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[Deleted member]

Everyone moves on to the next thing that they desperately want in Smash, as characters fade into the roster and the hype of their inclusion dies down.

The cycle of Smash Speculation.

Your post pretty much sums it up.

Remember when people were happy for the Villager joining the battle despite Sakurai's comment about him on the past? (and then when they made him a Psychopath killer?)

How about when people freaked out after Mega Man's confirmation and everyone talked about how Nintendo gave Mega Man more respect than Capcom?

Let's not forget people's reaction to Sonic coming back.

Who could even forget when people were amazed that a character mostly popular in the west made it in?

I also remember all those leaks about Palutena before her confirmation on E3.

How could i not laugh to all the salt from the butthurt Pac-Man haters when he joined the battle?

Who else enjoyed the "Im really feeling it!" memes that popped up after Shulk's reveal? (IM REALLY LEAKING IT)

Etika's reaction to Mewtwo's reveal was just hilarious (MEWTWO MEWTWO!).

Has anyone else readed that emotional fan comic about Lucas's return?(http://memoriimakiko.deviantart.com/art/Super-Smash-Bros-Welcome-back-Lucas-524242848)


I will never forget Chronobound's wirte-ups about Roy and his confirmation (i don't think he has finished his post-mortem yet......).


It's sometimes surreal to think they all made it into the game.....

 

[Logo12]

What if Sakurai just decided to be a massive **** and make Wolf, Issac, Dixie and Tiki DLC costumes and then immediately confirm King K.Rool and Ridley as DLC? How much fire would there be?

I'll be the first one to rage. At least.

 

[BluePikmin11]

New Update:

* Hanafuda character representation:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll376424x31d74C22-14

* Impa:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll376418x8d4c481F-14

* Meowth:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll376423xEc494537-14

* Phoenix Wright:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll376420x0D48a41e-14

Go vote!

 

[Ura]

I gotcha man, No one wants to see trash talk/anything negative against their favorites. But lets not also be that guy, kay? Kay.

Just gotta call someone out when they make false claims like that. Maybe I could have worded that post better but when you deal with this kind of thing on a frequent basis, you gradually lose tolerance of dealing with those kind of people.

Y'know. There's quite a few characters I don't want in Smash or even characters in the game currently that I don't want in the game. I'm not all over the place voicing my disdain for said character like a bitter person. That kind of thing is petty and just needs to stop in this fanbase.

 

[Deleted member]

Remember when people were happy for the Villager joining the battle despite Sakurai's comment about him on the past? (and then when they made him a Psychopath killer?)

How about when people freaked out after Mega Man's confirmation and everyone talked about how Nintendo gave Mega Man more respect than Capcom?

Let's not forget people's reaction to Sonic coming back.

Who could even forget when people were amazed that a character mostly popular in the west made it in?

I also remember all those leaks about Palutena before her confirmation on E3.

How could i not laugh to all the salt from the butthurt Pac-Man haters when he joined the battle?

Who else enjoyed the "Im really feeling it!" memes that popped up after Shulk's reveal? (IM REALLY LEAKING IT)

Etika's reaction to Mewtwo's reveal was just hilarious (MEWTWO MEWTWO!).

Has anyone else readed that emotional fan comic about Lucas's return?(http://memoriimakiko.deviantart.com/art/Super-Smash-Bros-Welcome-back-Lucas-524242848)


I will never forget Chronobound's wirte-ups about Roy and his confirmation (i don't think he has finished his post-mortem yet......).


It's sometimes surreal to think they all made it into the game.....

Follow up:
Remember the people's reaction to the Wii Fit Trainer? (I remember that everyone laughed back at the E3 floor)

How many people were amazed by Rosalina's moveset?

Does anyone else Remember when everyone thought that Greninja was Mewtwo for a second?

I just love the Mii's trailer with Reggie and Iwata (rest in peace you wonderfull person) fighting.

Need i remind you about the controversy of Dark Pit when he appeared in Palutena's trailer?


