tomtom0919
Smash Cadet
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I was wondering....Is it true the some charachters have weaknesses against others? I noticed its harder to beat pikachu with charachters who don't have good recovories.
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distinct character advantages.
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_kSo_
Smash Master
Thats because pikachu >>> all
also there are certain characters who are better against other certain characters however I don't think any character necessarily counters another...like CF vs fox -> fox has disadvantage and fox vs Jiggly -> jiggs has disadvantage. things like that...
also there are certain characters who are better against other certain characters however I don't think any character necessarily counters another...like CF vs fox -> fox has disadvantage and fox vs Jiggly -> jiggs has disadvantage. things like that...
Wenbobular
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He probably wants more specific examples.
The example of Fox vs Jiggs goes something like this.
Fox advantages:
Blaster spam
Floatiness = Fair/Bair chains
Low weight = Usmash/Uair kills
Fox disadvantages
Relatively predictable recovery
Fthrow --> Rest is unavoidable if caught in throw, but usually not deadly
...Comboed easily?
Jiggs advantages
Aerial Combos
Fthrow --> Rest
Good horizontal recovery
Jiggs disadvantages
Low weight
Really bad vertical recovery
Yeah, Fox has the upper hand because Jiggs's disadvantages are really glaring in this matchup. More general comments - Fox's Fair and Bair have some disgusting priority attached, and it makes like harder for Jiggs to get close. Lots of blaster also limits approach and general movement.
The example of Fox vs Jiggs goes something like this.
Fox advantages:
Blaster spam
Floatiness = Fair/Bair chains
Low weight = Usmash/Uair kills
Fox disadvantages
Relatively predictable recovery
Fthrow --> Rest is unavoidable if caught in throw, but usually not deadly
...Comboed easily?
Jiggs advantages
Aerial Combos
Fthrow --> Rest
Good horizontal recovery
Jiggs disadvantages
Low weight
Really bad vertical recovery
Yeah, Fox has the upper hand because Jiggs's disadvantages are really glaring in this matchup. More general comments - Fox's Fair and Bair have some disgusting priority attached, and it makes like harder for Jiggs to get close. Lots of blaster also limits approach and general movement.
cmasterchoe
Smash Journeyman
there are definitely character advantages, but it would be more helpful if you were referring to a specific matchup rather than being general. it would help us to give more appropriate examples of what you are talking about.
JaimeHR
Smash Ace
greenblob
Smash Lord
Fox outranges Jiggs, both with his Lasers and with his melee attacks. All Jiggs can do is hope for a shield grab or perhaps a missed Z-cancel or laggy attack. They can both 0-death combo each other well enough though.
In general, if character A can combo character B at a wide range of percents, character A has the advantage.
In general, if character A can combo character B at a wide range of percents, character A has the advantage.
I'm a fan of this quote. Mainly the part where you take very obvious stuff, complicate it, and disguise it as a thought.
I'm just ****in with ya.
CF doesn't have advantage over Fox. o.o If Fox stays low on the air attacks there's nothing wrong with it.
I don't like picking some characters against others, though. It does affect gameplay a little. For example, if I pick Link and they pick Mario, it's like... hmm... ****. Fireball spams are gonna mess up my boomerangs. Yeah. xD I know it's just minor but it's like that. Also like, Luigi vs. Mario, or Jiggly, or other fast recovers, is really annoying but not too much of a problem I guess. Actually pretty much all fast recovers are a pain in the ***. I usually take Samus to take care of them. xD She doesn't need too many combos to win.
I don't like picking some characters against others, though. It does affect gameplay a little. For example, if I pick Link and they pick Mario, it's like... hmm... ****. Fireball spams are gonna mess up my boomerangs. Yeah. xD I know it's just minor but it's like that. Also like, Luigi vs. Mario, or Jiggly, or other fast recovers, is really annoying but not too much of a problem I guess. Actually pretty much all fast recovers are a pain in the ***. I usually take Samus to take care of them. xD She doesn't need too many combos to win.
greenblob
Smash Lord
Just doing my job. Spend 12 years at public school and you'll get very good at this.I'm a fan of this quote. Mainly the part where you take very obvious stuff, complicate it, and disguise it as a thought.
