Disney Pop Stars Mafia | GAME OVER I WONDER WHO WON IT REEKS OF PERFUME

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Vote Count

KevinM (1) - SummonerAU
Bunglefever (1) - Gheb_01
Gheb_01 (1) - Mayling
Mayling (1) - Chaco
Vult Redux (1) - Cello_Marl

Not Voting (8) - Tom, ChiboSempai, KevinM, Bunglefever, Vult Redux, Tandora, Delvro, Nix2100

With 13 alive, it takes a vote of 7 to lynch!

 

[Chaco]

Because he voted him for using a game as an example.

 

[Mayling]

stop calling, stop calling, i don't wanna talk anymore

Yes, actually!

I've seen you play before, so you're the first person who came to mind looking at the player list.

Oh. Well. Hello then. May I ask what game? Thank you.

Why? Why? Why? Why?

*uses toothpaste on Vult's scratchy parts*

@Chaco, Vult, and others:

I find the reference to l4s scummy because it was a couple games back. I guess there might or might not be other games to reference; maybe newbie 4? (That one was newer, I think.) but the problem with referencing l4s is the role of "survivor" in which you win only if you *survive* (in this sense, we are not part of a community of townies) in my opinion made the mind set of every individual playing that game different than being a regular townie. Town didn't just flounder because of inactivity, but also because of the general mindset of everyone. I agree that inactivity is bad and all, it was just the general approach, abruptness, etc that made this seem out of the woodwork.

At least, I know, for one that my mind set will change simply based on the role I'm given, even if they both happen to be town.

tandora, opinions pls.

 

[Vult Redux]

Vult, why are you only trying to appear useful instead of actually processing information and aiding the town?

At this point I'm not processing information; only generating it.

You avoided my question in Post 22. Please answer it.

Aren't you upset that Delvro didn't answer your question yet?

Please elaborate on "trying to appear to be useful". You don't think my questions have been useful? Why not?

 

[Vult Redux]

First of all, EVERYBODY BE AS ACTIVE AS YOU CAN!!! Town got buttraped in L4S because half the town was simply not playing. Additionally SWF towns are pretty bad at finding scum without the help of PRs so everybody should really put most of their effort into this game.

@ Cello: Do you think the above falls under "trying to appear to be useful" [given that asking people to be active and "put most of their effort in" probably won't make much of a difference on how the players play and is thus filler-y]?

Also, you missed and/or avoided Mayling's question:

why do you buddy me

-

Oh. Well. Hello then. May I ask what game? Thank you.

I'm an incognito and/or alt! I can't give myself away! Shhhhh!

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Redux: Why should I have assumed you prefer RQS? There is no reason. That is my reason.

On to real points, actually just one.

Broken record post.

You went out of your way to put a face next to Marshy's "response". Obviously, that means you are at least processing the words themselves, since it's evident that the understand the word "replace". However, Marshy isn't even in this game. Why get mad then? It's obvious that you were just responding to the word "replace" and placed an "appropriate" emoticon.

May took that to be buddying. So did you. I just wanted to say MandarinOrange.

About Gheb: No. There are four people here that he hasn't played as town with, and at least 3 never at all. He doesn't bother to read other games as far as I'm aware, and that is consistent with his personality, i.e. a null-tell. I don't think consistency is a town tell, just null. Amounts to the same thing though.

About Delvro: No.

Maybe McFox's idea wasn't a bad one. I kid.

 

[Mayling]

I'm an incognito and/or alt! I can't give myself away! Shhhhh! [/QUOTE

:o really? can't say?

 

[Vult Redux]

@Redux: You went out of your way to put a face next to Marshy's "response". Obviously, that means you are at least processing the words themselves, since it's evident that the understand the word "replace". However, Marshy isn't even in this game. Why get mad then? It's obvious that you were just responding to the word "replace" and placed an "appropriate" emoticon.

I got mad because her wanting to replace out may in the long run be detrimental for my first game played at this site. I hate when people don't keep to their commitments. It also flows with the post and adds humor to it! I sometimes get concerned that I come off to seriously of a player. I don't want anyone to get confused about me by taking my playstyle as their first impression of me.

