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Okay, we've re-read from the point where we made our last big reads post. We're about to do it again, but for the time being, this is what we're looking at:

Right now, since we've poked our head into the thread, the biggest push has been to lynch KWK, which we've been against from the start. I've yet to really see something that changes my mind. Outside of that, the game has been stagnating. (Which we have not been helping with, admittedly.) That only further supports the idea that we shouldn't lynch KWK, because it shows scum are content with it. Unless we are horrifically off-base with that slot, and he actually is mafia, then I would wager that scum are sitting contentedly on the wagon.

There are 3 people who are actively trying to punch the KWK lynch through, discarding Chaco, as he's mod-confirmed Town.

One is Rake, who was shut-up.
One is Joker, who badgers KWK about anything he says.
One is Gorf, who continues repeating the same things like a broken record. "iDk MaNg He'S jUsT gOnNa Be RoLeBlOcKed."

That leaves Chaco as Town. Gheb has mostly been allowing this push to happen, rather than actively pursuing it, despite being *I believe* the first vote on it on Day 1. Most recently, he's come back to it as a policy lynch, but is already washing his hands of it.

Looking off the wagon, you have KWK himself, who's push has devolved into either a 'necessary evil' (for the connections) or a lynch based around the fact that his ability is too powerful to be Town.

What I want is for someone to show how his prior and recent actions are scum-motivated. And no, Joker, this does not mean that he's unable to push anything because he's 'deflecting away from himself'. Especially when you later board the wagon.

Off the wagon we have JeXs, Bardull and Ruy as Town reads.

Laundry we'll have to read the beginning for again, but if someone has a gun, they should probably shoot him, because disappearing is exactly what he did in Ryker mafia when he drew scum.

That leaves Beat and Scary, both of which we have as Null right now, but both have made substantial posts, which we'll hit in just a second.

At the moment, we are looking at who to lynch between Gorf, Joker and Gheb.

Feel free to hit us up with questions when we get done with the second read.

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first off, kwk's play is inherently scummy outside of the claim shenanigans. second off, weve got nothing but wifom up ahead regarding his slot if we keep em alive. if you dont think so youre an idiot.

"bUt If We KeEp Em AlIvE hE'lL jUsT sTaY rOlEbLoCkEd!"

**** you, if hes town that statement is true and hes essentially a ****ing vegetable till we lynch the possibly existing rb. without a flip theres no real leads. with a flip, we have that already established pool of possible rb's waiting to be deduced. id rather have ACTUAL leads than go off of cold reads cuz YOU have a townread on a widely accepted scummy slot.

oh also

pussybush said:
Outside of that, the game has been stagnating. (Which we have not been helping with, admittedly.) That only further supports the idea that we shouldn't lynch KWK, because it shows scum are content with it.
no it doesnt. what it shows is that town is content with it but waiting on somebody to come in and share their thoughts before the hammer is dropped PER REQUEST.

you really are a machiavellian manipulator.
 

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and people ask me why Vig is my favorite role.

Be as thorough as possible because I really want to know why KWK flipping town would incriminate Laundry specifically.
Incriminate laundry? I never said that. I said that is where I would go.
 

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a beam of light engulfs red ruy. he is once again lynched at a majority for d2 n d3!

Kreative Whiz Kids
(4): Rake, Joker, Gheb, Gorf
Gorf (1): Laundry
Murderbush (2): JeXs, KWK
Red Ryu (1): Beat!

