Diddy Kong Racing Mafia! [Finished! Town Wins!]

[Asdioh]

I was talking about the cheese.

haha.
What does ATTB mean?


@Tery since I want him to say something whenever he gets here: I believe J's miller claim. Do you think that makes me look scummy?

 

[X1-12]

you can tell me why youre so desparate to do so. Unless you are counter claiming character name then I dont see why you are so anxious to claim name. Or if you are trying to hint at something then I get it and I've figured it out

Ps if it is a name counterclaim then go right ahead

 

[Asdioh]

^ lol at somehow messing up the quote completely

 

[Asdioh]

you can tell me why youre so desparate to do so. Unless you are counter claiming character name then I dont see why you are so anxious to claim name. Or if you are trying to hint at something then I get it and I've figured it out

Ps if it is a name counterclaim then go right ahead

Nah I don't have a counterclaim. You and some others were pro-mass nameclaiming, but for some reason you want to wait.

I personally don't care, it's just something to do.

By the way, I've been saying Joey's scum because I'm getting the same vibes I got from others in previous games, where everyone seemed to just assume that person was Town for no apparent reason, or because of pseudoscumhunting, and that person ended up being scum.
Hell, in my first game people felt that way about me and I was scum. Just ask J, and possibly Kuzi. A bunch of people were willing to bet I was town when I hadn't done crap.

 

[Asdioh]

you can tell me why youre so desparate to do so. Unless you are counter claiming character name then I dont see why you are so anxious to claim name. Or if you are trying to hint at something then I get it and I've figured it out

Ps if it is a name counterclaim then go right ahead

Nah I don't have a counterclaim. You and some others were pro-mass nameclaiming, but for some reason you want to wait.

I personally don't care, it's just something to do.

By the way, I've been saying Joey's scum because I'm getting the same vibes I got from others in previous games, where everyone seemed to just assume that person was Town for no apparent reason, or because of pseudoscumhunting, and that person ended up being scum.
Hell, in my first game people felt that way about me and I was scum. Just ask J, and possibly Kuzi. A bunch of people were willing to bet I was town when I hadn't done crap.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J: Why would you want people to get guilties on you?
@J: Why would you only breadcrumb miller after the Daycop has expressed clear suspicion in you and singled you out

First one is answered because of sanities. That has already been answered.
Well I have been inactive this entire game so far and not really posting anything substancial so I thought with my first introish type post I would crumb what I was. I didn't do it just because you had singled me out cuz that would be stupid.

@J:

1.) Show examples of me being obnoxious

Obnoxious to me is a word I use alot to describe certain things, you are posting heavily, having people listen to what you say/do and overall making sure your opinion is known on something.

2.) Explain how me asking for you to be prodded/replaced is "hypocritical"

It is being hypocritical because you do not even try and prod/replace any of the others who are just as inactive as I was.

3.) Explain how Zac being uninvolved is a town-tell when you've seen him be completely uninvolved in NBC

Actually this is more because I have talked to UTD outside of games when he is scum. In one game where he was the Town Traitor he kept asking me how to help him and he was really happy to be scum is the way to take it. In NBC mafia he was having alot of fun with the Mafia Schemer role in which he was always making sure he was doing everything right and even though he was inactive in the thread does not mean he wasn't actively thinking. He tends to be inactive as a whole because he is a busy person iirc. UTD isn't uninvolved as mafia that I know. You probably didn't see it even though you were on the same scum-team as him for a day or two.

4.) Explain what you mean by saying DH used "wrong definitions"

Chainsawwing. He just can't get that definition right. AtR? He also calls AtE a scummy thing when it just isn't, though I can't remember if that was this game.

5.) Explain how good a player you think DH is and why you think he's that good, i.e give examples of his good play

I have no examples to give of "good" play because honestly he hasn't had a good game yet. He always plays for self-preservation and is just so anti-town regardless of what he is.

6.) Explain how my play is like B&F? In that game I pushed real hard for ScumCello lynch D1, then proceeded to tunnel Swiss for the rest of the game, only stopping to get kuz mislynched because of a badly put together case.

I guess the word is Vocal. In B&F I barely had to do a thing because you were leading town in almost all the wrong directions so I decided to keep you alive. It's more of a fact that you are being a major presence this game is probably what I am trying to get at because I cannot think of a game where you have done something similar where I am in it.

7.) Explain why you are looking at DH for trying to get Soup lynched when DH has clearly stated that we shouldn't lynch between the cop CCs

However by saying that he is being hypocritical. Look he says Me/Seph are scum because of our connections to Soupa in which Soupa is his strongest scum-pick. He draws his other two scum suspects from Soupa so in the end he will want to get Soup lynched. He has expressed concern on him so I do need to ask this question at him though.

