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People are theorizing that they made the stagelist bad on purpose to prove a point (like proving why Pokémon Stadium with hazards on is bad, or why having four Battlefields is bad). As such, I don't mind it as much, as long as people don't actually think it's a good ruleset... Becuase it absolutely isn't. I mean, I thought most of us were hyped about getting Pokémon Stadium (2) hazardless, and that ruleset doesn't even have that stage!4 battlefields....
These stages are all legal in melee because they have pretty drastically different blast zones, that was changed in Smash 4, to the point where Dream Land is grouped with Battlefield.
Pokemon Stadium with hazards off is foolish as well, one of the transformations has a ceiling of life, it's why it was banned in Brawl.
Also still no Brinstar.
I suspect you're right. IIRC 2GG is the org that said they'd be trying out several rulesets in the initial days.
If you want to make starters hazards on, it should either be BF, FD, SV, FoD, T&C or BF, FD, SV, FoD, YI (I think the first is better). There aren't enough good hazards-on stages for 9 starters.
You said round 2, I assume you meant round 2+?
Some people have argued that PS1 should be allowed with hazards on, I suppose they wanted to "test" that (it probably won't stay legal in the long run). The current stage list is pretty bad (4 Battlefields, for instance), but hey, at least we get to test it. More data and all that.
Theoretically, yes. There could be logistical issues and, more importantly, hazards-on PS1 is a terrible stage which Melee only accept because they lack good options (and, assuming the Windmill's still solid, it's even worse than in Melee).
Not until it's shown to be in ultimate
Skyloft isn't super-unique though, it's kind of similar to Battlefield/Lylat-ish, but the sharking will be the major issue. Should be easy enough to test early on to see anyway, only about two more weeks 'til the game's released.
I was more referring to the broader idea of a stage with literally nothing to call its legality into question other than being sharkable, Skyloft just happened to be a readily available example.
Is this about that one guy on reddit?
Probably, assuming you're talking about the posts I made in the last...oh, couple of hours or so.
Based on how the track and cars weren't doing the glowy white thing during the transition? I agree, it's a solid inference. But I wish we had some unambiguous evidence, I don't like relying on conjecture if I can help it.
This is false. As can be seen through the Japan tournament footage, Jigglypuff is able to jump through the windmill platforms without being stopped by their tops, proving they are soft platforms like in Melee, ergo, no cave of life on the water transformation.
mind sharing what he said? can't find the tweet.
Please provide evidence of this.
I already said this before in a previous video, but sharking will never be a problem.
This is why if anyone says it's an issue I'm going to start demanding evidence. I'm so sick of people projecting expectations from past games onto this one. I keep hearing **** like "sharking is a problem," and yet the game isn't out yet. It's going to have the dumbasses who can't think for themselves parroting this line to justify why a stage should be banned. It's a preconceived notion that needs to stop NOW.
Small horizontal blast zones is probably more of a reason to keep it around than to bin it. I wonder if this person also thinks Yoshi's should be banned in melee for having such narrow blast zones.
I agree that this is probably the best stagelist I've seen so far. I'm personally less worried about the sharking stages and more concerned about Gamer specifically, though it looks like the list creator is as well. If push comes to shove, I think replacing it with Mushroom Kingdom U or Rainbow Cruise would be reasonable.This post on reddit by user wafflepotamus is probably the best list I've seen.
I really like the decision to only put Hazards on stages in counterpick. I personally dislike sharking stages not because of sharking, but it allows for easy recoveries like R.O.B. or King K. Rool always get back to stage no matter what if you can't edgeguard them.
So I would remove Skyloft, Prism Tower, and maybe Brinstar and maybe add in Mushroom Kingdom U to compensate.
It's mostly to reduce the risk of timeouts and camping. It's unlikely Smash Ultimate is 50% faster than Smash 4, and Smash 4 ran 6 minutes 2 stocks and still sometimes went to time.
I don't disagree, and heck, as a player, I prefer eight minutes. But that said, it's mildly concerning in terms of total time taken. I think six is too low as well, but I think seven minutes would be ideal. It so happens to be the max time for online matches, and I think it works as a nice middle ground between six and eight minutes.
I see your concern, but I think that's why the non-BF triplats are being grouped together as a separate strike from Battlefield. This makes the grouping more "Battlefield with a twist" then just straight triplats. I suppose if you wanted to make it a little more even, you could group Battlefield and Dreamland as the more "static" triplats, and then FoD and Yoshi's as the "dynamic" triplats, but that may get a little too confusing.
I agree, I also think seven would be a good start, and if it still leads to timeouts we should consider eight.
I like it. But one thing that confuses me is how people are supposed to strike down to one stage when the stages are grouped first match. Like what if it gets striked down to FD/Wiley's Castle? Which one do they play on?This post on reddit by user wafflepotamus is probably the best list I've seen.
I really like the decision to only put Hazards on stages in counterpick. I personally dislike sharking stages not because of sharking, but it allows for easy recoveries like R.O.B. or King K. Rool always get back to stage no matter what if you can't edgeguard them.
So I would remove Skyloft, Prism Tower, and maybe Brinstar and maybe add in Mushroom Kingdom U to compensate.
Here's my take on it. Personally, I feel like the person who struck before last (so not the person who chose FD) has the final say in which variant to go to. So something like:
