Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Ok guys I am back with some much needed help lol. Here is a vid.... I am still noobing it up it seems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7fzdLQREYU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7fzdLQREYU
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Critique Please
- Thread starter Leviathan741
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Faithkeeper
Smash Lord
Nice patience, I feel like that's a big part of this matchup.
I'm not so good, so I'll just touch on a couple things.
A few times you tried to nair when sheik was above you and whiffed: uair would have gotten her. (and it combos very well, so you don't lose a lot of punishment potential)
You got sheildgrabbed a couple times for bad spacing, but on the whole you spaced pretty well.
I think your dair shield >raptor boost is a fine mix up but it was a tad predictable at the beginning. It would have been all too easy for sheik to dsmash or pivot shieldgrab if they predicted it.
I liked your play overall, it gave me a couple ideas for my own game.
I'm not so good, so I'll just touch on a couple things.
A few times you tried to nair when sheik was above you and whiffed: uair would have gotten her. (and it combos very well, so you don't lose a lot of punishment potential)
You got sheildgrabbed a couple times for bad spacing, but on the whole you spaced pretty well.
I think your dair shield >raptor boost is a fine mix up but it was a tad predictable at the beginning. It would have been all too easy for sheik to dsmash or pivot shieldgrab if they predicted it.
I liked your play overall, it gave me a couple ideas for my own game.
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Thanks man... I mean it, I appreciate help from anyone who is willing.
Any other critique folks?
Any other critique folks?
Lordydennek
Smash Ace
I'd say youre beyond help and should just quit smash all together 
mix up your edge game.
mix up your edge game.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
you were passing up garaunteed(i have no idea how to spell that word, it bothers me) hits for potential ****. and as it turns out, every time you went for potential ****, you failed and got ****ed.
i can count 2 times atleast where you went up-throw(i think) and tried to stomp instead of bair. and atleast one of the times the bair would've knocked her off stage.
you were running around nairing and took like 40-60% atleast once when she was @ garaunteed upthrow-knee %.
You didn't use enough upair and used too much nair.
dont stomp on sheik's shield, its giant and you'll never shield poke her.
jump over standing needles, dash away and dash back for aerial needles, but be prepared for her to dash grab @ you, so probably jump after you dash in atleast sometimes.
you didn't grab enough
all this being said, you could've done worse.
i can count 2 times atleast where you went up-throw(i think) and tried to stomp instead of bair. and atleast one of the times the bair would've knocked her off stage.
you were running around nairing and took like 40-60% atleast once when she was @ garaunteed upthrow-knee %.
You didn't use enough upair and used too much nair.
dont stomp on sheik's shield, its giant and you'll never shield poke her.
jump over standing needles, dash away and dash back for aerial needles, but be prepared for her to dash grab @ you, so probably jump after you dash in atleast sometimes.
you didn't grab enough
all this being said, you could've done worse.
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Jesus, I didnt think I did that bad, but thanks for the tips.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
you have to be pretty ****ing perfect to not get ****ed by sheik.
dont worry, its a long path to being good.
i would know because i still suck. like really bad.
dont worry, its a long path to being good.
i would know because i still suck. like really bad.
Try varying your dash dance a little bit. If you stay in the same dash dance speed it's easy to tell when you're going to come out of it and do stuff. Try using a longer one to bait a shield grab or to bait anything really.
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
"dont talk to me!"i'd say youre beyond help and should just quit smash all together
mix up your edge game.
If you're going to space out neutral airs on their shield, you should be looking to punish how they react. I saw a couple whiffed shield grabs from Sheik that went completely unpunished. Try a SHFFL'd knee or a FSmash afterwards next time.
Some other things are stop double jumping so much, rolling when you're in an offensive position, and always take the sure thing. Upthrow knee at 100%, upthrow to upair to knee at like, 60 - 90% (I think?).
Other than that, mostly solid spacing but keep up the work and feel The Force flow through you. It's a rough match-up already without screwing up basic tech stuff and costing yourself a kill.
Hope this helps!
Some other things are stop double jumping so much, rolling when you're in an offensive position, and always take the sure thing. Upthrow knee at 100%, upthrow to upair to knee at like, 60 - 90% (I think?).
Other than that, mostly solid spacing but keep up the work and feel The Force flow through you. It's a rough match-up already without screwing up basic tech stuff and costing yourself a kill.
Hope this helps!
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Thanks for the help. What exactly is a whiffed shield?
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
whiffed shield grab.
Heh, thanks Rones.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
np sweetcheeks
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Deleted member
Guest
hit your opponent after hitting them with a side-b
n0ne
Smash Ace
what I think is you need to work on your follow-ups.
sometimes u would do something that would continue with a knee, but instead u would mess up and do an error move, or, a nair.
THATS a common mistake falcons have. nairing too much sometimes leads to nothing.
at least, in terms, combo-wise. But good job. sheik is sheik so dont worry that much
sometimes u would do something that would continue with a knee, but instead u would mess up and do an error move, or, a nair.