@DH: Because of Soup's claim, will you ever lynch him?

Also about pre-game, reading that summary seems to paint me as an irate lunatic and I kindof wanna apologize for that.

 

[#HBC | J]

ATTB, yes.

What?

Luz is null, leaning scum, for something that date back to pregame. He says that it would be dumb for scumpartners to handhold, however, when X1 said that nabe had recommended that scum buddies should act more friendly, Kuz says that that's exactly what he's been doing.

What?

Town. His anti-towniness is similar to his town play in discworld

Agreed.

I hope you realize that substituting reality with your twisted fantasy wont help. You are refusing to counter my points without using your stubborn thoughts. Who's the one with the steel-clad state now?

Huh I didn't know I had a steel-clad mind. DH, you think the entire scum-team is Soup/J/Seph right? No one else can be mafia? I retaliated your points but *shrug* you keep pretending ^^

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I apologize for not posting much lately. It's hypocritical--considering I have an issue regarding inactivity--but I'm becoming busier as spring rolls in. I have dinner now and will be rereading and making notes and the like on what I find interesting / suspicious.

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote
Vote: J

I'm finding a very hard time believing your claim.

Why? This post strikes a bad cord with me.

@J: thoughts on being the top target right now?

*shrug* I don't care. Maybe I should have more votes on me. What am I at? L-3?

J's claim doesn't ring legit for me.

Look, he breadcrumbs after X1 claims daycop and after X1 suspects him. Why did he not breadcrumb earlier? A miller should know that they could be investigated, and try to set up a breadcrumb as early as possible. However, the fact that J breacrumbed after the cop claims just rings as scum trying to claim miller if they are investigated, and with a cheap breacrumb to back it up.

Already explained this.

 

[Asdioh]

so, 502 bad gateways suck.

 

[Dooms]

but that live update though

 

[Asdioh]

@X1, if I were to imply that I just realized something, would my realization be correct in your opinion?

Disregard this, I just reread the wiki and noticed that I read something wrong @_@

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Cool. What did you read wrong?

Kuz, what are your thoughts at the moment? Why did you come into the Day voting Seph?

DH, do you have a larger scumread on J, or on Seph?
Whichever it is, please consider alternatives to them being partners. Who else might be with them?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

J, I had explained why I do not soup to be lynched: he could get a report tonight, which could help us get more semi-clears. I've thought I've explained this several times.

You had also been posting before that "intro" post, and was very vocal. Why didn't you crumb it during any of those posts?

Nabe, I have a larger scumread on J, as, while seph has been inactive, J has been consitentley scummy with his posts. His partners, excluding seph, could be Soup and Joey. I've explained why soup/could be buddies.

Joey/J can be found in X1's huge pregame wrap-up post. Basically, The whole pregame debate can be seen like a bus. For example, J attacks Joey for not wanting the game to start. However, he later says that he won't respond to anything until the game starts [J could have waited until th game started, unaware that he ha contradicted himself).

 

[#HBC | J]

You had also been posting before that "intro" post, and was very vocal. Why didn't you crumb it during any of those posts?

Oh good god the grammar in the first few sentences...

I started crumbing when the game actually started......problem? Also lol that's a lie saying I was active before that intro post.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

J, your only crumb was in your "intro" post. You had also posted several times before that, and after the day started. Why do you crumb only during that post?

 

[#HBC | J]

DH, care to bring up those posts of mine that should have held crumbs in them?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

AFAIK, there's only one.

 

[#HBC | J]

J, your only crumb was in your "intro" post. You had also posted several times before that, and after the day started. Why do you crumb only during that post?

AFAIK, there's only one.

Hmmm someone's been caught in a lie.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Speaking of wifom, if Kuzi survives through the night, that pretty much confirms me as Town because I would consider him too dangerous to live if I were scum.

I thought WIFOM was bad. This comes off to me as “If I was Mafia, I’d just attempt to kill th3kuzinator, so if th3kuzinator lives I’m clear.” You’re using th3kuzinator to prevent any suspicion from reaching you, especially when Soupamario supposedly has th3kuzinator in the clear.

Tery, where is this kid? I would have put him in the inactive slot along with Kuzi/Myself/UTD/Seph but he made a post on this page that mislead me. He hasn't posted in 3 days besides that one post which just points out that the mod doesn't have a deadline and thanking JTB for replacing in. I haven't seen much from Tery and it's interesting. I need more from him and I think he deserves some pressure out of everyone at the current time. I also wrote down somewhere that most of his stuff seems forced.

