DLC, yes or no?

[kisamefishfries]

Simple enough. Should there be DLC? Should it be DLC you have to pay for? Or should it all be free. Also, what would you like to see as DLC? Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing DLC event matches. Its simple enough to be free, and they could add a real challenge to the game. Other dlc I'd like is new character models/costumes. Possibly new fighters and stages. Id prefer there to not be any downloadable fighters though, stages sounds fine.

 

[Neanderthal]

Yes.

DLC to balance movesets and fix bugs should be free.

DLC to aquire new content (characters, stages, events) should cost a small fee each time.
It's the only way they are going to have incentive to keep giving us new content for when we get bored.

 

[Angiance]

Not everyone has the money to afford the internet; no DLC (except new character costumes, since it's not game breaking or anything)

 

[Gingerbread Man]

I guess this is a nice place to bring this up. I've heard something interesting concerning day 1 DLC. I've always been against it, I hate when developers abuse it, and I love that Nintendo has a friendly policy on the controversy.

but...
Apparently with every game with a major publisher like nintendo, they have this system where once a game is marked as finished its taken away to be inspected and essentially receive the seal of approval before hitting the market. This is usually a period of 6-8 weeks.
Obviously you can't just leave your staff and designers laying around doing nothing and you can't just temporarily lay them all off and invite them back. So during this period they usually begin working on the next project or the more recent idea has come around to use this period for designing DLC. This is often where we get day one DLC from.

I think you can see where I'm going with this. What do you think about this situation in relation to Sakurai/Namco.

 

[Dark Phazon]

I guess this is a nice place to bring this up. I've heard something interesting concerning day 1 DLC. I've always been against it, I hate when developers abuse it, and I love that Nintendo has a friendly policy on the controversy.

but...
Apparently with every game with a major publisher like nintendo, they have this system where once a game is marked as finished its taken away to be inspected and essentially receive the seal of approval before hitting the market. This is usually a period of 6-8 weeks.
Obviously you can't just leave your staff and designers laying around doing nothing and you can't just temporarily lay them all off and invite them back. So during this period they usually begin working on the next project or the more recent idea has come around to use this period for designing DLC. This is often where we get day one DLC from.

I think you can see where I'm going with this. What do you think about this situation in relation to Sakurai/Namco.

I will buy it.

Call me what you like Smash is a series i love to bits and it roles around bloody every 5+ years...

 

[finalark]

No.

I would rather not have to spend money after I spent money.

 

[Black Mantis]

As long as they don't go the Capcom route then DLC would be acceptable to say the least.

 

[RomanceDawn]

Don't buy the DLC if you don't want to. Quit being selfish and allow the people who want it to buy it. If you can't afford what will most likely be only a few dollars for what ever DLC pack we will be getting, you probably didn't buy the game and the system in the first place. In that case ask the original buyer for the extras.

 

[finalark]

I'm sorry if I'm opposed to companies cutting content or working on DLC that could easily be in the game just for the sake of having DLC.

****, if Nintendo does DLC for Smash 4 I'll probably just wait until the Game of the Year edition comes out so that way I don't have to spend $60 + $1-5 per character or $1-5 per stage or whatever. Jesus, I miss the days when DLC was either free or when all you had to do was buy the ****ing game and you got everything with it meaning that companies couldn't skimp on content to nickle and dime their audience for it later.

 

[RomanceDawn]

Again, let the people who want it, get it. Continue to vote with your wallet. So far Nintendo has done DLC right. Either a nice selection of stages that come out a little while after the games release or another full on games worth of content. What's been released for the Nintendo 3DS has been totally fair and Super Luigi U is just outrageously generous and I'm expecting that to cost around $20-$30.

If Nintendo Capcoms us, then yeah I say get mad but so far they haven't given any indication that everything is already on the games kart or disc and all we do is unlock it.

And good luck with that game of the year/special addition. This is a Nintendo game we're talking about.

 

[finalark]

We'll see. I haven't had any experience with how Nintendo handles DLC but I am very against it due to my past experiences.

 

[Dark Phazon]

CoD DLC is bad Smash isnt...

 

[finalark]

CoD DLC is bad Smash isnt...

We haven't seen how Nintendo may or may not handle potential Smash DLC.

And I was referring more to Capcom and EA, I'm not really a CoD fan.

 

[Dark Phazon]

if DLC even happens its a blessing reguardless imo but everyone has there opnions i respect that.
The WiiU maybe the only next gen console i get this year...

 

[Blazeth]

No. You can't simply plan DLC before the game is even done, that's like selling a game console, then selling a hardly needed add-on a few days after release.

Anyway, if they make DLC after it's released, it would bother me much, although, unless it's really good, I probably won't buy it.