I'm just ****in with ya.
Anyway, back on point: the main aspects in decreasing importance is the ability to combo (includes finishing off the character), range/priority, recovery, and the ability to avoid getting comboed. And there's some overlap: recovery is kinda part of the ability to avoid getting comboed since a part of comboing is finishing off your opponent, and range/priority can be a part of comboing since you need this to land the first hit.
And yeah, in a nutshell, combo and don't get comboed.
Dash_Fox
Smash Ace
No character have advantage over others. This video proves it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sK3AqFYAWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sK3AqFYAWQ
_kSo_
Smash Master
oh man i love those comments for videos like this with the porn advertising and stuff
LOLLL
_kSo_
Smash Master
Jigglymaster
Smash Hero
Captain Falcon counters Pikachu so you would have to watch out for that too.
Dash_Fox
Smash Ace
I hope this is a joke post. :/
Jigglymaster
Smash Hero
Nope, its the dead truth. And if you were just being sarcastic on your post I cant tell because I didn't hear it and I suck at getting jokes.
_kSo_
Smash Master
falcon only has advantage against pika on Dreamland
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Pikachu is the best character in the game. Falcon, is a punching bag and could be comboed by an 80 year old ******** acid-stoned tortoise.
No. pikachu just plain owns on dreamland. Koso combos cant do jack to stop the pika.
So to put it plainly, if you think falcon has any sort of advantage over pika, you're wrong.
If you think falcon is wayyyy cooler than pika, you're darn right.
No. pikachu just plain owns on dreamland. Koso combos cant do jack to stop the pika.
So to put it plainly, if you think falcon has any sort of advantage over pika, you're wrong.
If you think falcon is wayyyy cooler than pika, you're darn right.
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
pika > falcon on any stage
dreamland...pika throws falcon off the stage then.....edgeguarding! rofl stfu noobs
dreamland...pika throws falcon off the stage then.....edgeguarding! rofl stfu noobs
_kSo_
Smash Master
falcon vs pika on dreamland
fthrow -> fair -> uair -> upb = death
pika has nowhere to run, however superboom is right that one throw off the edge and edge guard with pika and falcon is basically dead. so i guess on dreamland, there is no advantage its just somewhat even battle? i dunno valoem always argued with me that falcon has advantage on dreamland vs pika. or a lot of characters for that matter.
fthrow -> fair -> uair -> upb = death
pika has nowhere to run, however superboom is right that one throw off the edge and edge guard with pika and falcon is basically dead. so i guess on dreamland, there is no advantage its just somewhat even battle? i dunno valoem always argued with me that falcon has advantage on dreamland vs pika. or a lot of characters for that matter.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
DI
Its way harder, however, to DI a combo that starts with a fthrow to shuair, then is just basically as many uairs as you can squeeze in according to your opponents DI to up B. Really bland, really gay, but effective.
With the fair combo, you can DI both kicks and completly avoid the upair, Ive seen it done countless times with falcon, so with pika it should be even easier.
greenblob
Smash Lord
Both Falcon and Pika can 0-death combo each other very effectively. If Falcon misses his finisher, though, he's screwed. If Pika misses his finisher, he at least has a few options. Pika's recovery and edgeguard also pwns Falcon's recovery and edgeguard.
As for approach, Pika has a projectile. Their hitboxes and speed are more or less equal.
As for approach, Pika has a projectile. Their hitboxes and speed are more or less equal.
Pika definitely has advantage over Falcon on Dreamland, but not as much as some people think
Keep in mind Valoem is a pika/kirby player so obviously he is going to argue pika doesnt have advantage
Also, I think Fox has advantage over pika in hyrule... Pika owns fox on the left side but fox can do better in the center and **** tent
Keep in mind Valoem is a pika/kirby player so obviously he is going to argue pika doesnt have advantage
Also, I think Fox has advantage over pika in hyrule... Pika owns fox on the left side but fox can do better in the center and **** tent
greenblob
Smash Lord
But the short wall next to the sloping edge on the left side kills Fox's laser camping. Against a Fox player on Hyrule, you can just camp there.