Why Holder of the Heel is Mafia:
#102
He only unvotes here because Bats states that anyone voting for Alaka was scum or lazy. He feels the need to justify it by saying 'lazy or not around'. Scum being comfortable, got shaken and didn't want to be noticed, acted as soon as he saw that.
It was addressing me, so naturally I responded. It was just a RVS vote so I understood that it didn't mean anything to keep it there.
#348
#354
Here he goes very in depth with setup analysis. Alot of players give him town points for it, but I see it as null, especially given the rest of his play. Also consider he says that every townie would be in a room, but when Mac asks if he is saying Batsnacks isn't town, he backs down. This is most likely because this came from a scum mindset, and he most likely is in a room. So not knowing the situation of EVERY townie, he assumed all townies were in a room. But that is not so. This also shows Mac has a townie mindset because he can't understand how he came to that conclusion.
I've already stated that I'm not comfortable with Bats and he's probably by default the person I'd be most okay with going (as in, very expendable) because I do not understand how he fits into this game, so you're lying here. The same can be applied to you since you claim to be similar. In fact, you yourself have been quiet/terse throughout much of the game, and Bats only got town points because apparently being oblivious is a sign of being town even though people have been saying that in all his aggression he was never actually useful. You say townies can be in outside-communications "that is not so", but you do realize that no one has any proof of this? I can't just say that you're telling the truth just because. I've no proof to the contrary, which is why it's insufficient evidence, but it goes both ways I'm afraid.
Also I already gave an explanation as to why I view there's a good chance being in a group is a definitive feature of someone strictly aligned to the town. All townies can look at their role PM and know that there are multiple groups against kira/mafia and it is easy to grasp what the characters are and size (Kyryk even flat out said this at the very beginning) and one of them has already been confirmed to be half the roster. We also know the mafia is going to have a traditional group. You do not fit if you aren't in contact with anyone, I have every reason to think that at the present moment.
#411
Here he is wishy washy on deciding to vote Gorf. He states his vote wasn't fruitful, and I will say it was because he didn't care about finding scum, only about hiding behind setup analysis.
Indeed, I've not been very motivated to play this game. Wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for Zenny approaching about it, reminding me later of that approach, and his game being centered around my favorite manga, hence my interest in the set-up. I was never particularly good, and this is going to go doubly so on the first day of a game where things are much more serious than the games I'm typically used to. This is an excuse rather than a reason, but it's all I can give you. If it's not enough, then very well. But if a lack of presence/influence in this game is indicative of scumminess, then I also assume you can find my "scum partners" right here and now then yes?
#421]
Here, he defends Red Ryu with very good points. Nothing suspicious actually, but it is relevant due to his next action.
#431
After Macman votes Red Ryu, Holder decides to make a random hop onto Red Ryu. He tries to justify it was a test that failed, but he never moves the vote back, he leaves it there. I noticed TRG realized that there was something odd with his test. (Gambit) He made this test, and didn't even look at how Alakaslam reacted to him.
Wrong. It was after me accusing TRG. Though indeed the point in itself was to try and make TRG realize that he wasn't thinking clearly because the vote in itself, rather than who it was on, as I intended and immediately stated, wasn't very good.
Also if you're going to try and make me feel wrong about not acknowledging Alakaslam, then it is a futile effort.
Here, he states he would go back to Gorf but actually has a dislike for Red Ryu. This is the first time he mentions he actually has a dislike for him. This is to justify staying on Red Ryu.
Mechanically stating events is fine and all but what is your actual point? No one at that point had received any point in liking that slot. Also you've been saying that I've said little up to that point, so my having no mentioned someone who also said very little is to be expected.
Secondly, he states that he ignored Alakaslam's reaction because he annoys him. When asked, he questions if he should look into his vote hop, yet says nothing else and bounces. He went back into hiding and had no conclusion on Alakaslam.
Lazy Hiding or
not around. Seriously, I cannot conclude anything on him and the only reaction he said he was that he wondered where the case was, then voted saying he was wishy-washy. What specifically did you want me to see that is actually notable?
Conclusion: Holder is a very intelligent fellow. He did very well analyzing the setup, but that's all he mostly did. He hid behind that. He hid behind it for so long he forgot he got comfortable and left his vote on Alakaslam as RVS. He has had no real drive to find scum, as his later votes were a wishy washy vote on Gorf that didn't last long (he votes in response to Garg's case), and a random hop on Red Ryu which he states was a gambit. I read his newbie, and he did much more for town then he has here. He continues to lack drive for finding mafia. He has not made a single push or questioned much players at all. A great investigate target.
I'm fine with being investigated. If someone can do that, feel free to do so at any point in time within this game. The mafia characters, I'm guessing, don't have a player who comes up innocent. Kira might though. Maybe there is someone who searches for Kira and another player who can investigate scum. If there's two people like that, both check me at any time. It's the best way to convince you, since my drive probably won't receive drastic improvement. I'm actually pushing myself a bit, TRG should know that the last game I was in I said
even less. My involvement may improve with the passing of day phases however, we'll see if I live to such points. If you wish to forego that entire process and lynch me, then that's okay too given my point here. My character wouldn't be a huge loss neither.