 

[finalark]

No. You can't simply plan DLC before the game is even done, that's like selling a game console, then selling a hardly needed add-on a few days after release.

Have you never followed a game's dev cycle? Ever? Planned DLC happens all time time. Ever hear of day 1 DLC? What do you think they do, on the last day of development just say "hey we couldn't fit this **** onto the disk so let's make it DLC to be launched on the same day as our game"?'

Companies like EA and Activision do that **** all of the ****ing time.

 

[Dark Phazon]

I think its safe to say most of it rides on how good the games is if your gonna buy DLC..well imo ofc its a major point..probly the biggest! I mean who buys DLC for a bad game or game they dont like/stopped playing...

 

[Blazeth]

If I do end up buying DLC, it'll probably be through the 3DS eShop and will probably only be a character or costume thing.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Yes. But I think they have to come at least one year after the release of the game. Just to be sure they didn't hold them off to sold them later.
I think it's a good way to support the longevity of the game.

Also they should make a new trophy every day for free just because, like Layton does with those little puzzles.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Did anyone even read my post?
There is a period of 6-8 weeks where the development team cannot add more to the game that's being released because its being processed by the publisher. The options are, work on DLC or stop working on the game entirely.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Did anyone even read my post?
There is a period of 6-8 weeks where the development team cannot add more to the game that's being released because its being processed by the publisher. The options are, work on DLC or stop working on the game entirely.

Umh are you sure? Do you have anything to support that?
Even if the publisher is the one working on the DLCs?

I'm pretty sure some Left 4 Dead maps came out at least one year after the game itself. I'm sure of it, since one was actually for L4D2 but was released for the first one too.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Now that I think of, even L4D2 got a DLC FOUR YEARS after the release, the one which was a crossover with Resident Evil 6.
So I don't know, I'm pretty sure what you said is not a rule by all means.

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Umh are you sure? Do you have anything to support that?
Even if the publisher is the one working on the DLCs?

I'm pretty sure some Left 4 Dead maps came out at least one year after the game itself. I'm sure of it, since one was actually for L4D2 but was released for the first one too.

http://youtu.be/g0TT_SGL-oc?t=2m6s
I freaking love this series. Watch more of them. Its sorta addicting. The person who writes the script for this series does a lot of professional work with various development teams and publishers so what you see is reliable.
Anyways in the case we're talking about console games which can be a bit different than something like L4D2 which is a free game being frequently updated by valve. Valve also has a very strong connection with the modding community. They often hire people who have made mods to be on their development teams. If I recall correctly some of the DLC maps in that game had some sort of connection to modders.

Edit: I forgot to add one thing. The partnership with Sora ltd. and Namco bandai is temporary. Once they're done with smash brothers the collaboration will be disbanded. Although I suppose it would be possible that they create new development team for DLC but the best time for them to do it is after release and with the same staff.

 

[finalark]

Extra Credits is good stuff, I haven't seen that one in a long while.

 

[Vintage Creep]

I don't know, the L4D map I was talking about was released on 360 too. I think it depends, if Nintendo wants to publish a DLC a years after the release, I really think nothing will stop them.

 

[Dark Phazon]

http://youtu.be/g0TT_SGL-oc?t=2m6s
I freaking love this series. Watch more of them. Its sorta addicting. The person who writes the script for this series does a lot of professional work with various development teams and publishers so what you see is reliable.
Anyways in the case we're talking about console games which can be a bit different than something like L4D2 which is a free game being frequently updated by valve. Valve also has a very strong connection with the modding community. They often hire people who have made mods to be on their development teams. If I recall correctly some of the DLC maps in that game had some sort of connection to modders.

Edit: I forgot to add one thing. The partnership with Sora ltd. and Namco bandai is temporary. Once they're done with smash brothers the collaboration will be disbanded. Although I suppose it would be possible that they create new development team for DLC but the best time for them to do it is after release and with the same staff.

Oww ****..that pretty much means no DLC chars then..right?

 

[Gingerbread Man]

Oww ****..that pretty much means no DLC chars then..right?

Not really. If nintendo wants DLC the first wave will probably happen day1 or shortly after its release. Vintage Creep is right in saying that if they want to do it a year later they could easily form new development team to create DLC. But its is much much smarter to do it around the official release as it generates more profit.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Not really. If nintendo wants DLC the first wave will probably happen day1 or shortly after its release. Vintage Creep is right in saying that if they want to do it a year later they could easily form new development team to create DLC. But its is much much smarter to do it around the official release as it generates more profit.

Yh but it would be namcos who balances the DLC chars then...

 

[DarkShadow20]

Not everyone has the money to afford the internet; no DLC (except new character costumes, since it's not game breaking or anything)

So since some people can't afford the internet(but can afford the game and system to play it on), everyone else should be punished?