THATS a common mistake falcons have. nairing too much sometimes leads to nothing.
at least, in terms, combo-wise. But good job. sheik is sheik so dont worry that much
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
So aside from the mistakes, you guys are saying for me to knee sheik at like 30 to 50 % rather than combo her after she gets popped into the air with a dair?
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KII9SMaGV_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SxecqvhM50
Here are some more, thanks for critique in advance guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SxecqvhM50
Here are some more, thanks for critique in advance guys.
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
so lol.......?
Be patient when asking for advice.
looking now.
youtube is being stupid for me right now, will watch later
looking now.
youtube is being stupid for me right now, will watch later
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Deleted member
Guest
except against recoveries, never stomp from the edge since it sux big dik
don't double jump into a shieks downsmash, always double jump sweetspot the edge, extremely safe unless shiek hits you with a needle, this shiek doesn't seem capable of doing that so just double jump grab the edge
knee after a stomp instead of hitting them with first hit of n-air
when shiek is at the edge play safer instead of kneeing in place over and over but don't let him get back on for free
don't always attack from the edge, mix it up
stop n-airing if all hes gunna do is run up and down-tilt and beat you for the 1103914th time. He sux really bad at punishing though so doesn't matter too much. You can also just fastfall your n-airs instead of fading away every time, fade away nairs are great against fox but kinda dum against a shiek that runs up to you, ducks, and d-tilts for the 10383108710817308th time
worry about being fancy later, don't moonwalk and try to hit a shiek up-b stalling to get slapped to tech chased
most of these things u should just think and play smarter, since you asked for advice though i'll give
don't double jump into a shieks downsmash, always double jump sweetspot the edge, extremely safe unless shiek hits you with a needle, this shiek doesn't seem capable of doing that so just double jump grab the edge
knee after a stomp instead of hitting them with first hit of n-air
when shiek is at the edge play safer instead of kneeing in place over and over but don't let him get back on for free
don't always attack from the edge, mix it up
stop n-airing if all hes gunna do is run up and down-tilt and beat you for the 1103914th time. He sux really bad at punishing though so doesn't matter too much. You can also just fastfall your n-airs instead of fading away every time, fade away nairs are great against fox but kinda dum against a shiek that runs up to you, ducks, and d-tilts for the 10383108710817308th time
worry about being fancy later, don't moonwalk and try to hit a shiek up-b stalling to get slapped to tech chased
most of these things u should just think and play smarter, since you asked for advice though i'll give
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Ok thanks a lot man pretty helpful
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
So how about it Jungle Fever?
n0ne
Smash Ace
More or less u gotta mix up what ure doing, take note of what s2j told u about edge stuff.
Also remember that full jump is not banned, u can use it sometimes for bair walling or late falling uairs or stuff like that.
remember also, whenever u have knocked sheik off the stage, the first thing u gotta do is edgehog that ***** so she needs to get back on stage so u can punish lag
practice your pivoting and followups
and last, instead of so much nairs, u could mix up more with stomps or uairs.
if they survival di your uair (MOST LIKELY), you get a shot 4 ur knee
If u notice, that sheik likes to spotdodge alot in predicatble places (after a tech for example) punish this by throwing out a slow knee in response.
oh and remember to tomahawk. works nicely against grabby sheiks
Also remember that full jump is not banned, u can use it sometimes for bair walling or late falling uairs or stuff like that.
remember also, whenever u have knocked sheik off the stage, the first thing u gotta do is edgehog that ***** so she needs to get back on stage so u can punish lag
practice your pivoting and followups
and last, instead of so much nairs, u could mix up more with stomps or uairs.
if they survival di your uair (MOST LIKELY), you get a shot 4 ur knee
If u notice, that sheik likes to spotdodge alot in predicatble places (after a tech for example) punish this by throwing out a slow knee in response.
oh and remember to tomahawk. works nicely against grabby sheiks
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Thanks, and what in the world is a tomahawk?
Jeapie
Smash Journeyman
Ey Leviathan
You got better since last time i watched a video of you so gz ^^
I just wacthed game 3 vs ( Sinister) this sheik on fd and you did do a lot of things right.
1The first kill was a nice spaced bair and the sheik tried to air dodge to the edge but you got it first so good job. Not the best choice the sheik could make but hey **** happens.
2 the 2nd stock you started of hard with a dair, tech chase->Dair to uptrow. Only the followup after the uptrow is missing. Just try to hit 1 up air to get her of stage or just for that little but of more %. If you can get off a uptrow uair -> knee be my guest. that will probly cost the sheik her stock ^^
3 uptrow -> knee on high % just like that. YOu did this too =)
4 dying by that up B + downsmash is a bit unfortunate = (
5 when sheik comes at you with a front tilt/down tilt , try to shield it and do a oos nair of up b oos. Or grab when she didnt space it.