Remember when people were SHOCKED that Robin made it instead of Chrom and how almost everyone said "LEL GEMATSU AND CHORUS KIDS ARE DED" and all the Jokes about Chrom not beign playable?

Who else thought for a second that Lucina was an alt instead of a Clone?


Remember all the Roy Koopa jokes (i hate those) back when Bowser Jr. was confirmed alongside the Koopalings?


Do you also remember how many people were on denial when Duck Hunt and Dr. Mario were leaked to the Public in August?


And lastly, remember when people datamined and discovered that how Capcom was getting another Character?


Speculation sure goes fast, come to think that the Ballot is ending in just 3 months! (which is just 9 weeks approx!)

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

And just when I've made a post about the double standards in the Smash community about clones here you guys are talking about the many flaws of Smash speculation. It must be a special holiday of some sort today.

 

[Logo12]

Follow up:
Remember the people's reaction to the Wii Fit Trainer? (I remember that everyone laughed back at the E3 floor)

Remember when people were amazed by Rosalina's moveset?

Remember when everyone thought that Greninja was Mewtwo for a second?

Remember the Mii's trailer with Reggie and Iwata (rest in peace you wonderfull person) fighting?

Remember the controversy about Dark Pit when he appeared in Palutena's trailer?


Remember when people were SHOCKED that Robin made it instead of Chrom and how almost everyone said "LEL GEMATSU AND CHORUS KIDS ARE DED" and all the Jokes about Chrom not beign playable?

Remember when people thought for a second that Lucina was an alt?

Remember all the Roy Koopa jokes (i hate those) back when Bowser Jr. was confirmed alongside the Koopalings?

Remember when Duck Hunt and Dr. Mario were leaked to the Public?

Remember when people datamined and discovered that how Capcom was getting another Character?

Speculation sure goes fast, come to think that the Ballot is ending in just 3 months! (which is just 9 weeks approx!)

lel, I don't. I started playing Smash some time after Mewtwo became DLC and Lucas is already confirmed, so most of these don't happen on me.

I only remember about datamining and that comic (which I read only recently), nothing else.
These aren't really something too hype-worthy for me to begin with, so meh.

 

[Ura]

Now that you guys brought up the amount of time left until the ballot, that leaves me wondering how the ballot characters are being developed.

What do you guys think is the most likely scenario for the development of all the ballot characters?

A) All the ballot characters are finished by the October 3rd deadline and the characters that won are released the same day in which it's announced that they won.

B) All the winning ballot characters are announced on October 3rd but are only in mid-development and aren't released immediately (would all get released by the end of the year).

C) All the winning ballot characters are announced on October 3rd but development hasn't even started and the characters are released in 2016.

Also, do you think that all the characters that won the ballot would be revealed right away or would the reveals be spread out?

 

[Deleted member]

lel, I don't. I started playing Smash some time after Mewtwo became DLC and Lucas is already confirmed, so most of these don't happen on me.

I only remember about datamining and that comic (which I read only recently), nothing else.
These aren't really something too hype-worthy for me to begin with, so meh.

You have a lot to learn Young Padawan.

I may have join to these boards in July 8 2015, but i have been witness of the many things during this era of smash speculation.

I've witnessed the Gematsu leak, i've witnessed the ESRB leak, i've witnessed the Ballot announcement, i've witnessed many Nintendo Directs and i've witnessed countless arguments, rumors, theories, and i remember all those moments of frustation, salt, happyness and hype like the palm of my hand.

Now that you guys brought up the amount of time left until the ballot, that leaves me wondering how the ballot characters are being developed.

What do you guys think is the most likely scenario for the development of all the ballot characters?

A) All the ballot characters are finished by the October 3rd deadline and the characters that won are released the same day in which it's announced that they won.

B) All the winning ballot characters are announced on October 3rd but are only in mid-development and aren't released immediately (would all get released by the end of the year).

C) All the winning ballot characters are announced on October 3rd but development hasn't even started and the characters are released in 2016.

Also, do you think that all the characters that won the ballot would be revealed right away or would the reveals be spread out?

I think they will spread out the Ballot winners between updates, they gotta keep the hype at maximum.