No.

I would rather not have to spend money after I spent money.

Good news! You don't have to!

 

[Angiance]

So since some people can't afford the internet(but can afford the game and system to play it on), everyone else should be punished?

Well, they've popped every character, song, stage, etc. into the disk before...

 

[finalark]

I'm not going to pay $60 for a half-finished game and then fork over additional more for **** that should have been on the disk in the first place.

 

[DarkShadow20]

Well, they've popped every character, song, stage, etc. into the disk before...

No they haven't. There's been content he's had to cut in all three games. DLC would be the perfect solution to that problem.

I'm not going to pay $60 for a half-finished game and then fork over additional more for **** that should have been on the disk in the first place.

I just don't really see why people complain about DLC when it's done right. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. As long as it's not day 1 DLC, on-disc DLC, or purposely cut content to add as DLC later, I don't see the problem. So far Nintendo has done DLC right, and they will probably continue to do so. Rest assured, SSB4 will not be a half-finished game that would have DLC that could have been included on disc. If it has DLC, it will likely be things he wanted to include but couldn't due to time constraints.

 

[Dark Phazon]

No they haven't. There's been content he's had to cut in all three games. DLC would be the perfect solution to that problem.



I just don't really see why people complain about DLC when it's done right. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. As long as it's not day 1 DLC, on-disc DLC, or purposely cut content to add as DLC later, I don't see the problem. So far Nintendo has done DLC right, and they will probably continue to do so. Rest assured, SSB4 will not be a half-finished game that would have DLC that could have been included on disc. If it has DLC, it will likely be things he wanted to include but couldn't due to time constraints.

i sure hope your right.

 

[finalark]

I just don't really see why people complain about DLC when it's done right. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. As long as it's not day 1 DLC, on-disc DLC, or purposely cut content to add as DLC later, I don't see the problem. So far Nintendo has done DLC right, and they will probably continue to do so. Rest assured, SSB4 will not be a half-finished game that would have DLC that could have been included on disc. If it has DLC, it will likely be things he wanted to include but couldn't due to time constraints.

I haven't had any experience with Nintendo DLC and am only basing my opinions on my experiences with it in the past.

We'll see how Nintendo handles it, if at all.

 

[Frostwraith]

Fire Emblem: Awakening and New Super Mario Bros. 2 have DLC that are simply extra stages.

FE's DLC is basically new chapters where you get characters from previous FE games. It's not essential to the story and you can enjoy the game without buying DLC.

 

[Angiance]

They'll be able to fit everything onto the disc without DLC...unless you're wanting 1000000 chars, 100000000 stages, etc. Cutting chars and stages out, making the player pay to play those chars and stages, if that's what you're saying, is kind of a silly decision...

 

[Dark Phazon]

They'll be able to fit everything onto the disc without DLC...unless you're wanting 1000000 chars, 100000000 stages, etc. Cutting chars and stages out, making the player pay to play those chars and stages, if that's what you're saying, is kind of a silly decision...

yeah but you dont what the devs wanna add so you cant really say you can fit everything...even there was **** in brawl they wanted to add but couldnt due to time.

 

[Waluigi4mvp]

Hecks yeah there should be DLC. I would totally be willing to dish out money for new characters/items/stages/etc.

 

[Osennecho]

If Nintendo would turn around and use the excess profit to sponsor Smash 4 then yes.... If it handles the profit like it would any normal game then no. In other words... No.

 

[Johnknight1]

DLC is inevitable. Brawl technically had DLC (in the uploaded stages, pictures, and videos), but even things like glitch fixes, some new additions, and online updates are bound to happen. Given how online centered the 3DS and WiiU are, we shouldn't fear it. Heck, MGS4 had an update not too long ago that eliminated long load times between acts, and that game came out around half a decade ago.

I'm sorry if I'm opposed to companies cutting content or working on DLC that could easily be in the game just for the sake of having DLC.

****, if Nintendo does DLC for Smash 4 I'll probably just wait until the Game of the Year edition comes out so that way I don't have to spend $60 + $1-5 per character or $1-5 per stage or whatever. Jesus, I miss the days when DLC was either free or when all you had to do was buy the ****ing game and you got everything with it meaning that companies couldn't skimp on content to nickle and dime their audience for it later.

Let's say that's $75 for fun.

If you take away inflation, that's about the same cost as a game worth $50 about 10 years ago.

And given that games used to be a lot more expensive (I remember buying DKC2 for like $80 after it was 2 years old! YIKES!), that's not the big of a deal for this quality of a game and this kind of game that rarely comes around (like 1 per every 3 years).

Now if we're talking about Call of Booty or the Sims, then that crap is ridiculous, and it should die forever.