I’ll accept this. Again, I’ve been busy so Mafia / Smashboards have not been high on my priority list.

Wouldn't mind Tery/UTD due to inactivity (plus my only meta on UTD is that inactivity is a scum tell, but that may be in every game or just imo).

First off, I like the name change.
Anyway, I reiterate what I mentioned about my inactivity. Does my inactivity in this case qualify myself as more Mafia-like, as opposed to how inactivity on UTD Zac appears to you?

Shoulda been more specific when you said you were trying to apply pressure.

J was. J specifically stated he thinks I’m interesting and believes I deserve more pressure. I don’t see how you could have missed that, unless you were just skimming and saw straight to his vote.

Personally, I am waiting to see if you lie or try something stupid that works on the flip of a dime.
Though you do get a bit inactive when you are scum.

Whats that supposed to mean?
Celebrity Mafia. Wasn't inactive in the slightest.
The last time I was scum before that was like Soul Caliber which was in January. Old meta is old.

I thought using examples and playstyles of other members in the past was always frowned upon due to the flexibility of how people can play. Can someone explain this to me? Why or why not using previous metagame is positive or negative?

Or maybe a nice change of playstyle to help the town more?
Why do you immediately boil it down to self preservation?

I’ve never played a game with you, but from what I hear, you’re lynched very early in many games. If this is true (I’m not going to go stalk you) then I can see where J and others are coming from when they dislike your change in playstyle.

When you gambit, it's a town-tell for me considering you have pretty much gambitted every time you have been town but when you are scum the only gambit I remember is fake-claiming Katie Couric which was really really good and did work out like most of your gambits.

<See bit about metagame and stuff.>

Unvote, Vote: J

=o accidently voted myself.\
Unvote
Vote: Tery

You know you had already voted for me right? Even before your misvote on yourself.

Alright I'm Krunch, Town Informed Miller. Yea I'm the crocodile thingy on the front that was sent by King K. Rool to go race with Diddy and the others.
I'm just a simple informed miller. It makes alot of sense there are two cops hence why I do not think whatsoever that one of Soupa/X1-12 are lieing about their cop claims.

If there's another miller, or you suspect you're a miller, counterclaim.

Mafia Wiki tells me that Millers are essentially townies who appear guilty to Cops. What or how does “Town Informed Miller” differ from a regular Miller. You were just told straight up that you were a Miller? Or is there something else to it.

@Tery&UTD: Here's that pre-game summary. Read it. One of those paragraphs is much shorter than 40 posts so don't complain.

That is one ridiculous pregame. I still don't really think the pregame should be used, unless members truly acted identical to how they are playing now. Most of the attacking / arguing seemed really pointless to me, although I understand the logic behind some of the thinking (for example, Asdioh's comments on J and -Joey-).

Unvote
Vote: J
I'm finding a very hard time believing your claim.

I have not seen much from you, but what did you think of Soupamario / the Cop complexes? After not posting for a while, this was all you had to note?

Nobody's answered this. Getting a consensus on who we want copped is a good way to get reads imo.

Investigating J would prove the most beneficial, would it not? We can identify J’s alignment and know the sanity of the Cop.

Well... not yet. Naive cop is very likely. All I know for sure is that there's no way we have two sane cops.
And I've said this in Dissidia but you're definitely not someone I would want to mislynch on Day 1, it would be a waste. I wouldn't want you mislynched Day 1 when I'm town for the same reason I would want you killed Night 1 when I'm scum @_@

<See bit about WIFOM.>

And I'm still wondering what Seph did that looks so scummy. I'm not trying to defend him or anything, I just don't understand where everyone's coming from. The only thing I remember was saying he would buddy with J before the game. It's kind of dumb to do that, but even dumber to say you're doing it after the fact if you're scumbuddies or something. Pretty much nothing of value to me. People just want to kill the V/LA or what?

I’m going to agree with Asdioh here. First off, Sephiroths announced VLA before the game actually started, so this is (again) a matter of opinion on how important the pregame shenanigans are IMO. Essentially, someone who has not posted during the actual game should be null.

Does nobody else find this very scummy? Present no stances, then come in randomly and bandwagon on the guy with the most heat? And then nobody comments on it? Seriously?

Noted that earlier (earlier as in this post, not prepost).

@Tery since I want him to say something whenever he gets here: I believe J's miller claim. Do you think that makes me look scummy?

