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[Godzillathewonderdog]

It was because @Neo Zero and @vaanrose saw the leaker literally play the game in front of them a significant time before release.

Something Bkupa knew about and omitted. @BKupa666 why?

Huh, somehow I missed out on the information.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Snake only fit with Brawl's artstyle, he doesn't really fit with Sm4sh's visuals at all really. Snake never fit with Nintendo, he is a true Sony character. The only reason Snake was in Brawl in the first place was a jokey request to Sakurai. The dream is over.

Ryu doesn't really fit with Nintendo characters either...your point?

Not fitting into an art style is something that I would disagree hurts Snake. If anything, that makes him that much more unique compared to the rest of the cast.

Not to mention his moveset and series. I'm fairly certain that Sakurai purposely played into the fact that he isn't a perfect fit universewise because of the codecs and him not understanding much if anything going in around him.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Huh, somehow I missed out on the information.

Yeah, Neo saw a guy play the game. That's why he stated that Ridley, Chorus Men, Dixie and Mewtwo were in. Because that guy told him.

It wasn't true as we can see but that brings up something I wanted to talk about.

The guy lied, clearly, but why?

Was he just a troll? Perhaps this was a ploy by the company to try and discredit the leakers. Neo, Van and Ninka all had become famous by that time.

Perhaps Butt Butt is the same kind of thing.

I think Butt Butt actually being in is more likely, but it's just a theory I came up with.

 

[Deleted member]

Part of the reason i want Simon Belmont is because im intrigued on how a Gothic and Barbaric character like him would look like in the World of Smash Bros.

Not Fitting Sm4sh Artstyle is a stupid argument and always was.

Regarding Snake though....

Do you think Snake could be the Male Zero Suit Samus in case he returns to Sm4sh? (if you know what i mean )

EDIT: Also Toon Link doesn't fit Brawl's Artstyle AT ALL.

 

[Champ Gold]

Yeah, Neo saw a guy play the game. That's why he stated that Ridley, Chorus Men, Dixie and Mewtwo were in. Because that guy told him.

It wasn't true as we can see but that brings up something I wanted to talk about.

The guy lied, clearly, but why?

Was he just a troll? Perhaps this was a ploy by the company to try and discredit the leakers. Neo, Van and Ninka all had become famous by that time.

Perhaps Butt Butt is the same kind of thing.

I think Butt Butt actually being in is more likely, but it's just a theory I came up with.

I think the source was misinformed, that my 2 cents.

Part of the reason i want Simon Belmont is because im intrigued on how a Gothic and Barbaric character like him would like in the World of Smash Bros.

Not Fitting Sm4sh Artstyle is a stupid argument and always was.

Regarding Snake though....

Do you think Snake could be the Male Zero Suit Samus in case he returns to Sm4sh? (if you know what i mean )

EDIT: Also Toon Link doesn't fit Brawl's Artstyle AT ALL.

Anybody who said his style would clash with Smash 4's has to remember exist. Worst excuse I heard in years, especially considering all the characters have clashing styles. (See &)

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Now it has more icons.

Needs more Crash Bandicoot

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

See, the problem is that people need to stop making such rash and definitive statements.

"There's no way Shovel Knight is getting in! Not a good choice ev4r!11!"

"K.ROOL IS TOTALLY IN BRUH."
"RIDLEY IS TOTALLY IN BRUH."
"THERE WONT BE DLC BRUH"
"NO 3RD PARTY DLC BRUH"
"ONLY 1 3RD PARTY PER COMPANY BRUH"
"MEWTWO IS THE ONLY VIABLE POKEMON TO GET IN BRUH"
"SHULK IS TOO OBSCURE BRUH"
"X LEAK IS TOTES REAL BRUH"

We don't know Jack **** about what's going on right now. There's no way to. All we know is about what has previously happened and what we actually have evidence of.

For all we know, Nintendo feels strongly about Shovel Knight and because of the upcoming Japanese release, a deal was made to add him. We have no idea. To say it, "CAN'T HAPPEN. NOPE NEVAR!" is foolish.

However, instead of enjoying the ride everybody just wants to be right. "I WISH I WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT RIGHT!" Dude, nobody cares what you predicted! Just play the game.

I swear Smash spec makes me facepalm. People treat this like a science. I seriously wonder how much people actually play the damn game. We take so much time talking about stupid things that, post release really...don't matter. Play the game. Have fun with the game.