 

[Troykv]

Now that you guys brought up the amount of time left until the ballot, that leaves me wondering how the ballot characters are being developed.

What do you guys think is the most likely scenario for the development of all the ballot characters?

A) All the ballot characters are finished by the October 3rd deadline and the characters that won are released the same day in which it's announced that they won.

B) All the winning ballot characters are announced on October 3rd but are only in mid-development and aren't released immediately (would all get released by the end of the year).

C) All the winning ballot characters are announced on October 3rd but development hasn't even started and the characters are released in 2016.

Also, do you think that all the characters that won the ballot would be revealed right away or would the reveals be spread out?

Hmm I think that option B or C are more probably, I go for the Option C

 

[BKupa666]

One winner announced in August, one plus Wolf (who will likely outright win the thing anyway) announced in October and one announced in December to close things out. 4 veterans, 4 newcomers, 2 bundles.

 

[Graizen]

Meowth: @ Arcadenik
Delphox/Absol: @Delzethin
Adeleine: @Iko MattOrr
Magolor: @IAmMetaKnight
Agumon: @ Graizen

<3

 

[Ura]

One winner announced in August, one plus Wolf (who will likely outright win the thing anyway) announced in October and one announced in December to close things out. 4 veterans, 4 newcomers, 2 bundles.

Nice, that release schedule works really well though I would rather see the final roster count be 60 hence me wanting a 5th character lol. I would be satisfied with 4 though.

Here's hoping an NX version will come out that would include the IC' to bring the roster count to 60.

 

[Aetheri]

I would rather if they just worked on a new game for the NX...it feels like they'd just be undermining the Wii U even further if they ported Smash to a new console especially since by the time the NX gets released Smash 4 will be a few years old...unlike what they did for Twilight Princess where it was pretty much a Wii game which had a Gamecube port (Gamecube TP>Wii TP btw)...a new game would bring much more hype anyways...

 

[Deleted member]

I would rather if they just worked on a new game for the NX...it feels like they'd just be undermining the Wii U even further if they ported Smash to a new console especially since by the time the NX gets released Smash 4 will be a few years old...unlike what they did for Twilight Princess where it was pretty much a Wii game which had a Gamecube port (Gamecube TP>Wii TP btw)...a new game would bring much more hype anyways...

Do you know much development it would take to make ANOTHER Smash game for the NX from scratch?

We are likely not going to see another Smash game for at least 7 years.

 

[Troykv]

Do you know much development it would take to make ANOTHER Smash game for the NX from scratch?

We are likely not going to see another Smash game for at least 7 years.

I think is better wait more... The NX still doesn't have a specific release date.

 

[Deleted member]

I think is better wait more... The NX still doesn't have a specific release date.

Square Enix already announced a Dragon Quest game for the NX. So it's not gonna be like it's coming in the next decade or something like that, i legitimaley can see the NX coming in 2017.

 

[Aetheri]

Do you know much development it would take to make ANOTHER Smash game for the NX from scratch?

We are likely not going to see another Smash game for at least 7 years.

How do you know the NX will be released earlier than that? We still don't know that much about the new console anyways...

not only that who says that Smash needs to be made right as the system is launched? It would be better for marketing as smash is one of the rare franchises that practically guarantees to sell consoles, but given Nintendo's recent track record...

Either way like I said I would rather if they made new game than port the old one...if it ends up being backwards compatible then there really is no need for it to be ported anyways, outside of a bit more content, which can be added to the current game anyways...plus I would rather not think that this may end up being the last smash game (unlikely) which would be a disappointment for a lot of people, and I doubt Nintendo would skip a console generation with Smash which, since it's inception, it hasn't....

 

[Deleted member]

Smash 4 has broken so many traditions, having Nintendo console withouth it's own Smash Bros would not really surprise me.
Really @Captain Hotcakes sums up my feelings about the NX port. (and i think he and @Fuzzy Pickles! make good points as to why it could take an entire decade to get another Smash).

