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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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Yeah I dunno where she got that from since it's clearly hinting Goldman as our final fighter. :troll:
I was just surmising that maybe that’s the trailer’s title? Literally “The Final Battle”

And so a WoL final battle setting would make sense

but that’s just me hyping mostly
 

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Those are my thoughts exactly. I personally wouldn’t rule out Scorpion or Sub-Zero from being the final character purely because of MK’s worldwide popularity and sales. There are tons of other potential characters CP11 could be so I wouldn’t call any one character likely but I do think they have a shot.
I would say being all but irrelevant to a major region does kill their chances of being the final fighter since someone who the entire region is unlikely to know would unquestionably be a huge disappointment.

That said, they could make it in at a later point.

I was just surmising that maybe that’s the trailer’s title? Literally “The Final Battle”

And so a WoL final battle setting would make sense

but that’s just me hyping mostly
Just to clarify, I was just memeing. No actual shade was meant to be thrown.
 

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I would say being all but irrelevant to a major region does kill their chances of being the final fighter since someone who the entire region is unlikely to know would unquestionably be a huge disappointment.

That said, they could make it in at a later point.


Just to clarify, I was just memeing. No actual shade was meant to be thrown.
I know

who even is Goldman???
 

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I'd wager it is, but not really for the reason you suggest.

If the physics or animations applied to the costume had to be changed then there could be some graphical glitches because of it. Otherwise I highly doubt it would do anything programming wise since the change is purely cosmetic, and if you were planning on doing something like this, the code would already allow the extra slots for them.

What is probably a concern though, is the fact that you have to design the costume, make sure its visually clear, and all parties are on board with it (which for some characters, this seems like a monumental task). However, this could all be said about Mii Costumes to some extent (the only extra thing you have to worry about are character mandates that the Miis don't really have).

Gun to my head, I'd say the biggest reason why we don't have DLC alternate costumes is because of just how much memory that would take up; the character select screen takes too long to load all of the renders as it is.
Might be a key reason why mods usually replace existing material instead of adding say a 9th costume. For example: (Ultimate Salt is Real ep. 51):



Likewise, the custom "GAME!" text / music overrides something else. The timestamped person below uses Cuphead's GUI - incl. "KNOCKOUT!":


It does bring up an interesting question if they could take advantage of the expanded memory space on the next console, however.

I've seen this a few times now, but I'm not sure Mortal Kombat will frankly ever come to Smash unless policies change, because like, while not explicitly banned, Mortal Kombat isn't sold in Japan and the only way people can get it there is buying it online or overseas, right? So if it can't be sold in Japan, likely for the same reason it's banned outright in places like China, I'm not sure I could see CERO going for MK in a children's party/fighting game?
While I'm skeptical as well, CERO is not under the government's purview AFAIK unlike China's NPPA (National Press and Publication Administration, which says a lot). Still though, while both do have somewhat similar notions on brutal violence - even if they're enforced very differently. CERO does allow RE games to release even if they're Bowdlerized. The NPPA is even stricter: I don't believe RE has ever gotten an official Chinese release, nor does it look likely since RE2 Remake was banned.*

Which in turn does give MK a hypotheoretical avenue - it's just that Netherrealm / WB do not see that as worth it since the gore and Fatalities.

If Netherrealm / WB wanted to though they probably could reinvent the wheel a bit and enter the Japanese market through that way. Or create a MK anime - while I'm not sure how anime is regulated in Japan I don't get the impression that the blood / gore question is as strict when it comes to anime considering gory anime like Berserk and Fist of the North Star exist.

But they'd have to consider it worth it - which might be the main reason why they didn't release the Injustice games officially in Japan.

*Although that doesn't stop those interested there: RE games have been sold under the counter on Chinese webshops, using code names like “First Day on the Job at the Police Station: Remake” (People also sell the likewise-banned AC New Horizons under code numbers like "Number 85"):



I’m just saying it would be HILARIOUS if that 4chan LoL rumor that said the Hollow Knight Mii and all ended up actually true in the end
Especially since it sounds suspiciously like a monkey on typewriter scenario.

Then again, if any 4chan leak turns out true like that Plant leak (IIRC) I'm gonna laugh out loud.
 

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Might be a key reason why mods usually replace existing material instead of adding say a 9th costume. For example: (Ultimate Salt is Real ep. 51):



Likewise, the custom "GAME!" text / music overrides something else. The timestamped person below uses Cuphead's GUI - incl. "KNOCKOUT!":


It does bring up an interesting question if they could take advantage of the expanded memory space on the next console, however.



