it's extreeeemely evident to people who actually play Mario.

Upair actually does combo some characters and is the kind of move that puts people in a really bad place when they get hit by one while you are off the stage or diagonal to him. Off stage you aren't going to DI away if you know your recovery isn't godly and you are DEFNITELY not going to airdodge while you're anywhere under the ledge with the majority of the cast.

And in the case of diagonally, you could DI the upair upwards and you won't get hit by more than two, but doing so pops you more upward and at this time Mario will land and go in for more. Now if you airdodge a upair there is enough time for Mario to hit with another and the horror continues. The biggest reason people got hit by so many is that this is a game that at any given moment there is a certain number of things you could do. Sure they could have airdodged instead of trying to midair jump away or UpB, but they didn't, it doesn't make them stupid it just means they're not mind readers and know what they're opponent wants to go for a stronger move or a juggler like Uair. Of course they could of DI'd out, its Brawl.... instead its impressive because they trick they're opponents into juggling them for so long.

And about the charged smashes.. they were not noobishly and randomly done, they gracefully tricked they're opponent into airdodging or doing a move early or late and mindgamed them into the move.

Also.... Dude.... I don't know if it's that you are too use to Pit or whatever, but when most people are at a certain point off the stage, they tend to not want to DI away or fall faster. And in the case that they a bit closer to the stage.. how are they going to know WHEN Mario is going to lunge his italian a$s toward them. People aren't perfect.

"by choosing to go above the stage every time" LOL, reading this seriously made me laugh. You do realize that you're watching a combo video right? A video of clips from matches. Not a real match going on over the 10 mins. That's not them choosing it everytime, they eventually do need to not recover low because it's basically signalling the Mario to come ledgehog more.

At no point did I ever see people "spamming moves" because they were in some mad panic. People miss predict where Mario will be next and moves are missed, things like these happen in battles all the time and combo videos are just pieces of fighting footage taken out and put together.

It was entertaining, and I was able to sit through the whole thing :D I figure you have a pretty beastly Mario, but I still think that there needs to be more potential unlocked before a true combo video can be made. Keep working, I'm sure you will do well in the tourney scene.
After I read this last exert it assured my wanting to crique your absolute trash heap of a post(no offense to you but seriously, that was a trash heap post).

This was not one person. It was almost every single well known and top Mario mains on smashboards. This IS the highest form metagame Mario there is as of now.

And your dislike for the first minute means you just don't like intros and I guess that is the one thing that is actually your opinion, but I'm sorry everything else made me want to rip out my own pubic hair and eat it in salad.

I'll give this post a 0/10
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I've tried to be as non-offensive in this critique of your post as I could. But since I, as you could see, countered almost every single remark you made I thought it was fairly reasonable for a couple of people to call you a scrub or a hater even though it might of been harsh of them(might of not been you decide). Tons of other vids you might have a little floor to stand on for your low critique, but this video deserves FAAAAR from that.


And about the video... it was so jam packed of mindgames and great edgegaurds that it literally had me fully glued in awe at my monitor for 10 minutes without noticing. It was absolutely great. 10/10. It is possibly one of the most entertaining Brawl videos I've seen to date of any kind (yes even actual great matches) to date. And the fact that it was multiple people made it feel like more of a joined effort and made seeing the jump of playstyles according to the person playing very very fun to watch. Also the music was aweoms in my opinion. Friggin awesome video you made there. Loved it.
 

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Dude,Iam gonna say this in a nice way.You get respect when you give it,otherwise we blow up just like you are right now.Especially when you post stuff without knowing whats "in between the lines"what else do you expect really?Let me re cap on the few mistakes thats was stated by the others on why they were some errors on the video.
Well it's not like respect has been mutual at all. I go into threads that say "combo" on the front just to be boldly lied to. I was telling him what I saw wrong in the video, and for that I am getting flamed. No video is perfect, because no game is perfect. I can go to any Melee video and point out things wrong with them too, but right now I'm doing it with Brawl. You want discussion, I'm giving it to you. If you want to flame me, do it in a way that I can respond, like counteracting my points, not saying I'm a n00b or just a whiny ***.

1st,In case you still dont know,U-airs/B-airs give a stun that allows Mario to combo.Yes by God,you can string in Brawl with Mario.
No. In almost every case in that video, the person had the ability to use their mid-air jump. However, you don't move fast enough out of it to stop from getting hit by the next move, so you continue to get hit. This tells me there is short enough hitlag that there was time to air dodge. If they had done that, it would have ended the consecutive hits and possibly enabled them to recover.