 

[Ura]

Thing is it wouldn't have to be a fully fledged game. It would only be a port that combines both versions of Smash in to one and has all the modes from both games (Smash Run and Smash Tour) as well as having all the stages from both games. It could also have an Adventure mode like the one in Brawl as well as the IC's as an NX exclusive.

As for Smash 5 taking a decade, I doubt it. I can personally see the game being released in late 2021 or early 2022.

 

[Curious Villager]

I remember how satisfying it was for me when this little guy was confirmed to return.

Especially after how almost everyone was super confident that he was the most likely one to get kicked out.

 

[JaidynReiman]

One winner announced in August, one plus Wolf (who will likely outright win the thing anyway) announced in October and one announced in December to close things out. 4 veterans, 4 newcomers, 2 bundles.

I'm thinking I agree with this notion as well. Not necessarily one announced in August (its possible), but I definitely think we'd probably get a newcomer announcement first before we get Wolf, since the last three Nintendo characters released were veterans.

 

[Frostwraith]

Reminder that the ballot isn't a poll, but a suggestion box.

I don't believe there are "ballot winners", if the Smash 2 polls from the N64 days are any indication.

Of course, given it's DLC, popularity is likely a bigger factor, but I don't believe having a lot of votes will warrant anything.

 

[Talpr1]

It might not mean much for samurai, but it certainly does mean much more to Nintendo's higher-ups. If they realize that K. Rool will sell more than any other character, they will certainly try to convince Sakurai to do him, even if he's not too fond on the idea.

 

[DJ3DS]

Reminder that the ballot isn't a poll, but a suggestion box.

I don't believe there are "ballot winners", if the Smash 2 polls from the N64 days are any indication.

Of course, given it's DLC, popularity is likely a bigger factor, but I don't believe having a lot of votes will warrant anything.

Every game, the top suggestions have got in. Melee got Bowser (Ganondorf also due to how popular he was), Brawl got Sonic and Wario, 4 got Mega Man.

I will be stunned if the ballot doesn't follow suit, especially when it feels to me like a much more demonstrable popularity contest than those you mentioned.

 

[Troykv]

Reminder that the ballot isn't a poll, but a suggestion box.

I don't believe there are "ballot winners", if the Smash 2 polls from the N64 days are any indication.

Of course, given it's DLC, popularity is likely a bigger factor, but I don't believe having a lot of votes will warrant anything.

I think that we will get al least one no so popular character.

It might not mean much for samurai, but it certainly does mean much more to Nintendo's higher-ups. If they realize that K. Rool will sell more than any other character, they will certainly try to convince Sakurai to do him, even if he's not too fond on the idea.

We don't know how Nintendo could affect characters's chance.

Every game, the top suggestions have got in. Melee got Bowser (Ganondorf also due to how popular he was), Brawl got Sonic and Wario, 4 got Mega Man.

I will be stunned if the ballot doesn't follow suit, especially when it feels to me like a much more demonstrable popularity contest than those you mentioned.

Yeah, we will have a Top character, has sense... And K. Rool actually looks like could has soon his finest hour.

 

[Deleted member]

Every game, the top suggestions have got in. Melee got Bowser (Ganondorf also due to how popular he was), Brawl got Sonic and Wario, 4 got Mega Man.

I will be stunned if the ballot doesn't follow suit, especially when it feels to me like a much more demonstrable popularity contest than those you mentioned.

Let's not forget that Wario was given cosideration back in Melee too.

 

[Arcadenik]

Every game, the top suggestions have got in. Melee got Bowser (Ganondorf also due to how popular he was), Brawl got Sonic and Wario, 4 got Mega Man.

I will be stunned if the ballot doesn't follow suit, especially when it feels to me like a much more demonstrable popularity contest than those you mentioned.

If the top winners of this ballot don't get in SSB4, they most likely will get in SSB5. I always viewed this ballot as the pre-SSB5 poll... just like the pre-Melee and pre-Brawl polls.

 

[Aetheri]

If the top winners of this ballot don't get in SSB4, they most likely will get in SSB5. I always viewed this ballot as the pre-SSB5 poll... just like the pre-Melee and pre-Brawl polls.