While I'm skeptical as well, CERO is not under the government's purview AFAIK unlike China's NPPA (National Press and Publication Administration, which says a lot). Still though, while both do have somewhat similar notions on brutal violence - even if they're enforced very differently. CERO does allow RE games to release even if they're Bowdlerized. The NPPA is even stricter: I don't believe RE has ever gotten an official Chinese release, nor does it look likely since RE2 Remake was banned.*

Which in turn does give MK a hypotheoretical avenue - it's just that Netherrealm / WB do not see that as worth it since the gore and Fatalities.

If Netherrealm / WB wanted to though they probably could reinvent the wheel a bit and enter the Japanese market through that way. Or create a MK anime - while I'm not sure how anime is regulated in Japan I don't get the impression that the blood / gore question is as strict when it comes to anime considering gory anime like Berserk and Fist of the North Star exist.

But they'd have to consider it worth it - which might be the main reason why they didn't release the Injustice games officially in Japan.

*Although that doesn't stop those interested there: RE games have been sold under the counter on Chinese webshops, using code names like “First Day on the Job at the Police Station: Remake” (People also sell the likewise-banned AC New Horizons under code numbers like "Number 85"):





Especially since it sounds suspiciously like a monkey on typewriter scenario.

Then again, if any 4chan leak turns out true like that Plant leak (IIRC) I'm gonna laugh out loud.
Didn’t VR Plant leak Plant (ha!) as well tho
 

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who even is Goldman???
I am Goldman. You are all disturbing the LOIFE Cycle. This is the Final Battle!

 
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Might be a key reason why mods usually replace existing material instead of adding say a 9th costume. For example: (Ultimate Salt is Real ep. 51):
Dunno, but if it weren't the case the main reason you'd want to not make more slots (assuming you've figured out how without crashing the game since that's also a pretty big barrier) is that it wouldn't be online safe; something would go wrong be it crashing the opponent's game or getting detected and banned.

If i see that word one more time..
Mallocaco :troll:
 

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Weird thing is that while it means the same thing of Ultimate's end, the UK version is this
So it strengthen the fact that no bonus fighter will happen. Not to be the party pooper.

Layton reference right here babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!

In before Nintendo uk is teasing Layton and it’s gone unnoticed by everyone (the context is that the final battle of professor Layton and the last spectre is literally called…… the final battle)

means nothing though unfortunately
 

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on a related kinda note, does anyone think the last character might be complicated on the same level as Steve. I feel as if, if it was a simple character they’d have been revealed in the direct.

The most complicated characters have been Steve, min min and terry who all got practically revealed in standalone sakurai presents (yes terry got revealed in a direct, however it wasn’t even a full trailer, just an announcement he was in development)

not counting hero and byleth as hero was a straight forward moveset, he just had a Bunch of spells and byleth had no other way of being revealed so they were forced into a stand-alone presents. Fp11 on the other hand had the opportunity to be at the September direct.
Hero was a straight forward moveset but it did affect how he played in the long run, which is complex as it requires an extra level of thinking when factoring in RNG. and definitely more so than Terry, even if skill is less of a factor. Pyra and Mythra too were likely complex to make just by virtue of them being two different characters and Kazuya is definitely more complex than Terry. Feels odd you didn't mention that lol. IDK how this ties into what you mean much but yeah.

I don't think the lack of an announcement is too indicative of complexity as Hero is complex, and was revealed in a direct. Terry was also revealed in the direct, even if it lacked gameplay as we already knew about the character even if it lacked gameplay. Even if you do wanna exclude those characters tho, I don't see why they'd be hesitant on when to reveal a character. The last character not being shown off is just likely because it's the last character for smash, not because they'd rather reveal it in a standalone thing.
 

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As someone who played the game for 5 years

Who's heard all the gross behind the scenes in regards to Riot

Tencent as a whole



It's hard to divorce those feelings.
We're going to see the brunt of those thoughts at some point, whether it'd be LoL or Crash Bandicoot or something else notable. Heck, I'm positive we were seeing them for a bit when we learned Konami was coming back into Smash Ultimate. But regardless, world reality will sink in deeper at some point much to our dismay.
 

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We're going to see the brunt of those thoughts at some point, whether it'd be LoL or Crash Bandicoot or something else notable. Heck, I'm positive we were seeing them for a bit when we learned Konami was coming back into Smash Ultimate. But regardless, world reality will sink in deeper at some point much to our dismay.
I didn’t really care so much about what Konami did at the time, I literally just wanted Snake back :drshrug:
 

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Layton reference right here babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!

In before Nintendo uk is teasing Layton and it’s gone unnoticed by everyone (the context is that the final battle of professor Layton and the last spectre is literally called…… the final battle)

means nothing though unfortunately
We're going to by semantics the song that goes along with it is "theme of the last battle" but I guess final battle can work too unless the title "theme of the last battle" is a US thing
 
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I think a Mortal Kombat fighter has a decent chance to get in Smash in the future, but more likely as a base game pick that isn't financially risky to a Japanese audience as DLC and likely balanced out by a fairly popular Eastern character that would essentially act as the inverse.

The likes of Arle and Scorpion in a double reveal would be pretty amusing.
 

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Mysteries we’ll never know about when FP11 has been revealed, a list.

why the august smash direct was demolished

Why they skipped Lm3’s spirit event

why They made a seperate voice section for cloud in the voice section when his voice is pretty much the same

why porky didn’t return as a boss

why the mysterious Jane was scrapped (context being jokers file if I remember rightly)

who byleth replaced as FP11

who made caccomallow

who the potential supposed mii costume was that was scrapped In kazuya’s mii wave

Have I left any out
 
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The list of Nintendo characters that are more universally requested is too damn high for the undead greedy overlord to get in. He needs to wait his turn, just like the rest have.

After like, two or three more Mario characters, THEN we can talk turkey.



I think that people have been talking about RE recently with the thought that RE Spirit were during Pass 1's timeframe, so things may have changed.
Right, that's why we got Pirahna Plant before Waluigi!
 

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Mysteries we’ll never know about when FP11 has been revealed, a list.

why the august smash direct was demolished

Why they skipped Lm3’s spirit event

why They made a seperate voice section for cloud in the voice section when his voice is pretty much the same

why porky didn’t return as a boss

why the mysterious Jane was scrapped (context being jokers file if I remember rightly)

who byleth replaced as FP11

who the potential supposed mii costume was that was scrapped In kazuya’s mii wave

Have I left any out
What some of those missing spirits events/tourneys were if there’s no more

Who made the grinch leak

Why did we get a LOTUS WARFRAME Spirit of all Spirits added

why there’s no Undertale Spirit Event if the last character isn’t from Undertale

why Lycanroc and Decidueye didn’t even get spirits

why we never got Xenoblade Chronicles X music (probably licensing rights but we don’t know for sure)

why Saki’s AT was cut

Why were there WoL slots in the code if all the DLC aren’t officially added to the maps

Why there were more slots in the executable at large

what’s the deal with Devil’s Third, Jet Force Gemini and Blast Corps in the code

why Tsubasa is the only Spirit from TMS. Shut up this is my hang up
 
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Mysteries we’ll never know about when FP11 has been revealed, a list.


Why they skipped Lm3’s spirit event

why They made a seperate voice section for cloud in the voice section when his voice is pretty much the same

why porky didn’t return as a boss

who made caccomallow


1# It probably just didn't get one. There's a handful of games that didn't get one.

2# Bayonetta has one and there's basically no change aside from a single voice line.

3# A lot of Brawl bosses didn't return, Porky isn't special.

4# Some 4chan troll
 

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All right, so if we going to run though the 11 DLC challengers before reaching Final Challenger 12. Why not.....
Piranha Plant
The bonus character to get everyone started for DLC with being the WTF character and had a mixed bag during its initial reveal. (Along with rubbing salt to some people.)

Video originally was made by Shining Nova
 

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All right, so if we going to run though the 11 DLC challengers before reaching Final Challenger 12. Why not.....
Piranha Plant
The bonus character to get everyone started for DLC with being the WTF character and had a mixed bag during its initial reveal. (Along with rubbing salt to some people.)

Video originally was made by Shining Nova
Inb4 Octoling gets their revenge

I’m counting on it.
 

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Irrelevant, just like Amingo, Buck Bumble, and Homura from Madoka, that's who.
DAMN son you didn’t need to roast Tougon as well

but uh

to my unsolved mysteries thing

I think the Devil’s Third/Jet Force Gemini/Blast Corps thing in the code perplexes me the most. Like were we gonna have spirits from those games? Music? The world may never know…
 
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All right, so if we going to run though the 11 DLC challengers before reaching Final Challenger 12. Why not.....
Piranha Plant
The bonus character to get everyone started for DLC with being the WTF character and had a mixed bag during its initial reveal. (Along with rubbing salt to some people.)

Video originally was made by Shining Nova
The funny thing is that every character Piranha Plant laughed at (not counting the Grinch obviously) is still not in the game. The only way this video could possibly age poorly is if Waluigi was the last fighter.
 
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Mysteries we’ll never know about when FP11 has been revealed, a list.

who byleth replaced as FP11
I've been really lovin the theory lately that Byleth didn't replace anyone, but rather they were supposed to be revealed at the Game Awards a month earlier. That's why the trailer has no shock value in it, it was supposed to look like 3H DLC at first.
 