2nd,I didnt know combo related to the word "tournament fight":dizzy: If it did,we'd sure see lots of Snake's and Pit's.Who in the hell watches for DI+ technicalgizzmos up the a$$ in a combo video when its intention is for watching?
Uh... I do. If I'm going to watch a video, I want to be entertained. If I wanted to sit back and watch Mario beat someone up for 10 minutes, I would set a lvl 9 Mario up against a lvl 1 Yoshi. I would get the same out of it and wouldn't have to be online to do it! I want someone to impress me, and that, ultimately, is the point in posting your video here. You want to show off or get help. If you aren't doing either, you need to get out.

3rd For the 3rd time,this was done by 12 different cast members including myself.Theres no way in holy hell we all gonna end up playing the same way.THERE ARE STYLES THAT GONNA BE DIFFERENT.Some liked more than others,but guess what? even those that less favored will be like by someone else. :lick:
I have no clue what this has to do with anything. Unless you are saying that your style of play dictates how much hitstun you get from an attack. If that were true, then I would shoot myself. I don't care who you are, when you get hit and you have the option to dodge getting hit while off the level or taking it to the face, you should go with dodging. It should be your style to let yourself die. That's dumb.

4th I believe this is Bo X7 like what? 1st video of this magntude of people,and you except from your post a "Ken-like combo" video? Only think I see you say thats right is Getting the $#%@ out and seeing a video that better suiting your needs :)
did I say I wanted a Ken combo? No. I don't need to see 0 to death combos. All I want is for someone to show a video that has intelligence against them. Not people running into fully charged attacks, not letting themselves get edge guarded easily, not spamming moves in hopes of hitting someone randomly, not teching, not mindgaming, etc. I want to see someone trying their best and still getting pounded in the face. That's a good video. Someone getting a Fair, teching into the ground, and then getting tech chase into a Fsmash. that would be awesome.

Now look, I can run in circles all day about how this video. It didn't suck. It just wasn't that impressive in my opinion. If you can't reasonably argue against me without flaming, then who am I not to flame back :p

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Uhh... another post before I finished that one? Did someone call up a phone tree of their crew and *****ed to them about how some guy wasn't giving a hand-job to them for making a "meh" video in his opinion? No, you didn't refute nearly any of my points, and no, I really don't feal like counter pointing you. If you really want me to, I will, but I get the feeling you aren't looking for answers, all you want to do is participate in this festive flame war.
 

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Cory you do realize that those string of attacks the Marios are doing in those clips aren't done at every second of a real battle right? It's combo video, lol.

And in case you didn't realize, this is Brawl not melee, a combo video has a totally different meaning. There are only just a couple of real combos in brawl (look up the "All Real Brawl Combos" thread on tactics discussion. Practically EVERYTHING could be DI'd or airdodged out of.

How do you even think that during the course of all those Marios playing different well known players all around the nation that those opponents are stupid enough to get hit so many times. People mistime things once in a while, sometimes they try double jumping or attacking and get stunned instead of airdodging. It's not like they are ALWAYS making the same decision. This even goes for all Melee combo videos where you see a combo that does 60% or more, it could of been DI'd from but no one is psychic and doesn't get caught in crap every once in a while.



Seriously Corey, I see you have a good amount of posts on you so you know a good amount, but just know that seeing how mindlessly your replying and arguing in this thread has permanently made me lose any and all respect for you. You're really like the worst poster over 400replys that I ever seen on smashboards and I've been around just as long as you have. You're making yourself sound absolutely stupid and I hope its because its late and your tired.
 

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Seriously Corey, I see you have a good amount of posts on you so you know a good amount, but just know that seeing how mindlessly your replying and arguing in this thread has permanently made me lose any and all respect for you. You're really like the worst poster over 400replys that I ever seen on smashboards and I've been around just as long as you have. You're making yourself sound absolutely stupid.
I'm not here for hugs and kisses. If you respected me before and now you don't, that really doesn't matter to me. I didn't know you when you did, if you did, and I still don't know you now. I'm not mindlessly replying, I'm noting what I think and I'm sticking with it, backing it up with my experience, examples, and thoughts as to how to do things differently.

the only way I could make myself sound absolutely stupid is if I were to call specific people out of a thread, call them an idiot, call them stupid, inult their ability to think, etc. That would make me look dumb. What I am doing is making a claim, within the context of the place it belongs, and defending it. If that's not conducive to a discussion board, I don't know what is.
 

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But how could you possibly expect everyone to DI out of Mario's moves every single little time and not get mindgamed at any single second. How during your experience could you think that this kind of crap doesn't happen. You OBVIOUSLY know nothing about Mario in Brawl.

That poster above you makes you sound even stupider too. Why aren't you arguing with the people who are calling out your horrible points instead of people taking stabs at you as a person? Im not here for hugs in kisses either, so I'm gladly telling you that you're stupid or just know nothing about high end Mario players.