But eh, what do I know? I'm just a foolish moderator

 

[Champ Gold]

See, the problem is that people need to stop making such rash and definitive statements.

"There's no way Shovel Knight is getting in! Not a good choice ev4r!11!"

"K.ROOL IS TOTALLY IN BRUH."
"RIDLEY IS TOTALLY IN BRUH."
"THERE WONT BE DLC BRUH"
"NO 3RD PARTY DLC BRUH"
"ONLY 1 3RD PARTY PER COMPANY BRUH"
"MEWTWO IS THE ONLY VIABLE POKEMON TO GET IN BRUH"
"SHULK IS TOO OBSCURE BRUH"
"X LEAK IS TOTES REAL BRUH"

We don't know Jack **** about what's going on right now. There's no way to. All we know is about what has previously happened and what we actually have evidence of.

For all we know, Nintendo feels strongly about Shovel Knight and because of the upcoming Japanese release, a deal was made to add him. We have no idea. To say it, "CAN'T HAPPEN. NOPE NEVAR!" is foolish.

However, instead of enjoying the ride everybody just wants to be right. "I WISH I WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT RIGHT!" Dude, nobody cares what you predicted! Just play the game.

I swear Smash spec makes me facepalm. People treat this like a science. I seriously wonder how much people actually play the damn game. We take so much time talking about stupid things that, post release really...don't matter. Play the game. Have fun with the game.

But eh, what do I know? I'm just a foolish moderator

Third Party was a mistake, it's all Kojima's fault

 

[Deleted member]

See, the problem is that people need to stop making such rash and definitive statements.

"There's no way Shovel Knight is getting in! Not a good choice ev4r!11!"

"K.ROOL IS TOTALLY IN BRUH."
"RIDLEY IS TOTALLY IN BRUH."
"THERE WONT BE DLC BRUH"
"NO 3RD PARTY DLC BRUH"
"ONLY 1 3RD PARTY PER COMPANY BRUH"
"MEWTWO IS THE ONLY VIABLE POKEMON TO GET IN BRUH"
"SHULK IS TOO OBSCURE BRUH"
"X LEAK IS TOTES REAL BRUH"

We don't know Jack **** about what's going on right now. There's no way to. All we know is about what has previously happened and what we actually have evidence of.

For all we know, Nintendo feels strongly about Shovel Knight and because of the upcoming Japanese release, a deal was made to add him. We have no idea. To say it, "CAN'T HAPPEN. NOPE NEVAR!" is foolish.

However, instead of enjoying the ride everybody just wants to be right. "I WISH I WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT RIGHT!" Dude, nobody cares what you predicted! Just play the game.

I swear Smash spec makes me facepalm. People treat this like a science. I seriously wonder how much people actually play the damn game. We take so much time talking about stupid things that, post release really...don't matter. Play the game. Have fun with the game.

But eh, what do I know? I'm just a foolish moderator

Let me help you on that:
"WE ARE NOT GONNA GET 2 MORTH CLONES BRAH"
"CHROM IS CHROMFIRMED BRAH"
"CHORUS KIDS IS 100% SHOO-IN 'CAUSE SNAKEY SPIRIT BRUH"
"NO MOAR MARIO CHARACTERS 'CAUSE ROSEY BRUH"

 

[Wintropy]

"PALUTENA IS TOTALLY CONFIRMED U GAIS"

Life is good~ ;3

 

[Deleted member]

"PALUTENA IS TOTALLY CONFIRMED U GAIS"

Life is good~ ;3

I wish my most wanted characters were this Lucky.......

 

[Champ Gold]

Let me help you on that:
"WE ARE NOT GONNA GET 2 MERTH CLONES BRAH"
"CHROM IS CHROMFIRMED IN BRAH"
"CHORUS KIDS IS 100% SHOO-IN 'CAUSE SNAKEY SPIRIT BRUH"
"NO MOAR MARIO CHARACTERS 'CAUSE ROSEY BRUH"

Cult of Personality called Gemastu.

Man, I hated those times. And I never want them back.

That whole thing made me sour the Chorus Kids and Chrom was already on my ****list due to people proclaiming he was replacing .

Also poor & were stuck in that situation where they didn't belong, especially

 

[Swamp Sensei]

At the same time @ Scoliosis Jones
Mocking those that were adamant about those facts is feeding the "I wanna be right," mindset.

Because the "right" people get to say things like that.


Maybe we shouldn't speculate at all, wow.

 

[Deleted member]

We should keep in mind that we speculate just because of pure boredom. Not because we want to prove our Intellectual superiority.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I simply cannot wait until October when the ballot finally closes.

I am so starved for ballot news.

I imagine we all are.

Just...

Man.

No Nintendo Directs or anything like them has been making the wait painful. Please Nintendo, before I start my fall semester, give me some Smash-related news soon.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

At the same time @ Scoliosis Jones
Mocking those that were adamant about those facts is feeding the "I wanna be right," mindset.

Because the "right" people get to say things like that.


Maybe we shouldn't speculate at all, wow.

My point is more so why we shouldn't care though. People think they know everything, but they hardly ever do. It has never gone away, and it probably never will.

Hence further reasoning for me to talk about fun stuff like gameplay instead of sales. Post release, nobody gives a **** about sales anymore. The characters are in the game.

Sales don't convince me to like a character. What convinces me to like a character is what they can do when I play as them. Saying stuff about sales is good in proper context. But when the context is about a game that we, you know, play, it's important to address what the consumer does with the end product. We play it. THAT is what matters.

That's not to say that other factors don't matter, but to the average consumer who doesn't really care how much money a character made, they need a reason to buy the game. Sure, characters in Brawl had plenty of flashy sales to talk about because they were superstars. Dedede, Meta Knight, Diddy Kong. They are big names compared to what we're getting now.

This isnt Brawl anymore though. Most of the superstars are already there. The number one criteria Sakurai always talks about is uniqueness. That's a reason I hold that as mine as well.

 

[Deleted member]

I simply cannot wait until October when the ballot finally closes.

I am so starved for ballot news.

I imagine we all are.

Just...

Man.

No Nintendo Directs or anything like them has been making the wait painful. Please Nintendo, before I start my fall semester, give me some Smash-related news soon.

By the time we get more Smash news, we are going to look like this:

 

[Koopaul]

It's controversial opinion time!

I see a lot of people wanting a Rhythm Heaven character. Some people say that they'd represent a game genre that no other character has so far. Music. However, I always felt as if a Rhythm Heaven character would do a very poor job representing and conveying "music" as a theme.

One of the problems with Rhythm Heaven is that the characters from it are doing actions and activities that have little to do with music on its own. Whether it's the Ringside Wrestler or Karate Joe, their actual actions aren't musical themselves. It's only when those actions are paired with music playing in the background that they become musical.

Imagine a casual player of Smash seeing Karate Joe punch and kick bombs around the stage. He'd be a cool character I'm sure, but in the game of Smash he'd hardly show off Rhythm Heaven's musical roots. I child might think, "Oh he must be from some sort of fighting game."

This is another reason why I'm such a big advocate of Barbara. Unlike a Rhythm Heaven character, Barbara's moves would be based entirely around using instruments to fight. When the same child see's Barbara on the battlefield smacking people with her guitar or drumming on a foe's head, he might think, "Oh she must be from some sort of music game."


So let me get this straight. I don't think Rhythm Heaven shouldn't have a character or that the character would be bad. I'm saying that Rhythm Heaven would do a poor job conveying a "music" theme into the battlefield.

 

[Deleted member]

Im pretty sure Singing is a musical action. (hence the Chorus Kids beign seen as the Defacto choice, something that i personally disagree with)

 

[Koopaul]

Yeah there are some characters in Rhythm Heaven that do use musical actions. That Tambourine monkey, that Rap Girl, the Idol Singer girl... and so on.

Either way, I feel Barbara is naturally a better choice as a character.

 

[Doctor3AM]

Idk, I just think Frogger fits more.

 

[Deleted member]

Idk, I just think Frogger fits more.

Are you Implying Frogger would be a musical character?

 

[SmashChu]

Ryu doesn't really fit with Nintendo characters either...your point?

Not fitting into an art style is something that I would disagree hurts Snake. If anything, that makes him that much more unique compared to the rest of the cast.

Not to mention his moveset and series. I'm fairly certain that Sakurai purposely played into the fact that he isn't a perfect fit universewise because of the codecs and him not understanding much if anything going in around him.

