Critique my Marth! Updated 12/11

[Dr Peepee]

I know that there are a whole lot of Marth ballers out there, so I need some tips now so that I can improve and be of use to the Marth community in turn. These matches are all against my 11 year old bro, Twitch, who mains Fox. Check it out!

I apologize for the pathetic sound and motion capturing in advance. Please try to work around it and help me out.

Dr Peepee(Marth) vs Twitch(Fox) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t-14HKQWIY *Lol at ending!
Dr Peepee(Marth) vs Twitch(Fox) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qXadWukMg
Dr Peepee(Marth) vs Twitch(Fox) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QKiLvBEkPg
Dr Peepee(Blue Marth) vs Twitch(Black Marth) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln3oepTTb5g
Dr Peepee(Marth) vs Twitch(Sheik) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNpanDf9oXw

Thanks for your support, I'm ready for your comments!

New matches for critique! (With good sound!!!)
Dr peepee(Blue Marth) vs Vilt(White Marth) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPDNDu8RDrI
Dr Peepee(Marth) vs Vilt(CF) 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qXkMEqfIOo
Dr Peepee(Marth) vs Vilt(CF) 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wTQ7P_IiPE

doubles matches for critique as well:
Dr Peepee(Marth)+Vilt(CF) vs BEHR(CF)+Twitch(DK) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWb7KoB4whY *The only one I lose, plz watch!
Dr Peepee(Marth)+Twitch(Sheik) vs BEHR and Vilt(CF) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nv1A9IuMx0
Dr Peepee(Marth)+Vilt(Falco) vs Twitch and BEHR(CF) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHX6kcbta0s
Dr Peepee(Marth)+Twitch(Sheik) vs BEHR(Roy)+Vilt(Sheik) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRzoi5egqrU

 

[ComboTurtle]

lol, the vid is sped up... hahaha

 

[Dr Peepee]

I didn't purposefully do that, it's my crappy capturing device. Anyway, if you can still tell what's goin on(I haven't checked),then I could still use the help.

 

[ComboTurtle]

ah ok, well you should probably try and fix that... its out of control, i only watched the first vid... u seemed to do fairly well except it was hard to tell cause im a little drunk and it was going way too fast.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I didn't realize it would bother anyone this much...fine then. In addition to critquing my Marth, any suggestions for straightening out my vid? Should I change the quality or what?

 

[Summit^]

Good job Dr. I'd say that you have a very solid marth =)

My only advice is to f-air a little more for greater combo potential on some of your approaches.

So, all that I'm suggesting is to maybe add a bit more variation to your combos/approaches.

Nice job tho =) (Hope I helped)

 

[brawlpro]

Make it so the audio isn't over 9000 seconds behind the gameplay!!!!!!

 

[Dr Peepee]

Alright, I guess I'll check out the "Approache with Marth" thread again to make sure I can get some variety. Brawlpro, I told you it was gonna be bad. I don't really know how to fix it either.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

practice your combos and fluidity. the first combo on the fox you were like shffl uair (without the shffl) to usmash.

also play against a fox that wont upb directly into you and get fsmashed instead of going for the edge or a platform.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Well, how should it be more fluid? Which combos? I would like specific things to work on if you don't mind.

 

[ArcNatural]

Well, how should it be more fluid? Which combos? I would like specific things to work on if you don't mind.

That's a problem. Your better off just being familiar with what you can do than have automatic combos. Based on DI and how you hit them may make you have to do another attack that you can't react in time if you are trying to do some set combo in your mind. Marth's fluidness comes from dashdancing well, shffls to dashdances are clean and not slow, dtilts are canceled effectively. Also remember that Marth doesn't have a ranged attack, so make sure dashdancing and your spacing is in a close enough proximity of your opponent to make them feel the pressure of Marth's range.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Ohhh, ok that helps. I kinda based alot of the things I do off of matches I've watched, but I guess I forgot to keep the pressure on there. Thanks for that, Arc.

 

[_SSnakeKen]

you were playing too predictable mix up your patterns maybe try a movement style that keeps fox at bay or utilizes you range more productively . as far as pressure with you constant controlling the match with a set rhythm/ movement with that set movement pressuring will be automatic

 

[Dr Peepee]

I understand what you want me to do, but are there specifics behind the way to do it? I guess as long as I vary my approaches and defensive tactics I should be able to throw him off as well right? I'm not asking for specifically "when he does this, you do that" type of thing, but maybe pick out a part that I did something when I should have done something else. I'm not trying to be difficult, I just want to improve. Thanks for the comments! Keep em comin!

 

[undyinglight]

I agree with SnakeKen try to mix things up to stay unpredictable.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Could I have an example of what I did wrong in a vid and a correction maybe? I appreciate the comments, but an example of a place where I screwed up would be helpful as well.

 

[ArcNatural]

One thing I noticed was your overuse of shffl to uptilt. Your brother isn't very good yet he seems to go for style rather than actually playing effectively (don't jump out to shine Marth, work on other edgegaurd tactics). There where quite a few times in the first few matches when you would shffl to uptilt when he:
A. Wouldn't get hit by it.
B. Wasn't approaching.

You may not have the reflexes to pull it off yet, but you really can if you pay attention to your opponent be able to uptilt only in the correct situations. You approach was pretty readable but it's hard to point out when your brother didn't play you very well. Double jump fakeouts would have worked against you, as well as running up and shielding, and of course dash dance camping. You can't really fix what's not broken since everything you do against your brother he couldn't punish effectively and you were in control. My advice is to get your brother up to par and to play better players to critique against in the meantime.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Hmmm...I do notice that the SHHFL to Utilt was something I had to get rid of, good point. So, you're saying that most of my approaches are the exact same? That's probably right, but I feel safest with the SHHFLd Fair approache. I have read the "Approache with Marth" thread, but everything just doesn't seem to work as well. Finally, since my approache is predictable, I guess the best thing I could do to avoid getting punished would be to do double aerials and dash cancelled Dtilts? I appreciate your comments and patience everyone, thank you.

 

[ArcNatural]

Hmmm...I do notice that the SHHFL to Utilt was something I had to get rid of, good point. So, you're saying that most of my approaches are the exact same? That's probably right, but I feel safest with the SHHFLd Fair approache. I have read the "Approache with Marth" thread, but everything just doesn't seem to work as well. Finally, since my approache is predictable, I guess the best thing I could do to avoid getting punished would be to do double aerials and dash cancelled Dtilts? I appreciate your comments and patience everyone, thank you.

The problem is, your not getting punished for it. There is no real way to help change the way you play unless you play better and different styles that your forced to adapt to. For all you know, against your brother double aerials and dash cancelled dtilts would be bad, especially the dtilts because your brother jumps alot. If your brother dash danced camped alot dash canceled dtilts and wavedash Fsmashes can be mixed in. It's all little style changes depending on what style you play. It's really hard to try to be more unpredictable when your brother was pretty easy for you to read (i.e. he was just as predictable).

 

[Dr Peepee]

Ah, good point yet again. Hmmm...I guess the best thing to do now is to play other people and learn how to play and adapt to as many different play styles as I can, plus my borther and I do play every day, so he is kinda readable at times. Thanks for the quick response dude. Keep the comments comin!

 

[Dr Peepee]

Plz review my new matches to see how I do and critique. Sound quality is there, so you can focus on the matches.