Official DLC Character Discussion Thread - Read the new sticky/announcement

[Diddy Kong]

His name is Mike Jones

Europe and Japan: Literally, who?

 

[Wintropy]

I think people confuse "recency" with "relevance".

A character can have disappeared from public view for years and still remain relevant. Likewise, a character can be a regular feature in modern games and ultimately be irrelevant.

 

[Pazzo.]

I think people confuse "recency" with "relevance".

A character can have disappeared from public view for years and still remain relevant. Likewise, a character can be a regular feature in modern games and ultimately be irrelevant.

For instance: Ness and Lucas?

 

[Wintropy]

For instance: Ness and Lucas?

Exactly.

I was also thinking of characters like K. Rool and, I daresay, Duck Hunt.

 

[Pazzo.]

Exactly.

I was also thinking of characters like K. Rool and, I daresay, Duck Hunt.

It's interesting to note that all our 'Retro' characters in SSB4 are related in some way to Gunpei Yokoi.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't like saying recent anymore, to be more accurate I'd personally say a lack of appearance in their respective established franchise or a character from a non-character represented franchise not having a new game in a while. (retros don't apply)

 

[Deleted member]

Europe and Japan: Literally, who?

It has also its fans in Europe too.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Startropics came out in Europe if I recall.

 

[Ura]

So basically this is more or less how the newcomers are chosen to be in a Smash game.

> 3-5 Characters that are heavily requested by the fanbase
> 2-3 Characters that are in the game because Nintendo or a 2nd Party company asks for the character to be in
> 1 or 2 Retro characters
- 1 WTF character that throws people off

Based off Brawl and Sm4sH, I think this is the general formula Sakurai uses.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I don't think the second one really applies. I think the Pokemon should be its own category.

 

[Deleted member]

So basically this is more or less how the newcomers are chosen to be in a Smash game.
>Indeterminable amount of characters that are popular requests.
>Indeterminable amount of characters added mainly for their uniqueness.
>One secret character meant to defy expectations (i.e. G&W, R.O.B., Duck Hunt).
>Indeterminable amount of last-minute clones added later in development.

Fixed.

 

[BluePikmin11]

My POV:
>Indeterminable amount of characters added mainly for their uniqueness, promotion, and/or importance to the franchise and popular. (Or franchise importance itself if it's from an unrepresented series)
>Indeterminable amount of characters added mainly for their uniqueness, promotion, and/or importance to the franchise despite not being popular. (Or franchise importance itself if it's from an unrepresented series)
>One secret character meant to defy expectations with some sort of historical importance. (i.e. G&W, R.O.B., Duck Hunt).
>One "classic" character that has gotten a recent successful game or is getting revived by Sakurai.
>One Pokemon newcomer. (I think Pokemon is its own thing)
>Indeterminable amount of last-minute clones added later in development.

 

[Aetheri]

I don't think trying to break these down into categories is really the best way of determining Sakurai's thought process...It pretty much means there is a specific quota that needs to be filled and that Sakurai will add a character to fill said quota instead of for what he/she brings to the game...

 

[Pazzo.]

Sakurai isn't a machine. Attempting to predict him is like predicting the weather just based on the day before.

You may be close, or even right, but you really cannot tell.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I don't think trying to break these down into categories is really the best way of determining Sakurai's thought process...It pretty much means there is a specific quota that needs to be filled and that Sakurai will add a character to fill said quota instead of for what he/she brings to the game...

The point I was trying to make is that Sakurai adds who he wants. There's some common trends (usually a WTF character, usually a Retro character), but there's no real consistency overall.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sakurai isn't Mother Nature :9, unlike weather, Sakurai actually states some of the ways a character can get chosen, and it's not really randomized at all.

 

[False Sense]

Sakurai isn't Mother Nature :9, unlike weather, Sakurai actually states some of the ways a character can get chosen, and it's not really randomized at all.

Still, he's only human. He doesn't operate entirely by a specific, predictable formula. He has his own ideas, opinions, and unique thought process that not only do we not fully comprehend, but also changes over time. At the end of the day, we're only fans, and it's virtually impossible for us to truly see everything from Sakurai's point of view.

 

[BluePikmin11]

He can be a little unpredictable, but I don't think he'll change change his high standards when it comes to choosing the right Nintendo newcomers.

 

[False Sense]

He can be a little unpredictable, but I don't think he'll change change his high standards when it comes to choosing the right Nintendo newcomers.

 

[Kenith]

That wasn't really a standard though. He passed on the Villager for a completely unrelated reason.
His actual standards have pretty much never changed.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The current one he has right now is what I was referring, yes that includes Villager.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Double post for an update:

New Update:

* Donkey Kong Jr.:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll381325x565293df-15

* Gengar:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll381323x0d8E48A3-15

* Medusa:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll381327x6211468C-15

And Goku!

....

Wait what's happening here?!

There should be poll here somewh---

* zzzbt*

* Snake:
http://www.poll-maker.com/poll381329x247ce8Bb-15

Go vote.