You are contributing to the discussion boards, but your contribution is a huge sack of crap said politely. Polite bullcrap is still bullcrap, now instead of sounding like you know what you're talking about just leave the thread.
 

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I said that I didn't want to respond to that poster above me because I had just made that one huge post against the other guy. If he wants a response, then I will give it to him, in public for everyone to see. However, I feel the rest of my posts can cover exactly what he said, and anything I say will just be a reiteration of what was posted earlier.

Plus, I think this entire thread has begun to focus way too much on me. I intended to say my two cents and move on like I always do, but some people just like to take ti too far. I like it when someone responds to me, it gives me a chance to take my claim and go into details about what they disagree with. It makes both of us look better, and generally adds to the depth of the discussion. that is not what is happening here. What is going on is that my negative natured post has completely taken over this entire thread, something that the OP probably doesn't like. I know that if there was a discussion going on in my thread that keeps from the original point, I would politely ask them to stop. I don't want to continue this, but you seem pretty adamant on doing so.

I'm contributing to the boards. I'm giving help in the way that I do. By the way, what have you done in this thread? Have you even watched the video? Did you say one thing, positive or negative, about it? No. Yuo have posted more useless crap in this thread than any parts of mine combined. If you have a problem with me, fine. Leave a message on my profile so people know you hate me. Otherwise, leave this discussion about a Mario combo video that I thought was entertaining, but didn't do justice to the title "Combo Video." If that's all, please go away.
 

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I said that I didn't want to respond to that poster above me because I had just made that one huge post against the other guy. If he wants a response, then I will give it to him, in public for everyone to see. However, I feel the rest of my posts can cover exactly what he said, and anything I say will just be a reiteration of what was posted earlier.

I like it when someone responds to me, it gives me a chance to take my claim and go into details about what they disagree with.
I'd like if you could quote any part of what I said and give reasonable counters to them. I don't see how you'd go about doing so(not being sarcastic).
 

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Corey, the point that they're trying to get across though is that you obviously don't know how Mario works. Like....at all.... and it's extreeeemely evident to people who actually play Mario.
This is kinda mostly true. I haven't played a great Mario player in Brawl. there just isn't anyone near me who mains him. However, in my experience of playing this game AND Melee, I could tell that those people were making mistakes that should not have been made. Perhaps I've just been pampered by AZ smash, where we play at a very high level, but some things in that video should not have happened, even if I have no clue how Mario plays at the "top of his meta."

Upair actually does combo some characters and is the kind of move that puts people in a really bad place when they get hit by one while you are off the stage or diagonal to him. Off stage you aren't going to DI away if you know your recovery isn't godly and you are DEFINITELY not going to airdodge while you're anywhere under the ledge with the majority of the cast.
Yes, I understand that many characters don't have the best of recoveries; it happens. However, doing NOTHING top avoid getting hit isn't going to do anything either. It's better to take a risk on recovering than to let the assured death take you down. We may not make the best decisions every time, we aren't robots, but there are fundamental things that are easy for any person to follow through with very consistently, like attempting to avoid getting hit.

And in the case of diagonally, you could DI the upair upwards and you won't get hit by more than two, but doing so pops you more upward and at this time Mario will land and go in for more. Now if you airdodge a upair there is enough time for Mario to hit with another and the horror continues. The biggest reason people got hit by so many is that this is a game that at any given moment there is a certain number of things you could do. Sure they could have airdodged instead of trying to midair jump away or UpB, but they didn't, it doesn't make them stupid it just means they're not mind readers and know what they're opponent wants to go for a stronger move or a juggler like Uair. Of course they could of DI'd out, its Brawl.... instead its impressive because they trick they're opponents into juggling them for so long.
As for the underlined part:
Yes, you can airdodge it. It would have gotten people out of the chain, or, at the very least, messed up his spacing/timing. Any of these options are obviously better than just trying to tank the moves. You are saying it like had they done anything, they would have continued to get hit, and I know that that is just not true. They could have dodged, landed using those invincibility frames, got their shield up, and then grabbed. Just as a small example.

As for the bold part:
I don't think it's mind games if you have been getting hit by the same move for the passed 5 hits. By then, you should see another one coming, or at least another move. They aren't stupid, they just aren't thinking correctly. They needed to do something different. If what they are doing now isn't working, then you change things up. It's only logical, and that's why I don't get why they continued to get juggled off the stage instead of attempting anything beyond their mid-air jumps.