Nonsense aside, I don't see where you're going with this. It doesn't at all prove that I'm "trying to appear to be helpful", nor does it prove that my focus is baiting information rather than using it [not that that has any indication of my alignment, does it?].

How much experience do you have with the game [in general], if you don't mind me asking...?

 

[Mayling]

Marshy meant that she wanted to be a replacement, not be replaced. So no one is getting replaced yet.

 

[Tandora]

@Chaco, Vult, and others:

I find the reference to l4s scummy because it was a couple games back. I guess there might or might not be other games to reference; maybe newbie 4? (That one was newer, I think.) but the problem with referencing l4s is the role of "survivor" in which you win only if you *survive* (in this sense, we are not part of a community of townies) in my opinion made the mind set of every individual playing that game different than being a regular townie. Town didn't just flounder because of inactivity, but also because of the general mindset of everyone. I agree that inactivity is bad and all, it was just the general approach, abruptness, etc that made this seem out of the woodwork.

At least, I know, for one that my mind set will change simply based on the role I'm given, even if they both happen to be town.

tandora, opinions pls.

Not really sure how I can give an opinion on a game I wasn't in.

@Redux: Why should I have assumed you prefer RQS? There is no reason. That is my reason.

May took that to be buddying. So did you. I just wanted to say MandarinOrange.

Does MandarinOrange mean anything?

Marshy meant that she wanted to be a replacement, not be replaced. So no one is getting replaced yet.

Marshy is a girl?!

Sorry I'm a little quiet right now. RQS is new for me, but I like it a lot better than RVS. I'm just absorbing what everyone is saying and waiting for a lead to start.

If I think of any good questions, I'll be sure to post them.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Tanny: May doesn't want your opinions on L4S, but on what's happened so far (in this game). I think it was more of a call out because you hadn't posted up to that point.

Further elaboration on Delvro: No response is a response.

Experience: Forum: 5 months, 6.5 games counting ongoing as half, and 15.5 Days.

Offnote@Tanny: May and I were going to hydra for this game before I got tricked by Steel. Tricked! Anyway, MandarinOrange was one of the hydras I pitched to her.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I find the reference to l4s scummy because it was a couple games back. I guess there might or might not be other games to reference; maybe newbie 4? (That one was newer, I think.) but the problem with referencing l4s is the role of "survivor" in which you win only if you *survive* (in this sense, we are not part of a community of townies) in my opinion made the mind set of every individual playing that game different than being a regular townie.

False.

The obvious parallel to L4S I was refering to was the complete absence of a PR on either side. Newbie 4 doesn't fit that category - it had a Jailkeeper and a Tracker. This game is in essence a "Vanilla" game in the same way L4S was a "Vanilla" game - there are no PR reports and no claims to rely on. That is a huge reason why town lost L4S because when it came down to it town was utterly unable to do any regular scumhunting and inactivity of half the town was a huge factor why it didn't work. I can't believe that you think the lesson I learned from this game - and that everybody is supposed to have learned - appears scummy to you.

 

[KevinM]

Vote Tandorin

 

[Mayling]

I didn't realize you were referencing lack of PRs so much as the level of inactivity in that game.

First of all, EVERYBODY BE AS ACTIVE AS YOU CAN!!! Town got buttraped in L4S because half the town was simply not playing. Additionally SWF towns are pretty bad at finding scum without the help of PRs so everybody should really put most of their effort into this game.

After all, if you look at it, you do mention the level of inactivity first, and focus mainly on it. The mention of PRs is only additionally. The way you structure your syntax makes the focus fall mainly on the first sentence, and the implication that "everybody should really put most of their effort into this game" instead of assuming that everyone will be already just seems... off to me. /englishnerd

And not to metaaaaaaagame or anything, but the couple of games I've played with you since L4S, you didn't mention these things at all. Of course, you did activity police in l4s, so. Okay. I guess I'll buy it.

unvote: vote Tandora Bear

It won't work this time, Tanny.

 

[Delvro]

VOTE: TANDORA

Rah Rah Rah!

There's also 1 other person I'm suspicious of but I refuse to say right now

 

[Mayling]

Delvro, will you say why you won't say at this time?