Not sure how Ryu doesn't fit. If that's the case, then neither do the other humaniod characters. Ryu's popularity exploded on the SNES, which is why all of his sound effects, sans voices, are from that game.

Snake's issue isn't just looks, though that is part of it. It's also his tone. Snake had to be changed a lot in order to fit in the game. Snake was restricted to explosive weapons and a lot of his moves had to be toned down during development. He doesn't fit into Smash because he is more realistic and grittier. Brawl was a darker game and had a higher rating so it worked better there than here.

 

[Deleted member]

Not this "Snake not fitting in the game" bull again.......

EDIT: I will say again that Toon Link doesn't fit Brawl's Artstyle.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Characters "not fitting" is the point.

It's a crossover.

 

[Oasis Dealer]

Not sure how Ryu doesn't fit. If that's the case, then neither do the other humaniod characters. Ryu's popularity exploded on the SNES, which is why all of his sound effects, sans voices, are from that game.

Snake's issue isn't just looks, though that is part of it. It's also his tone. Snake had to be changed a lot in order to fit in the game. Snake was restricted to explosive weapons and a lot of his moves had to be toned down during development. He doesn't fit into Smash because he is more realistic and grittier. Brawl was a darker game and had a higher rating so it worked better there than here.

Eh...this is debatable honestly.

The only moves that come to mind that were changed were the animation to his neutral grab, and his down-b. Other than that, what other moves that he used had to be "toned down?" He uses standard punches and kicks, and a lot are based off of stuff he does in his own games (CQC, especially in his grabs). And regarding explosives, that is something to note for Snake. We do know Snake was restricted from guns due to Sakurai's thinking. However, it's not like the explosives were something that were just randomly chosen. All of them have had their place in the MGS. Even the grenade is something I couldn't see being an issue (Shiek does have one, and it does look similar to Snake's). And him fitting into the roster I see more of as an opinion honestly. We're not exactly sure as to how Snake would look, however there is a good mock up to show how he looks against other characters on the roster.

Spoiler

To go along with that, I feel like Smash is a way to bring characters together regardless of how they look. You look at Fire Emblem or Metroid's tone or style, then you look at Kirby or Pikmin. In the end, it's all about bringing together Nintendo and 3rd party guests together in one giant Nintendo fighting game.

And seeing some of the stuff that happens in MGS, it's FAR from realistic (However, I feel like you're talking more about the character himself and not the franchise. Even then, you have a characters like Little Mac, Samus, and Captain Falcon who look the most human. They don't stand out, and neither does Snake).

 

[Deleted member]

Smash Bros is a game in which a Pink Puffball gets to punch a Monkey in the face.
You can also make a cartoony plumber kick a Pseudo-Anime looking character like Shulk or Pit.

That's the charm of crossovers, it makes different styles and looks come together.

 

[tetrix]

This might sound stupid but let me explain. Remeber when we got trolled by Artsy Nomi with his Mewtwo/Rayman leak. Well ever since that occured Ubisoft has been wanting Rayman in smash. Now to the present.....Lucas was annouced in June with a unxpecting new dlc character. So what if Mazahiro Sakurai does it again. In a nutshell I'm saying what if he brings Rayman along with the new dlc character in october.

 

[Doctor3AM]

You could always have both Frogger and Snake.

 

[Deleted member]

So....i assume most people here agree that the 2 "Marios" are all that's left for Character DLC, right?

 

[~Krystal~]

Not sure how Ryu doesn't fit. If that's the case, then neither do the other humaniod characters. Ryu's popularity exploded on the SNES, which is why all of his sound effects, sans voices, are from that game.

Snake's issue isn't just looks, though that is part of it. It's also his tone. Snake had to be changed a lot in order to fit in the game. Snake was restricted to explosive weapons and a lot of his moves had to be toned down during development. He doesn't fit into Smash because he is more realistic and grittier. Brawl was a darker game and had a higher rating so it worked better there than here.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you here. Snake never needed handguns or rifles to faithfully portray his character. His missions are usually on-site-procurement, meaning he starts with no weapons and uses whatever happens to be laying around the compound at the time. If he's lucky, he'll start with a tranquilizer gun like he did in MGS 2. Furthermore, MGS generally discourages the use of firearms except for when its time for a mandated gun fight due to all attention they draw. Most players will tell you that finishing the mission on high alert is next to impossible. The guns were never a crucial part of Snake's character, and the canon hand-to-hand moves he uses in Brawl were taken verbatim from his games. So, I can't agree with the notion he was toned down as no one weapon was ever consistently on his person and his CQC stuff is perfectly intact. And it's not as if his moveset was left wanting by an inability to whip out a semi-automatic pistol.