This is why I get a little annoyed with the way NPCs are being treated...first off it is still possible for them to become DLC...probable? Not really, but still possible...second, the Ballot is going to be taken into consideration for future titles and not showing support now will hurt their chances later on...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

How is Roy strictly a Melee rep? Oh wait, lemme guess. FE fans don't like him and only Smash Bros fans want him despite his game selling more than both of Ike's games combined in Japan.

Just lay off the Haterade why don't you.

What game did Roy debut in again? You got your rep answer. Also, Ike's the most popular FE Lord and his games are considered some of the best FE games despite the fact they bombed, similar to Thracia. Binding Blade is very mediocre in comparison to future installments aswell from what I heard, Western fans don't like Roy as much because FE6 simply wasn't as good as the ones that were released outside Japan, it's like playing Pokemon ORAS and then immediately going back to Red and Blue

 

[Neoxon]

Every game, the top suggestions have got in. Melee got Bowser (Ganondorf also due to how popular he was), Brawl got Sonic and Wario, 4 got Mega Man.

I will be stunned if the ballot doesn't follow suit, especially when it feels to me like a much more demonstrable popularity contest than those you mentioned.

But that character also has to be within reason. If someone like Goku, Nathan Drake, or Banjo got the top vote, you don't expect Nintendo to reach out to Bird Studio, Sony, or Microsoft to include them (even if the other side would be thrilled to have them in the game). This is why I doubt that the DLC characters added, ballot or otherwise, will go beyond first-party or the few third party friends Nintendo has left (Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, Atlus, & Square Enix to an extent). At the same time, the devs have to be able to think of a viable moveset for the character. As such, the top winner may not necessarily be the one we get. Obviously they'll look at the Top 10 or 15 characters, but #1 isn't as guaranteed as we'd like to think.

 

[Neoxon]

If the top winners of this ballot don't get in SSB4, they most likely will get in SSB5. I always viewed this ballot as the pre-SSB5 poll... just like the pre-Melee and pre-Brawl polls.

Except that this ballot was advertised for Smash 4 rather than Smash as a whole. While granted, the ballot characters could be saved for a Smash 4 port on the NX platform, I don't think that Sakurai & his Bandai Namco crew would do such an underhanded move.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Except that this ballot was advertised for Smash 4 rather than Smash as a whole. While granted, the ballot characters could be saved for a Smash 4 port on the NX platform, I don't think that Sakurai & his Bandai Namco crew would do such an underhanded move.

They said it will impact future installments, also, naughty naughty, double post

 

[DJ3DS]

But that character also has to be within reason. If someone like Goku, Nathan Drake, or Banjo got the top vote, you don't expect Nintendo to reach out to Bird Studio, Sony, or Microsoft to include them (even if the other side would be thrilled to have them in the game). This is why I doubt that the DLC characters added, ballot or otherwise, will go beyond first-party or the few third party friends Nintendo has left (Sega, Capcom, Bandai Namco, Atlus, & Square Enix to an extent). At the same time, the devs have to be able to think of a viable moveset for the character. As such, the top winner may not necessarily be the one we get. Obviously they'll look at the Top 10 or 15 characters, but #1 isn't as guaranteed as we'd like to think.

I agree to a large extent but I feel like the number 1 first party request will have a very strong chance of getting in.

 

[Ura]

What game did Roy debut in again? You got your rep answer. Also, Ike's the most popular FE Lord and his games are considered some of the best FE games despite the fact they bombed, similar to Thracia. Binding Blade is very mediocre in comparison to future installments aswell from what I heard, Western fans don't like Roy as much because FE6 simply wasn't as good as the ones that were released outside Japan, it's like playing Pokemon ORAS and then immediately going back to Red and Blue

He debuted in Melee but you would have to be either extremely stupid or ignorant to deny that he's not a FE rep. I used the sales example because i'm countering the stupid logic that haters use to downplay Roy or detract from his popularity. IDK why you think that about Binding Blade because it's just as good as say Rekka no Ken or Sacred Stones but that's not my point here.