Not Voting (5): Scary, Bardull, Chaco, Red Ryu, Murderbush

Deadline is 9/6 11:59:59 PM. With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

[collapse=voting log]
1. #HBC | Gorf => KWK > Bardull > Chaco > KWK > Ruy > BSL > KWK
3. Beat! => Chaco > Chaco > unvote > KWK > unvote > KWK
4. #HBC | Laundry => Murderbush > Ruy
5. Chaco => Gheb > Gorf > KWK > KWK > Murderbush
6. Gheb_01 => KWK > Gorf > KWK
7. Kreative Whiz Kids (Potassium/Sokr) => Joker > unvote > BSL > Rake > unvote > Red Ryu > Rake > Murderbush
8. #HBC | BarDeezy => Evil Eye > Gorf > Joker > Gorf > unvote
9. mUrDeRbUsH (Raziek/#HBC | Ryker) => Chaco > Gorf > Ruy > Gorf > BSL > Gorf
10. JeXs => Rake > BSL > KWK > Murderbush
11. Wots All This Then? (JDietz43/Orboknown) => Murderbush > Scary > Murderbush > unvote > KWK > unvote > KWK
12. #HBC | Rake. => JeXs > KWK > KWK
13. #HBC | Joker => KWK > KWK
14. #HBC | Red Ryu => Gorf > Chaco > unvote > Ranmaru > unvote > Scary
15. #HBC | Scary => KWK > BSL[/collapse]
 

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Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. You said your scum pick upon a KWK town flip is Laundry "hands down". I want to know why.
 

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Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. You said your scum pick upon a KWK town flip is Laundry "hands down". I want to know why.
Cause I think he is scum and explained why he was a scum pick before.

If I didn't it was probs more related to why I hated his Gorf push.
 

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adumbrodeus replaces #HBC | Laundry

a beam of light engulfs red ruy. he is once again lynched at a majority for d2 n d3!

Kreative Whiz Kids
(5): Rake, Joker, Gheb, Gorf, Chaco
Gorf (1): adumbrodeus
Murderbush (2): JeXs, KWK
Red Ryu (1): Beat!

Not Voting (5): Scary, Bardull, Red Ryu, Murderbush

Deadline is 9/6 11:59:59 PM. With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

[collapse=voting log]
1. #HBC | Gorf => KWK > Bardull > Chaco > KWK > Ruy > BSL > KWK
3. Beat! => Chaco > Chaco > unvote > KWK > unvote > KWK
4. adumbrodeus => Murderbush > Ruy > Gorf
5. Chaco => Gheb > Gorf > KWK > KWK > Murderbush
6. Gheb_01 => KWK > Gorf > KWK
7. Kreative Whiz Kids (Potassium/Sokr) => Joker > unvote > BSL > Rake > unvote > Red Ryu > Rake > Murderbush
8. #HBC | BarDeezy => Evil Eye > Gorf > Joker > Gorf > unvote
9. mUrDeRbUsH (Raziek/#HBC | Ryker) => Chaco > Gorf > Ruy > Gorf > BSL > Gorf
10. JeXs => Rake > BSL > KWK > Murderbush
11. Wots All This Then? (JDietz43/Orboknown) => Murderbush > Scary > Murderbush > unvote > KWK > unvote > KWK
12. #HBC | Rake. => JeXs > KWK > KWK
13. #HBC | Joker => KWK > KWK
14. #HBC | Red Ryu => Gorf > Chaco > unvote > Ranmaru > unvote > Scary
15. #HBC | Scary => KWK > BSL[/collapse]
 

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Rereading all of KWK's attempts to get Rake to cop him. Why in God's name would you do something like that as scum? If he flipped Godfather, that's one thing, but that seems significantly unlikely given the ability he's claimed and supported. It reads like desperate townie trying not to claim a PR.
 

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Cause I think he is scum and explained why he was a scum pick before.

If I didn't it was probs more related to why I hated his Gorf push.
I'm not asking for your general stance on him. I'm asking why, specifically, would a KWK town flip make him your main lynch target where as a KWK scum flip would put him in the "not as bad but still questionable" position.
 