I’m neutral on J’s claim, so your agreement on said claim is neutral. Does not change what I think about you with everything together (mentioned later).
Important Thoughts
UTD Zac – I need to see more posts before I can properly determine anything. UTD Zac better have a good reason for not posting much and then coming in with a “Vote: J”.
Asdioh – Neutral. Posted a lot, which is good for generating discussion. Or at least I’ve noted Asdioh’s posts the most. I like some of the stuff Asdioh posts, but not all of it, and that causes a null. Why are you so eager on claiming?
Soupamario – Mafia. I still don’t like how you’ve posted / your claim, as you seem to have lowered out with the last set of pages. Almost seems like you wanted to get that out of the way, and then not be bothered by it anymore. Where’d you go?
J – Leaning Mafia. Your arguments work…sometimes. Otherwise, you’re really “Ehhh”, which in my (little) experience tends to be Mafia. However, this just ties to how metagame from previous games works and the like, so if someone can answer that question for me, that’d be great.
Roxy – Neutral. How come your posts give off a “I have some stance but I don’t feel like explaining it” vibe? You seem to be making points without much effort / backbone. Dunno if this is good or bad, though. You should post more.

Hmmm someone's been caught in a lie.

Woah this post just flashed and appeared before my eyes. I won't need to reiterate what J said, obviously.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

J, I had misread. I had thought you were talking about posts where you've breadcrumbed

What about all the "replacing out" drama?

 

[#HBC | J]

Should I have bread-crumbed while I was thinking of replaceing out?

DH, talk about Tery.

Unvote

 

[Asdioh]

Cool. What did you read wrong?

It was a pretty simple mistake, which would have made a whole lot of sense if it weren't for my misread.

I looked up Krunch. The first line says "Krunch is a Kritter and member of the Kremling Krew, he is also surprisingly a friend of Diddy Kong."

I read that as "Dixie Kong" and figured X1 and J might be unconfirmed masons/neighbors because:

@Anyone who knows the flavour: Would it make sense flavour-wise for there to be a closed (non-recruiting) mason pair in this game?

Absolutely not, no. It doesn't make sense.......wait a sec.

I take that back, yes there could be.

Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
Tiny Kong

Those three could have something to do with a mason pair. Possibly.

He mentions Dixie Kong but doesn't say she would necessarily be a mason with the other Kongs.

It also made me think that X1 was paying special attention to J in an attempt to see if his fellow mason was scum or not.

But since I was wrong, none of that matters

 

[JTB]

I apologize for not being active as I said I would. What was going to be just going to a party last night turned into a sleepover and having to wait on a ride home until 5 pm today. I was reading the thread on my phone so that I could try to keep up on what was happening, but posting on it is out of the question.

I no longer have any obligations or anything planned for now, so I can start actually posting content. Give me a while to get caught up with the J bandwagon and I'll have something up for sure tonight.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Kuz, what are your thoughts at the moment? Why did you come into the Day voting Seph?

Please add to this what the flavour reason was for believing Soup. Also, could you nameclaim? Thanks much.

 

[Asdioh]

Mafia Wiki tells me that Millers are essentially townies who appear guilty to Cops. What or how does “Town Informed Miller” differ from a regular Miller. You were just told straight up that you were a Miller? Or is there something else to it.

Yes. Sometimes Millers aren't told that they're Millers, so if a cop gets guilty on them they'll assume the cop is insane or lying. Informed Millers know what they are so that gives them an advantage.
I don't know how common it is to actually tell the miller what they are, though. It sometimes defeats the purpose... but with two cops, I guess it can make sense.

Soupamario – Mafia. I still don’t like how you’ve posted / your claim, as you seem to have lowered out with the last set of pages. Almost seems like you wanted to get that out of the way, and then not be bothered by it anymore. Where’d you go?

Don't you think it would be a little too easy if soup turns out to be mafia? I just can't find myself believing him to be scum. I am definitely wondering where he's gone, though.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Don't you think it would be a little too easy if soup turns out to be mafia? I just can't find myself believing him to be scum. I am definitely wondering where he's gone, though.

Well, I've never played with Soupamario before, so I'm simply going off of what / how he has posted. This may just be a matter of personal opinion.

 

[Dooms]

@Tery: Why thank you Tery. At least there is someone that likes my name change <3!

My only scum meta on UTD is inactivity. I don't have any meta on you. I really don't XD!

I swear that I read over it and he said something among the lines of "I wouldn't mind more pressure on Tery"... I guess I'll re-read it... again -_-

 

[Dooms]

I'm an idiot lol.

Yeah you all are right.

I guess the fourth time is the charm

 

[JTB]

@Soup, when you multipost, if you could include a quote of the post you are replying to, that would make reading your posts so much easier, alright?

 

[JTB]

I had a huge post on someone that I was working on, but halfway through, I realized I need more info to provide a more solid case, so I will come back to that in the future.