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All right, so if we going to run though the 11 DLC challengers before reaching Final Challenger 12. Why not.....
Piranha Plant
The bonus character to get everyone started for DLC with being the WTF character and had a mixed bag during its initial reveal. (Along with rubbing salt to some people.)

Video originally was made by Shining Nova
Best part when he laugh at Geno :troll:
 

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As funny as Piranha Plant was though, it would really suck if by the end of the game, he was the only fully unique mario character added to the roster. It's one of the reasons I am rooting for Waluigi.

Like, I know that we won't get both Toad and Waluigi, but we should at least get one of them since they're both staple characters and deserve to be on the roster more than a random enemy. Out of the 2 I think Waluigi is more likely.
 
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Perhaps we could do a thing where we take a look back at each of the DLC characters one per day and share our thoughts on them leading up to the final reveal?
Alright, I guess I'll make this a thing.

Day 1: Piranha Plant :ultpiranha:


Plant was and will continue to be the strangest, most mind-bending reveal of the entire Smash Bros series. Sakurai reveals that we're getting a bonus character for adopting the game early. We all had ideas racing through our head about what it could be, but not a soul thought "It's going to be a Piranha Plant". Yes, a potted plant beat out Mario characters such as Toad and Waluigi. A character that was not even playable in the Mario spinoffs before the point. And I was all for it. Seeing a Piranha Plant feverishly rush toward its opponents and beat them up for the first time gave me a special type of joy.

Plant was also strange because he was the first and only DLC character that was shadowdropped. We had no idea when he was coming until the moment he was added to the game. No showcase, no warning, no nothing. All of got to experience this character's moveset coming in almost completely blind, which is another aspect of this character I enjoyed.

It's too bad, then, that I tend to forget nowadays that Plant is even in the game. It's like Sakurai had said: the initial shock value had worn off. Now, we have the worst of the DLC character tier-wise who is pretty much defined by a single move: Ptooie. All in all, Plant followed the exact trend these absurd reveals tend to follow: the internet collectively loses their minds only to move on years later. Sorry to be melodramatic, but it's the truth. Nobody really talks about Plant anymore, making him the black sheep of the DLC characters: A DLC character without any DLC sauce.
 

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Alright, I guess I'll make this a thing.

Day 1: Piranha Plant :ultpiranha:


Plant was and will continue to be the strangest, most mind-bending reveal of the entire Smash Bros series. Sakurai reveals that we're getting a bonus character for adopting the game early. We all had ideas racing through our head about what it could be, but not a soul thought "It's going to be a Piranha Plant". Yes, a potted plant beat out Mario characters such as Toad and Waluigi. A character that was not even playable in the Mario spinoffs before the point. And I was all for it. Seeing a Piranha Plant feverishly rush toward its opponents and beat them up for the first time gave me a special type of joy.

Plant was also strange because he was the first and only DLC character that was shadowdropped. We had no idea when he was coming until the moment he was added to the game. No showcase, no warning, no nothing. All of got to experience this character's moveset coming in almost completely blind, which is another aspect of this character I enjoyed.

It's too bad, then, that I tend to forget nowadays that Plant is even in the game. It's like Sakurai had said: the initial shock value had worn off. Now, we have the worst of the DLC character tier-wise who is pretty much defined by a single move: Ptooie. All in all, Plant followed the exact trend these absurd reveals tend to follow: the internet collectively loses their minds only to move on years later. Sorry to be melodramatic, but it's the truth. Nobody really talks about Plant anymore, making him the black sheep of the DLC characters: A DLC character without any DLC sauce.
I don't know about you, but I didn't really think much of Piranha Plant besides "haha funny plant" and I was hyped about it for like a few months. It wasn't a mindbending reveal, it was just "lol funny random"
 

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It's too bad, then, that I tend to forget nowadays that Plant is even in the game. It's like Sakurai had said: the initial shock value had worn off. Now, we have the worst of the DLC character tier-wise who is pretty much defined by a single move: Ptooie. All in all, Plant followed the exact trend these absurd reveals tend to follow: the internet collectively loses their minds only to move on years later. Sorry to be melodramatic, but it's the truth. Nobody really talks about Plant anymore, making him the black sheep of the DLC characters: A DLC character without any DLC sauce.
Which is a shame because the moveset itself is super creative. It's just that in excecution it's just like King Dedede; It's only good at ledge trapping.

I don't know about you, but I didn't really think much of Piranha Plant besides "haha funny plant" and I was hyped about it for like a few months. It wasn't a mindbending reveal, it was just "lol funny random"
I'd argue it was mindbending, but in the "wait wut?" kinda way rather than the "OH MY GAAAAAAAAAAAAAJFWEIOKGVHNAWOIG" kinda way like some of our third parties have been.

Of all the "wait wut" characters, Piranha Plant is the "wait wuttiest".
 
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