 

[CT Chia]

Gonna read through and start the game within the hour likely

 

[CT Chia]

Vote: KevinM

Scummy answer.

What is scummy about it? I don't get it...

FoS: SummonerAU

First of all, EVERYBODY BE AS ACTIVE AS YOU CAN!!! Town got buttraped in L4S because half the town was simply not playing. Additionally SWF towns are pretty bad at finding scum without the help of PRs so everybody should really put most of their effort into this game.

Now to Cello's question:



That would probably be you and Chaco. The other players who are at least as new as yourself are harder to read for me because I have played less with them (this also includes Nix). Scumbagfever and Chibo both play like scum regardless of their allignment. They are "hard to read" in the same way Karthik King is "hard to read". Tom and Kevin are very consistent although I found Tom a bit easier to read in recent games.

My initial reaction to reading this was that you're almost trying to seem pro-town too much here, like a too-townie statement. It's sucks when stuff like that happens in other games, but obviously people know that they have to be active. It's not a widespread problem, go look at games like Pokemafia and Unintended Consequences, which are both moving quite fast. If this game were to start dying and you tell us to step up our activity thats one thing. This on the other hand...

I also don't really appreciate how you say I play scummy in every game, which is more an opinion. I have an explanation for everything I say and do, and if you find that scummy then so be it, however trying to portray me in a bad light like this is not really good and I feel like it might be used against me later in the game to make me a scapegoat for something else.

FoS: Gheb

I was fishin'

Fishing for what?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I don't play scummy until D2 or 3 usually

i don't think he's trying to portray us in a bad light as much as he is just saying the general vibe he feels from others.

 

[KevinM]

I feel completely ok with lynching X who is not me.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote Vote Kevin

Serious vote.

 

[SummonerAU]

Anything Chibo. I was trying out some stuff seeing as though I don't know how to get out of RVS well. I picked Kevin because he hadn't said much.

 

[Nix2100]

Whatever works.

RQS is good if everyone asks questions/answers them. RVS puts more pressure on people and I think is more likely to make someone do something silly.

So are you saying you would actually prefer the RVS? More often then not I see a townie get lynched to them falling to the pressure of getting bandwagoned and doing something stupid that makes them seem like scum -_- I know I have done it multiple times.


@Vult - Your posting contradictions that have me confused....in one post you claim to be incognito/alt, in another you say your upset at Marshy for wanting to be a replacement (You assumed he wanted to be replaced out) in your "first game" and yet another posts implies you've already been in a couple games here on this forum....

@Mayling - In #54 you went on a good deal about Gheb's one post...and then basically say "Ok whatever I don't care"...Was there a point to such a post other then to do....nothing?


FoS: Delvro

You don't seem to be here at all really and not posting anything useful, that and along with your voting of Tandora seems to be just to follow a bandwagon.

 

[Delvro]

lol FoS. Be a man and place down a vote


....scum

 

[Mayling]

@Mayling - In #54 you went on a good deal about Gheb's one post...and then basically say "Ok whatever I don't care"...Was there a point to such a post other then to do....nothing?

If I didn't address the situation, it would have just been left open. It's better to close down the loose ends than to leave them open like that. I said I was mistaken about his post, and pointed out the contradictions in his post, and also pointed out what I saw/noticed about his playstyle. It wasn't a post about nothing. It contained a lot of information.

Anyway, quiet/nooby Tandora = scum. That's why I moved on.

lol FoS. Be a man and place down a vote

....scum

smashboards =/= allisbrawl. they're not gonna like that here, delvro.

 

[Delvro]

What are you talking about. This place is vote crazy.

Just look at Chaco and Summoner. That's about all they've done is place votes. Not that I particularly suspect them for it.

People need to quit looking for the "obvious" scum tells. The mafia and SK aren't morons.

Telling people they're scummy because they're bandwagoning, BY ITSELF, is not good. You point fingers on somebody for not being the first to vote a dude, and you get a bunch of townies who are afraid to join the bandwagon for lynching someone. This is why the person that dies on day 1 is almost always a townie.... because mafia has so much control over the votes, due to townie wishy-washiness.

Anyway.