Hope this helps, although taking on a `better` oppent will probly help you get better faster
Jeapie
You got better since last time i watched a video of you so gz ^^
I just wacthed game 3 vs ( Sinister) this sheik on fd and you did do a lot of things right.
1The first kill was a nice spaced bair and the sheik tried to air dodge to the edge but you got it first so good job. Not the best choice the sheik could make but hey **** happens.
2 the 2nd stock you started of hard with a dair, tech chase->Dair to uptrow. Only the followup after the uptrow is missing. Just try to hit 1 up air to get her of stage or just for that little but of more %. If you can get off a uptrow uair -> knee be my guest. that will probly cost the sheik her stock ^^
3 uptrow -> knee on high % just like that. YOu did this too =)
4 dying by that up B + downsmash is a bit unfortunate = (
5 when sheik comes at you with a front tilt/down tilt , try to shield it and do a oos nair of up b oos. Or grab when she didnt space it.
Hope this helps, although taking on a `better` oppent will probly help you get better faster
Jeapie
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
Thanks a lot Jeapie!
-Sinister-
Smash Ace
yeah jeapie's probably right. don't play against me anymore. playing against ****ty players will only make you ****tier anyway.
Jeapie
Smash Journeyman
lol if you guys have fun playing against each other its all good right.
Why dont you watch some amsah videos and get better to so that both of you guys can get to a higher level together.
Atleast that is what fernandez and I did
Saturday at Ace smash2 in Amsterdam Fernandez beat Remen in losers finals and I beat Remen in Winners, so we really got good by training like this in a long-term :D
But on the other hand , you also got m2k and Ice who got on the highest level while playing against cpu -_-
n0ne
Smash Ace
a tomahawk is when u do a jump, and instead of attacking in that jump, you just fall back down and do a grab or something else. its kind of a mindgame but its cool and works alot
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
k cool thanks none, i'll try that. lol @ sinister, its ok man. we'll be good someday
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
btw anymore help would be appreciated as well guys
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
I am going to post some more videos from a smashfest here soon... so you guys can help me out some more
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
K so here they are....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlEBm_JDOFU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/9/VHRlexFqXMQ
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/7/QRj_IamlSmw
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/6/g50eI3a8Sbk
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/4/BZnyHDkyrUo
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/2/bA8sPpmSkYA
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/3/ZFwh1RRXqnk
so these are matches against a good player who uses peach, falco and sheik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlEBm_JDOFU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/9/VHRlexFqXMQ
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/7/QRj_IamlSmw
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/6/g50eI3a8Sbk
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/4/BZnyHDkyrUo
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/2/bA8sPpmSkYA
http://www.youtube.com/user/LinkMOBert1#p/u/3/ZFwh1RRXqnk
so these are matches against a good player who uses peach, falco and sheik
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
abit_rusty
Smash Lord
lol tomahawk? you mean empty short hops?
I'll watch some later, I like critiquing falcon vids.
I'll watch some later, I like critiquing falcon vids.
Leviathan741
Smash Ace
so?
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Leviathan741
Smash Ace
actually don't mind critiquing this, I am too terrible for any real substantial improvement to happen so don't waste your lives critiquing these videos.
Smashjin
Smash Ace
Honestly you seem pretty good.
At lower percents sometimes just tech chasing for a regrab is a better option then going for a stomp or something. Just some other things I noticed from the three matches I watched, I'm not sure how your ledge teching is when recovering. Once again I only watched a few so it might only be the one or two I watched, but maybe could work on power shielding Falco's lasers and teching d-airs and stuff.
You're good though, don't give up if you have fun with the game. Maybe just don't worry about improving as much for some time, just take a break from tourneys and just play with friends at fests and stuff for a bit?
Sorry if my advice isn't much help, we're probably pretty close in skill just from watching a few.
At lower percents sometimes just tech chasing for a regrab is a better option then going for a stomp or something. Just some other things I noticed from the three matches I watched, I'm not sure how your ledge teching is when recovering. Once again I only watched a few so it might only be the one or two I watched, but maybe could work on power shielding Falco's lasers and teching d-airs and stuff.
You're good though, don't give up if you have fun with the game. Maybe just don't worry about improving as much for some time, just take a break from tourneys and just play with friends at fests and stuff for a bit?
Sorry if my advice isn't much help, we're probably pretty close in skill just from watching a few.
-Sinister-
Smash Ace
yeah no **** (not to you smashjin) how many times have sam and i told you that. you think you know so much about falcon, yet you don't just ****ing regrab hardly ever.
he doesn't.
lol he's never been to a tournament. he refuses to go to one because he thinks he sucks and also because he's a whiny little *****, just like the typical falcon player (please note that if you are a falcon player who doesn't complain endlessly during every match how unfair the game is because your character is worse than mine, this does not apply to you.).