As for the PKMN example, that's way to extreme of a comparison. RBY was made very late in the GB's lifespan and hence the game being very dated. A lot of people like myself play RBY, GSC and to a lesser extent RSE & DPPt for nostalgia really.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He debuted in Melee but you would have to be either extremely stupid or ignorant to deny that he's not a FE rep. I used the sales example because i'm countering the stupid logic that haters use to downplay Roy or detract from his popularity. IDK why you think that about Binding Blade because it's just as good as say Rekka no Ken or Sacred Stones but that's not my point here.

As for the PKMN example, that's way to extreme of a comparison. RBY was made very late in the GB's lifespan and hence the game being very dated. A lot of people like myself play RBY, GSC and to a lesser extent RSE for nostalgia really.

Roy debuted in Melee so he could be seen as a Melee rep. Roy isn't popular and is one of the most hated Lords in the Western fanbase, FE6's hit percentages were the same for both charcters iirc,and Roy is literlly the weakest Lord in the franchise

 

[Schnee117]

Roy debuted in Melee so he could be seen as a Melee rep. Roy isn't popular and is one of the most hated Lords in the Western fanbase, FE6's hit percentages were the same for both charcters iirc,and Roy is literlly the weakest Lord in the franchise

"On the official Japanese website for Nintendo, Roy won 1st place on the character popularity poll for Fire Emblem: Binding Blade." He's at least popular in his own game in Japan and he had a sizeable support thread here.

Wait I'm actually speaking in favour of ? Did someone spike my drink or something?

 

[Ura]

Roy debuted in Melee so he could be seen as a Melee rep. Roy isn't popular and is one of the most hated Lords in the Western fanbase, FE6's hit percentages were the same for both charcters iirc,and Roy is literlly the weakest Lord in the franchise

He debuted in Melee but he's anything but a Melee rep and if that's what you think then you're honestly stupid and/or ignorant to not only deny that but also deny that he's popular when sales figures prove you false.

Not even going to bother arguing that last bit because you're obviously doing what the FE community does best and highlight all of Roy's flaws while not mentioning his strengths like him having one of the most OP weapons in the series. And I honestly couldn't give a crap what the FE community thinks because all they ever do is worship their lord and saviour Hector and bash Roy.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

He debuted in Melee but he's anything but a Melee rep and if that's what you think then you're honestly stupid and/or ignorant to not only deny that but also deny that he's popular when sales figures prove you false.

Not even going to bother arguing that last bit because you're obviously doing what the FE community does best and highlight all of Roy's flaws while not mentioning his strengths like him having one of the most OP weapons in the series. And I honestly couldn't give a s*it what the FE community thinks because all they ever do is worship their lord and saviour Hector and bash Roy.

I was just playing Devi's Advocate, not to mention you're whining about people giving Roy flak when at the same time whining about how Hector got screwed in the RNG department in your playthrough. Again, Ike's the most popular Lord in the franchise, why not whine about him instead of Hector? Why would I say good things about something I'm arguing against? Here's something then: His Rapier is better than Eliwood's, that better? I'm not saying Roy has no merits, but the cons outweigh the pros. Especially if you want to get Roy to 20. Call Roy a situation of Tier-Induced Scrappy if you will

"On the official Japanese website for Nintendo, Roy won 1st place on the character popularity poll for Fire Emblem: Binding Blade." He's at least popular in his own game in Japan and he had a sizeable support thread here.

Wait I'm actually speaking in favour of ? Did someone spike my drink or something?

I was talking about western popularity and he was a veteran

 

[Ura]

Okay, I had a head full of steam when I made that previous post. Sorry, I just deal with this j*zz so frequently that I lose tolerance for this.

Also, getting Roy to 20 isn't hard at all. I did it in my first playthrough of the game and it was a very easy, casual thing to do. He's good VS a number of units and the ones were he struggles against can be taken out by other units. Lord characters don't have to be OHKO'ing machines. The game gives you additional units for a reason. So yeah, I would say that while he might not be as strong as some of the other lords in the series, he's most definitely not a "terrible lord" because it's not true at all. Espically in my playthrough he wasn't.