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thought about it. imma leave my vote back on em.

vote kwk

as wise as it is to look at the situation of him being rb'd, the chances are just as good that scumkwk faked being rb'd in order to move the votes off of him and spread the wifom. if his flip ends up showing that he's town, then we can take into account the rb and the people in the thread and move from there. if he's scum, we throw that info out the window. but individually, the scumminess of his play still stands firm, and not lynching him will leave more questions than lynching em.
Why are the chances just as good? I don't like the way Gorf hopped off and back on immediately. If he flips and ends up flipping town, then the roleblock gets to move around. Do you believe that he could reasonably have faked his entire claim up until this point? Rake and yourself have both confirmed his actions. Does the logic in this post still stand?
 

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I'm not asking for your general stance on him. I'm asking why, specifically, would a KWK town flip make him your main lynch target where as a KWK scum flip would put him in the "not as bad but still questionable" position.
I don't think he lines up as well with BSL + KWK scum.

I'd hesitate more since him and KWK don't seem as likely connected from how Laundry wanted KWK.
 

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@ #HBC | Gorf #HBC | Gorf that is srsly the worst excuse ever to lynch them. 'oh they're going to be RB'd all game so may as well lynch them.' then they'll just move to someone else afterwards, that doesn't benefit us at all
Exactly. He's already said that we should lynch KWK because he's just gonna be roleblocked 3 times at the point I'm at right now.
 

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I don't think he lines up as well with BSL + KWK scum.

I'd hesitate more since him and KWK don't seem as likely connected from how Laundry wanted KWK.
Laundry "wanted" KWK D1 (never voted him). D2 he's been pushing Gorf over KWK. What exactly are you talking about?
 

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Laundry "wanted" KWK D1 (never voted him). D2 he's been pushing Gorf over KWK. What exactly are you talking about?
He's wanted him today and you just said what I was refering too.

I don't think them being linked is impossible, I just think it is less likely.
 

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[quote="#HBC | Gorf, post: 17436135, member: 146703"all i know is that we have no certainty unless hes dead, since if hes town hell be roleblocked till the rb is dead. if he dies and flips scum, great! we can move on. if he dies and hes town, great! we not only have the **** ton of connections to em, but we have a pool for who can be the rb (thanks to kwk FINALLY answering my question).[/quote]
This conclusion still bothers me. We can lynch the roleblocker, the roleblocker may need to move if we present another threatening PR, someone may be able to boost KWK past the roleblocker. There are possibilities that you continually ignore because

"LoL wE sHoUlD lYnCh KwK sO sCuMmY hE's JuSt GoNnA bE rOlEbLoCkEd!!!!!!!11"

Do me a favor. Show me the play that damns him which you claimed was there earlier and run by me why he was fishing for Rake to cop him, or do you think that was faked?
 

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no. its to still kill off kwk cuz hes mad scummy and i think his claim is, albeit real, easily viable for scum. the connections and the tangible rb lead just happen to be what good directions come from a possible ml.

what did you look to get from me answering this?
There it is again. He's mad scummy. Give me the details on WHY he's mad scummy.
 

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seems like it's somebody's role.

This is a super weak reason to vote Rake. I highly doubt him wasting his posts is some well-thought out plan to coast through the day. More like he's just an idiot, or he thinks you're going to die soon anyway, thus ending the day.
Holy ****. This man is hyper defensive of ANYONE who voted KWK.

I think Joker/Gorf is probable. His read progression on Day 2 went from "Gorf at null, interested to see how people view him" to assaulting Bardull who was making a good strong of posts when he posted something negative about Gorf.
 

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Hard to say @ Chaco Chaco . If KWK is no longer the play I wouldn't mind going to Rake. I feel like he's been off most of this game and I really dislike how he wasted 2 out of his 3 final posts of the day.
Well this is awkward. If I can't have my number one scum read then I want to lynch the person who got the wagon on my largest scumread rolling.
 

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youre the one whos been rereading, unless youre gonna ****in tell me that you HAVENT seen my reasoning for call me scum im not gonna bother rereading for something thats overwhelmingly acknowledged as true.