UNVOTE
VOTE CHIBO

 

[DtJ Jungle]

It can be seen as a scummy action if the person who is lynched turns up town. I've always viewed a wagon as votes that come in quickly with the basically reasoning 'yeah what he said' (sometimes i see people use this when others just vote the same person but with independent cases). If there are enough legitimate reasons to vote someone then, i think you're correct in saying that voting for someone who makes a lot of mistakes should die. However if you're syaing we should lynch because someone wants to wagon someone with parse reasoning, then i disagree with your last post.

 

[Delvro]

Yes don't get me wrong, watching how often people wagon is important... I just don't think it's a tool better used during late game... i.e. it's not good evidence *by itself*, as I said before.

By no means should we just brush it off and forget about people bandwagoning. I don't want you to think that's what I meant, haha.

 

[Tandora]

So are you saying you would actually prefer the RVS? More often then not I see a townie get lynched to them falling to the pressure of getting bandwagoned and doing something stupid that makes them seem like scum -_- I know I have done it multiple times.


@Vult - Your posting contradictions that have me confused....in one post you claim to be incognito/alt, in another you say your upset at Marshy for wanting to be a replacement (You assumed he wanted to be replaced out) in your "first game" and yet another posts implies you've already been in a couple games here on this forum....

@Mayling - In #54 you went on a good deal about Gheb's one post...and then basically say "Ok whatever I don't care"...Was there a point to such a post other then to do....nothing?


FoS: Delvro

You don't seem to be here at all really and not posting anything useful, that and along with your voting of Tandora seems to be just to follow a bandwagon.

I agree with your statement about RVS. Most of my Mafia is via Aim and after a while RVS makes me just want to kill someone and get to night stage. =(

I also agree with you on Vult. His playstyle is giving me scum vibes. In one post, he mentions that he knows May from a previous game, but he doesn't know what "indy" means? Really? You can play multiple games of Mafia and not know the term "indy"?

If I didn't address the situation, it would have just been left open. It's better to close down the loose ends than to leave them open like that. I said I was mistaken about his post, and pointed out the contradictions in his post, and also pointed out what I saw/noticed about his playstyle. It wasn't a post about nothing. It contained a lot of information.

Anyway, quiet/nooby Tandora = scum. That's why I moved on.



smashboards =/= allisbrawl. they're not gonna like that here, delvro.

I'm having a hard time jumping into a game feet first. I think part of it is the majority of players are new to me. When I'm in a new crowd, I like to sit back and get a vibe before speaking up. I think Mayling likes to vote on me mostly to get me into the game. Having a little pressure gets me talking. Also, she's uberparanoid about me. =3

I admit it's a little hard to vote on the sibs and Greg. When you know someone in real life, you don't really want to be "SCUUUUUUUUM".

Also, in the smashboards not allisbrawl, what is cool here? I've seen before that when voting, scum nicknames are used and it's all in good fun. What's some good etiquette here?

You know...like lists. -_-


For now - VOTE VULT.

 

[Delvro]

Yes don't get me wrong, watching how often people wagon is important... I just don't think it's a tool better used during late game... i.e. it's not good evidence *by itself*, as I said before.

By no means should we just brush it off and forget about people bandwagoning. I don't want you to think that's what I meant, haha.

Oops.... I mean I DO think it's a tool better used during late game.... need to be more careful with my posts

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Bolding your vote is the cool thing to do on SWF, Tandora.



I don't think anyones afraid to bandwagon here, Delvro, for the sake of pressure. But why shouldn't they be more concerned when it comes down to lynching? Why wouldn't you want to be mroe careful when you hold the deciding vote? When it gets down to that vote, I think that a bigger analysis needs to be done rather than just joining hte bandwagon as the last guy. It doesn't have to be done by said hammerer, and if osmeone else gives aforementioned analysis or the one being pressured doesn't respond to it in a townie like way (which i guess is subjective), then that gives way to the hammer. On that note, I feel like the one who hammered comes under far too much scrutiny too quickly when they hammer a townie. Too quick to judge, in my opinion.

 

[KevinM]

Delvro or Tanny today.

Gheb you're wrong bro .

 

[Vult Redux]

Marshy meant that she wanted to be a replacement, not be replaced. So no one is getting replaced yet.