So in the mean time, let's go with what we have, mmk?

J is my biggest scumpick. Straight up. Several posts during pregame struck me as odd.

95 - This is the first in several posts in which he acts pretty hostile towards Joey. Not necessarily a scumtell, but it made me keep an eye on him.

156 - More hostility towards Joey, why?

Why is X1-12 trying so hard even before the game starts...

it's so weird.

Seph/Ran you seeing what I am considering what you have seen of X1?

First scummy post. J fully knows that roles have been sent out, meaning pregame discussion is just as important as the actual game. Discouraging X1 making discussions is pretty scummy.

207 - Back on Joey with weak arguments. Why is this necessary?

Then of course, there is this.

Seems someone used their DayCop on me.

..what? X1 never actually said he investigated you, but instead of pressing him on that, you resort to your miller claim. Why?

But, I don't think another vote on him is necessary right now, so I'll do this instead.

Vote UTDZac

The random vote on J really struck me. Asdioh covered it pretty well in 711, so I won't repeat him.

Other stuff I'll come back to later

Asdioh - Null for me. I know why he's playing like this after what happened in Dissidia, but it's not exactly a town or scum read, just an observation on his play. I'll come back to a few of his posts that I wanted answers on later.
Nabe - Leaning scum, some posts stand out with me that I'll get to.
X1 - Town for now, I want to know when you plan on using your investigation since our deadline is approaching and there needs to be enough time to discuss it before settling on our play.
Roxy - Null, get off of soup/cop claims and take stances on other people
Soupa - Town, I believe it's possible to have two cops, even though your claim was stupid as hell.

 

[#HBC | J]

JTB, why did you only comment on my posts during pre-game minus that one post regarding where I thought X1-12 used his investigation on me?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Tery's latest post rings out as odd to me. If you read his latest huge post, most of it has very little to do with scimhubting, and moreso mechanics [Scum love to do this. It's like helping, but you're not actually helping]

Tery is now null-leaning scum.

 

[Purple]

Aerial Hyper Viper Beam.

Is UTD still inactive? Let's lynch him out of policy imo

 

[X1-12]

Unvote
Vote: Asdioh

I have a guilty on Asdioh.

Everyone else just stop talking. If you wish you may change your vote and nothing more. Asdioh may post but unless there's some amazing explanation for this then we're lynching him today.

 

[Purple]

unvote

vote: asdioh

 

[UTDZac]

Vote UTDZac

The random vote on J really struck me. Asdioh covered it pretty well in 711, so I won't repeat him.

My vote was completely random without any logical thinking or reasoning behind it... yeah...

Aerial Hyper Viper Beam.

Is UTD still inactive? Let's lynch him out of policy imo

If by inactive you mean not posting as much as anyone else, then I guess I'm "inactive." However I've been reading all of the posts since the game has started and commented on the ones I felt I can give some hard content on.



With regards to the day/night cop issue, I really don't think we should do anything about it until toMorrow. Why stress on it toDay when we have so little information to go off of. As town, we can make a better decision about it in the upcoming Days.

Unvote

 

[th3kuzinator]

Unvote; Vote: Asdioh

Checking the thread quickly in-between class. Works for me.

 

[Asdioh]

Gotta sleep, screw waiting for Nabe

FYI: I am confirmed Sane in my role PM. I was going to keep this information hidden but I reckon around now would be a good time to reveal it, especially after the miller claim and all this talk about kuz.

Don't lynch anyone until I wake up obviously. Try scumhunting on kuz without mentioning the cops.

@UTD: Do you think Asdioh has been providing genuine good content or do you think he has been just posting things about the set-up/inactives/fluff i.e stuff Scum can easily post about to appear town. Then shoot me a read on Asdioh.

Unvote
Vote: Asdioh

I have a guilty on Asdioh.

Everyone else just stop talking. If you wish you may change your vote and nothing more. Asdioh may post but unless there's some amazing explanation for this then we're lynching him today.

What the hell? Are you lying about your sanity or what? I do not see how I could be an uninformed miller, so you're either testing me or lying through your teeth. I don't see why you would lie, as it would cause suspicion on me for the rest of the game if you don't take it back immediately.

I wondered why soupamario said he didn't know his sanity, but you said you do.

How do I prove I'm town D1, after having our "trusty cop" claim a guilty on me after saying he's sane? @_@

 

[th3kuzinator]

Pretty hard to decide, with the amount of inactives. What if X1 used his investigation on you and got the opposite result Soup did? However, I'd investigate J first.

Safe to say that J is either town or GF from this post. He legitimately expected a guilty on himself, though, so he can't be GF.