 

[Rockaphin]

Did anyone else think that Villager would use the fishing rod for a recovery? I remember thinking that pre-Brawl.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Did anyone else think that Villager would use the fishing rod for a recovery? I remember thinking that pre-Brawl.

If it's for the sake of killing the "Villager IS the Balloon Fighter" argument, then sure. Not like it really matters since both characters can clearly function differently.

 

[Rockaphin]

If it's for the sake of killing the "Villager IS the Balloon Fighter" argument, then sure. Not like it really matters since both characters can clearly function differently.

Wait, people say that they are the same person?

...

I don't remember hearing about this lol. I guess the mayor found a new hobby to do in his spare time. Not like he really does much.

 

[Pazzo.]

Sakurai isn't Mother Nature :9, unlike weather, Sakurai actually states some of the ways a character can get chosen, and it's not really randomized at all.

Of course he isn't. It's a comparison, which will never be perfect.

Like I stated, we can predict characters, and be right... Or we could be completely wrong. @ False Sense already pointed out Villager. WFT. Dark Pit.

So sure, we may predict, and be correct... Or not. It's almost chaos theory, to be blunt.

And, it's very inaccurate to imply that the weather is random.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Wait, people say that they are the same person?

...

I don't remember hearing about this lol.

Believe it or not, people still use that argument as a reason why the Baloon Fighter shouldn't be a fighter to this day. Even when he started to gain that moment due to a certain recent event. I know, people are probably the dumbest creatures alive (hence my signature).

 

[Kenith]

I'm embittered to Balloon Fighter because of that extremely distasteful bandwagon push recently.
Not to mention it doesn't interest me at all.

 

[Pazzo.]

Balloon Fighter wouldn't be a bad choice.

I won't vote for him, but I'm sure he'd be neat.

 

[Ura]

Wow! People sorta disliked what I had to say about newcomers huh?

That was just a general observation of how the roster is chosen. Of course theirs other things to keep in mind like uniqueness () and last minute clones () but that's generally Sakurai's process more or less.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Did anyone else think that Villager would use the fishing rod for a recovery? I remember thinking that pre-Brawl.

The way I saw it, the Fishing Rod would have been perfect for a tether recovery like Link's Clawshot, but given that the Villager's Balloon Trip recovery is already one of the best recovery moves in the game, it's understandable why they wouldn't include it lest they make him overpowered. At least I got the axe. (Yes, I legitimately wanted the axe long before the psycho Villager was even a thing.)

 

[Doctor3AM]

My wish is to change Villager's recovery to the Fishing Rod, and then add back the Ice Climbers with more moves based off of the other NES Action Games (Clu Clu Land, Balloon Fight, Urban Champion, etc)

 

[Ura]

KO'ing Villager tends to be quite a chore with his recovery and stuff. I guess it makes up for him being rather low on the tier list.

 

[A Distant Demon]

KO'ing Villager tends to be quite a chore with his recovery and stuff. I guess it makes up for him being rather low on the tier list.

*turns on customs*
welcome to hell.

Villager is low? wut?

 

[Skyblade12]

My POV:
>Indeterminable amount of characters added mainly for their uniqueness, promotion, and/or importance to the franchise and popular. (Or franchise importance itself if it's from an unrepresented series)
>Indeterminable amount of characters added mainly for their uniqueness, promotion, and/or importance to the franchise despite not being popular. (Or franchise importance itself if it's from an unrepresented series)

Given that these two criteria are exactly the same, except for the popularity, and that you yourself claim that the numbers of both are "indeterminable", wouldn't it make a lot more sense to rewrite them both as a single argument without popularity being a factor?

I mean, if popularity doesn't affect the number of characters either criteria allows to get into the game, why include it in the list at all?

 

[Pazzo.]

If we're going to be objective about anything, in this case Samurai's mercurial reasoning, we need proof.

Does anyone, for instance, have that quote where he outlined how he chooses characters?

 

[Snagrio]

He can be a little unpredictable, but I don't think he'll change change his high standards when it comes to choosing the right Nintendo newcomers.

A little unpredictable? A LIT-

Son, Sakurai's thing is being unpredictable. Throwing curveballs and keeping the fans guessing (leaks not withstanding) is all part of the game for him.

 

[Arcadenik]

A little unpredictable? A LIT-

Son, Sakurai's thing is being unpredictable. Throwing curveballs and keeping the fans guessing (leaks not withstanding) is all part of the game for him.

Even with leaks, you have people dissecting leaks and claiming they are fake because reasons... and it turned out some of those leaks were actually real... like the leaked rosters right before Brawl and SSB4 came out... what a shocker.

 

[BluePikmin11]

When it comes to the types of newcomers he choose it's a bit easy, the only tricky part is finding out who the exact character is. (Especially retro newcomers)

 

[Snagrio]

Even with leaks, you have people dissecting leaks and claiming they are fake because reasons... and it turned out some of those leaks were actually real... like the leaked rosters right before Brawl and SSB4 came out... what a shocker.

To be fair, when leaks come out on a practically daily basis during such times, it's only natural even those that are eventually proven to be genuine articles are looked upon with suspicion.