'd

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Man, this news drought is really getting to me.
After they released that K. Rool costume, I just couldn't figure out what they could possibly be scheming for the new DLC character....
I mean, who else can compare to K. Rool in the ballot? The only names that really come to mind are Ridley, Rayman, Shovel Knight, Wolf and Shantae.

But come on now, K. Rool was requested WAYYY more then they were...right? This doesn't make sense unless it's the Meta Knight mask ploy all over again..? :/

 

[JaidynReiman]

Man, this news drought is really getting to me.
After they released that K. Rool costume, I just couldn't figure out what they could possibly be scheming for the new DLC character....
I mean, who else can compare to K. Rool in the ballot? The only names that really come to mind are Ridley, Rayman, Shovel Knight, Wolf and Shantae.

But come on now, K. Rool was requested WAYYY more then they were...right? This doesn't make sense unless it's the Meta Knight mask ploy all over again..? :/

Personally, I think its a Meta Knight mask ploy, especially since now they're promoting K. Rool as a "Retro" character costume in the game itself (in the top banner). I honestly believe K. Rool will be the next character revealed at this point, the only question I have is when.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Personally, I think its a Meta Knight mask ploy, especially since now they're promoting K. Rool as a "Retro" character costume in the game itself (in the top banner). I honestly believe K. Rool will be the next character revealed at this point, the only question I have is when.

I also wonder...how?
Will they be making trailer for him like the other newcomers? I mean, Ryu's trailer didn't even feature any montage outside of regular gameplay. I'm really dying to see a new cutscene like the ones we got before the game's release...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Not sure how Ryu doesn't fit. If that's the case, then neither do the other humaniod characters. Ryu's popularity exploded on the SNES, which is why all of his sound effects, sans voices, are from that game.

Snake's issue isn't just looks, though that is part of it. It's also his tone. Snake had to be changed a lot in order to fit in the game. Snake was restricted to explosive weapons and a lot of his moves had to be toned down during development. He doesn't fit into Smash because he is more realistic and grittier. Brawl was a darker game and had a higher rating so it worked better there than here.

Ike doesn't fit in the Wario Ware stage. A large portion of the roster doesn't. Even Bowser and Jr. appear to have different art syles and they're from the same series.

His moveset being toned down (first I've heard of that) didn't really matter considering he turned out to be one of the most unique characters in the game.

Ryu doesn't fit in the context that a large portion of his series isn't known for the NES. The newer SF games have been on other consoles. We weren't talking about his looks necessarily. Though he does look a tad...weird in a way compared to others. Not complaining though, he's one of my favorites.

Brawl had a higher rating because of "cartoon violence" and "crude humor". Neither or those exclusive to Snake, and even if they were it was probably was because of the codecs...at which point they could either be edited or cut.

If you've ever played MGS, it would be obvious that the tone isn't " dark". MGS is silly a lot of the time. It isn't gory.

Not to mention, if Snake had appeared in Melee, he would have been designed to fit into the art style. The same would work here.

 

[Wintropy]

Sakurai endorsed Snake in Brawl. He evidently didn't think it was an issue.

Why should we?

 

[Bedoop]

Remember, it was Snake's decision to be in Brawl and not Smash 4, poyo.
It was a once-in-a-lifetime chance.

 

[Wintropy]

Remember, it was Snake's decision to be in Brawl and not Smash 4, poyo.
It was a once-in-a-lifetime chance.

Good things there are multiple Snakes~ ;3

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The "doesn't fit" argument makes no sense to me.

Does half the roster not fit because of the Lylat system? Samus doesn't fit in the Mushroom Kingdom. Is she not a good fit for Smash?

The Fire Emblem characters look silly on the Woolly World stage. Eh, not a good fit. Fox doesn't look right on The Bridge of Eldin.

Point is that "crossover" means that there will be silly things happening. Universes are going to collide. Nintendo characters already don't fit by design, so it's irrelevant.

 

[Aetheri]

Let's drop the whole 'not fit for Smash' argument because...
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