And about the charged smashes.. they were not noobishly and randomly done, they gracefully tricked they're opponent into airdodging or doing a move early or late and mindgamed them into the move.
Uh... no. there is a very, very fine line between being tricky and being lucky. The one clip that sticks out in my mind most was when a Link recovered and the Mario began an Usmash. The link ledge-hopped up and over the Mario, clearing him. For some reason though, he DIed back towards him and just got hit. Perhaps he messed up his own spacing, expecting to hit him with a Dair but it came out too late. But, at least in that case, it had nothing to do with mindgames. It was actually very embarrassing to see Link do that.

Also.... Dude.... I don't know if it's that you are too use to Pit or whatever, but when most people are at a certain point off the stage, they tend to not want to DI away or fall faster. And in the case that they a bit closer to the stage.. how are they going to know WHEN Mario is going to lunge his italian a$s toward them. People aren't perfect.
Also... Dude... when people are off the stage, they tend to not want to DIE! I think it is safe to assume that when you are off the level, the person still on is going to try to keep you off. That means they are going to spam projectiles, edge hog, edge guard, or go out to you. Anyway, they are going to do something. If you are coming in low already, then use your recovery early, or at the first signs of their movement. Mix it up. Obviously, I didn't see how those people recovered each and every time they did, but floating back and not doing anything when he approaches you is also not good. I'm not sure if you know, but Pit's recovery on his Up B can be gimped very easily. I have to try very hard to make it back without getting hit, and that involves, very much, the use of dodging attacks and spam, even if it puts me at risk of killing myself. It's better than the alternative!

"by choosing to go above the stage every time" LOL, reading this seriously made me laugh. You do realize that you're watching a combo video right? A video of clips from matches. Not a real match going on over the 10 mins. That's not them choosing it every time, they eventually do need to not recover low because it's basically signaling the Mario to come ledgehog more.
I'm not sure why matches would ever go beyond 10 min, I thought the tournament standard was set to 8... but that's beside the point. The point is that When Mario has the Flud charged up, it shows. He glows and, most of the time, still has the Flud out. If that's the case, then you shouldn't do something that puts you right in its line of fire. That is just unbelievable that you would defend that. Yes, people make mistakes, but it was clear that they were trying to get back on stage by going over, not TO the ledge (except for that Ganon, I think he was truly gimped).

At no point did I ever see people "spamming moves" because they were in some mad panic. People miss predict where Mario will be next and moves are missed, things like these happen in battles all the time and combo videos are just pieces of fighting footage taken out and put together.
Yes, I know people miss. I also know that some people like to throw moves out in an attempt to get the perfect spacing and to keep their opponents at bay. Those are both feasible in a match. however, some of those moves were just completely out there. I would have to watch the video again to get the exact examples I'm looking for, but the one I remember most was the clip of a Luigi getting kicked around, and, when he finally broke free, he went to the far right side of the stage and started doing random moves under a platform! I guess he thought that those moves would overpower Mario's and he could get a chance to do what Mario was doing earlier, but that just didn't happen.

There was also the one clip of the Sonic who, I guess, thought CC'ing was still in Brawl. All he was doing was crouching over and taking hit after hit after hit! I'm not sure if he just got frustrated, panicked, or what, but after the first few hits, he should have thought to do something else...

After I read this last exert it assured my wanting to crique your absolute trash heap of a post(no offense to you but seriously, that was a trash heap post).
Ok, I'll make sure not to complement people in their videos anymore...

This was not one person. It was almost every single well known and top Mario mains on smashboards. This IS the highest form metagame Mario there is as of now.
And I hope that the meta continues to grow. I'm not satisfied with it right now. So what? Change my mind.

And your dislike for the first minute means you just don't like intros and I guess that is the one thing that is actually your opinion, but I'm sorry everything else made me want to rip out my own pubic hair and eat it in salad.
I think I said in that post that I would hope I understand it if I had speakers, because I don't have them on the computers at school where I am at this very moment. I'm sure it went along with the music and was very cute, but It was really just him Fsmashing people over and over again. That's all. I really don't even care about that point, I just wished there would have been more to it than that. At least there wasn't the 30 second long intros that people just love to throw on the front of their videos, illistrating their professional MSPaint and Movie Editor skills.

I'll give this post a 0/10
I give yours a 5/10. While I think that you actually tried to make points against me instead of just saying I'm dumb, I don't think you fully understand Brawl like you think you do.
 

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I give yours a 5/10. While I think that you actually tried to make points against me instead of just saying I'm dumb, I don't think you fully understand Brawl like you think you do.
Well currently I'm ranked 4th in NJ and have the best Wario in NJ according to recent tournys. I think you should play one of these Marios on wifi. Setup a match or something to grasp the situations these opponents are under


I'm done debating though I should be working right now :laugh:
 
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