OH.

... I see.

Further elaboration on Delvro: No response is a response.

And what do you make of it?

My initial reaction to reading this was that you're almost trying to seem pro-town too much here, like a too-townie statement. It's sucks when stuff like that happens in other games, but obviously people know that they have to be active. It's not a widespread problem, go look at games like Pokemafia and Unintended Consequences, which are both moving quite fast. If this game were to start dying and you tell us to step up our activity thats one thing. This on the other hand...

I like this post. Same reaction I had.

@Vult - Your posting contradictions that have me confused....in one post you claim to be incognito/alt, in another you say your upset at Marshy for wanting to be a replacement (You assumed he wanted to be replaced out) in your "first game" and yet another posts implies you've already been in a couple games here on this forum....

This is my first game here on this forum. I've never played here before.

I also agree with you on Vult. His playstyle is giving me scum vibes. In one post, he mentions that he knows May from a previous game, but he doesn't know what "indy" means? Really? You can play multiple games of Mafia and not know the term "indy"?

...

For now - VOTE VULT

Nope. Indy isn't used on any sites I play on.

How do you conclude that I am scum from this?

Vote: Tandora

 

[CT Chia]

I feel the same as Kevin, but I haven't discerned which one yet.

 

[SummonerAU]

People need to quit looking for the "obvious" scum tells. The mafia and SK aren't morons.

Delvro, what stops them from playing 'obvious' now that you think 'obvious' scumtells aren't as good? Why shouldn't I vote you today?

 

[Delvro]

I don't think anyones afraid to bandwagon here, Delvro, for the sake of pressure. But why shouldn't they be more concerned when it comes down to lynching? Why wouldn't you want to be mroe careful when you hold the deciding vote? When it gets down to that vote, I think that a bigger analysis needs to be done rather than just joining hte bandwagon as the last guy. It doesn't have to be done by said hammerer, and if osmeone else gives aforementioned analysis or the one being pressured doesn't respond to it in a townie like way (which i guess is subjective), then that gives way to the hammer. On that note, I feel like the one who hammered comes under far too much scrutiny too quickly when they hammer a townie. Too quick to judge, in my opinion.

I feel the same way when it comes to hammering. I think you're overanalyzing me here. I said what I said because someone got on my case for voting Tandora behind Mayling. I really don't see the point in doing that when nobody's alignment has flipped. All I see is the excuse to create a bunch of day 1 WIFOM where some poor dude gets lynched because some guy pointed out some "obvious" scum tell. I see it EVERY GAME and didn't want to see it happen this time. But I guess I was too optimistic >_>

Also, Kevinm, pretty much all I've seen from you is voting and pointing names... some opinions would be quite nice.... seeing as you are guilty of EXACTLY the same thing I am (voting Tandora without explaining yourself at all). Picking Tandora or me seems an awfully unusual choice considering.

 

[Vult Redux]

Unvote Vote Kevin

Serious vote.

Elaborate, if you wouldn't mind.

Delvro or Tanny today.

Gheb you're wrong bro .

I want to hear your opinion of Cello.

 

[Delvro]

Delvro, what stops them from playing 'obvious' now that you think 'obvious' scumtells aren't as good? Why shouldn't I vote you today?

People have scum tells that are unique to each of them, whether they're obvious or not. The failure is not treating each player as a unique case and only looking for "obvious" things, as both townies and anti-town are prone to these "obvious" scum tells, especially on day 1 when everybody is twitchy and have no long-term information to go on.

 

[Vult Redux]

I forget where your vote is, Delvro. Remind me where it is and why it's there?

 

[Delvro]

Sure, no problem. My vote is on Chibo, for two reasons.

1: Points his finger at someone simply for making a vote he doesn't agree with. I don't get the reasoning behind this. Especially considering that mafia tend to WANT to make votes that other people DO agree with, so that they can more easily blend in with the crowd.

2: Won't commit to a case. Fos'd Summoner AND Gheb, now he says me AND Tandora.... yet he hasn't placed a SINGLE vote. All he's doing is just poking around until he can get some support.

However, I have one other suspect, but I'd rather not say right now (I promise to do so before the day ends though).