***** you GOTTA stop strawmanning everything i say. is CHACO scummy? cuz hes just as adamant, if not more, about kwkscum.

as far as the "faking his claim" strawman, imma wait till you get to where i explained my stance on that, and if you conveniently dont find it, then **** you ive said it like a billion times.

for the cop crap, literally anybody can SAY they did x for y purposes. he said he did that after he tracked rake to jex and rake said some bull**** about jex. aside from that theres ZERO pointing to that being legitimate and what we have is a ****ing wifom salad.
 

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unvote

vote murder


the one and only gripe i have is that kwk is going to be alive toMorrow and that urks the living hell outta me as far as not making this game stall. the only reason my scumread on the slot is teetering is cuz hes not being hardbodied. ive reversed too many scumreads that have been scum BECAUSE they got the opportunity to live. and what happens toMorrow? its pretty much just gonna be an extension of toDay. which sucks.

that being said, mb HAS crossed into massive lurk territory and unless he comes in here and starts posting, im down for the hbc.
You opportunistic ****head. You've been so staunchly pushing KWK, but now you're willing to switch when, by your own admission, you plan to go straight back to the same situation tomorrow.
 

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first off, kwk's play is inherently scummy outside of the claim shenanigans.
Ok. I've read just barely short of 20 pages. You have mentioned this 3 times and you have mentioned that KWK will just stay roleblocked 7 times. In all this time trying to get KWK lynched, you have not once (despite slots like JexS and Bardull staying unconvinced) elaborated on why his play was inherently scummy. Give me a two or three line summary and do it now. I don't think you remember or care why you were originally on that wagon and you just want to kill the claimed tracker because it is not only a mislynch, but a claimed PR who could be a pain in the ass to you later. I'd like that now, before you have a chance to go look it up.

I've had just about enough of you.

Vote Gorf
 

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You opportunistic ****head. You've been so staunchly pushing KWK, but now you're willing to switch when, by your own admission, you plan to go straight back to the same situation tomorrow.
are you kidding...

the only reason id POSSIBLY have considered changing my frame of mind after a policy lynch is if you flipped scum. but it worked, youre posting AND strawmanning AND singling me out for no reason other than to persist on tunneling!

Do you get dizzy running in circles like that?
yea thats usually what happens when i leave a scumread around for longer than they deserve.

Ok. I've read just barely short of 20 pages. You have mentioned this 3 times and you have mentioned that KWK will just stay roleblocked 7 times. In all this time trying to get KWK lynched, you have not once (despite slots like JexS and Bardull staying unconvinced) elaborated on why his play was inherently scummy. Give me a two or three line summary and do it now. I don't think you remember or care why you were originally on that wagon and you just want to kill the claimed tracker because it is not only a mislynch, but a claimed PR who could be a pain in the *** to you later. I'd like that now, before you have a chance to go look it up.

I've had just about enough of you.

Vote Gorf
-farther than backwards logic all throughout yesterDay
-trying to shrug off the retardedness of their play cuz "lol hydra"
-MAD scummy interactions with BSL (little acknowledgement of his wagon's existence, jumping on at the last minute, etc.)

...to name a few.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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***** i was one of the first people to push kwk. youre either a lying scumbag or WAY too dense if youre gonna actually convince yourself that im weaseling my way onto his wagon.
 

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We're caught up now, and we want to kill Gorf, followed by Joker. Both of them are trying their hardest to punch this wagon through and on top of it, Gorf is an opportunistic ****head and needs to die. Look at the way he's hopped off and back on to KWK's wagon TWICE now, when he was afraid that public opinion was going to shift away.

Town reads are Bardull, JexS, Ruy, KWK and Chaco.
 

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-farther than backwards logic all throughout yesterDay
-trying to shrug off the retardedness of their play cuz "lol hydra"
-MAD scummy interactions with BSL (little acknowledgement of his wagon's existence, jumping on at the last minute, etc.)

...to name a few.
Name a few more. Try and make them less vague. Also do me a favor and explain why you didn't bring them up in the last 20 pages. You've been fixated on "but he's gonna be role blocked."
 
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