Create a character?

[caneut]

Simple rules. Choose any characters size, weight, floatyness, and you can choose any move from any moveset to accompy this character. Kirby utilt with falcon uair, pika up b and samus charge? The imagination is up to you!

 

[Vale]

I probably missed either a few good character moves or even an entire attack.

Size: Kirby (after up-b size increase)
Weight: Donkey Kong
Float: Samus
Jumps: Yoshi
Jab: Fox
Grab: Fox
Fthrow: Falcon
Bthrow: Ness
Utilt: Kirby
Dtilt: Fox
Ftilt: Pikachu? (idk)
Uair: Fox
Dair: Ness
Bair: Ness
Fair: Pikachu
Nair: Pikachu
Fsmash: Fox
Usmash: Falcon
Dsmash: Link
Neutral B: Fox
Up-B: Pikachu
Down-B: Jigglypuff (NTSC), Fox
Shield: Yoshi
Techs/Rolls: no idea

 

[clubbadubba]

i've always wanted to make this thread, time to pwn all you noobs

Size: kirby
Weight/float: fox
1st jump: fox
2nd jump: pikachu
Jab: Fox
Grab: pikachu
Fthrow: puff
Bthrow: dk
Utilt: Kirby
Dtilt: Fox
Ftilt: yoshi
Uair: pikachu
Dair: samus
Bair: samus
Fair: fox
Nair: puff
Fsmash: kirby
Usmash: fox
Dsmash: puff
Neutral B: Fox
Up-B: Pikachu
Down-B: puff
Shield/parry bull****: Yoshi
Techs/Rolls: fox
dash/sprint: falcon
dash attack: falcon

neutral game:
-got fox's laser game
-pika double uair is an option (pretty sure it'd work with fox's first jump?)
-puff nair is in play
-falcon dash combined with pika grab for WTF how you grab me neutral
-kirby utilt for the lulz
-fox jab for back off bro
-fox fair for... some things
-falcon dash attack to deal with all you nubs getting kirby utilt

combo game:
-too many things to count into rest
-fox fair/pika utilt for horizontal combos, with fox usmash for easy finish
-fox dtilt/jab for combo continuers
-yoshi ftilt to samus bair/dair for easy ledge finishes

tech chase game:
-lasers sheermadness style
-samus dair if you come under me
-kirby fsmash for easy platform tech chases

edgeguard:
-samus dair/bair for high reads
-puff dsmash/fox dtilt/fox jab to cover edge

recovery:
-PIKACHU

combo breaker:
-PIKACHU

 

[ciaza]

i swear this thread as been made before lol

people just made a character with the 'best' move, and didn't really think about how those moves would interact/combo with each other

though thinking about a captain falcon that can rest his opponents is always fun

 

[caneut]

You guys forgetting mario broll? DK froll?

 

[kys]

i swear this thread as been made before lol

people just made a character with the 'best' move, and didn't really think about how those moves would interact/combo with each other

though thinking about a captain falcon that can rest his opponents is always fun

Pretty sure you're right.

Another part about this, besides the movesets, is the character makeup. A kirby body with Samus's bair isn't nearly as effective because of chode feet. So, besides moves, what's the best Frankenstein character? Generally speaking, I'd go with Kirby body and Link swords to make disjointed hitboxes, but that's just me.

 

[clubbadubba]

i think the idea is that the hitboxes are not affect by the character size. so samus bair is just as big, while the characters hurtbox is still small

 

[MrMarbles]

Size: DK
Weight/float: link
1st jump: luigi
2nd jump: link
Jab: pika
Grab: samus
Fthrow: fox
Bthrow: fox
Utilt: falcon
Dtilt: link
Ftilt: dk?
Uair: kirby
Dair: yoshi
Bair: jiggly
Fair: kirby
Nair: ness
Fsmash: mario
Usmash: samus
Dsmash: pika
Neutral B: ness
Up-B: jiggly
Down-B: ness
roll:samus
tech: pika
dash/sprint: luigi

basically the dodo bird of smash. if you can succeed with this character you are truly a bad ass

 

[Sangoku]

IMO the following are worse:
- Yoshi's grab
- Kirby's throws
- Samus' utilt
- Jiggly's dtilt
- Fox's dair (especially if combined with Luigi's jump)
- Samus' s dsmash

And maybe more.

Also Vale, Fox grab? Are you serious?

 

[Saltsizzle]

Size: Kirby
Weight: DK
Float: Samus
Jumps: Yoshi
Grab: Pikachu
FThrow: Pikachu
BThrow: DK
Neutral A: Fox
Utilt: Kirby
Dtilt: Fox
Ftilt: Yoshi
Dash attack: Link
Uair: Falcon
Dair: Kirby
Bair: Falcon
Fair: Link
Nair: Yoshi
Fsmash: Kirby
Usmash: Mario
Dsmash: Fox
Neutral B: Fox
Up-B: Pikachu
Down-B: Jigglypuff
Shield: Yoshi
Techs/Rolls: Fox
Dash: Fox
Sprint: Falcon

 

[MrMarbles]

IMO the following are worse:
- Yoshi's grab
- Kirby's throws
- Samus' utilt
- Jiggly's dtilt
- Fox's dair (especially if combined with Luigi's jump)
- Samus' s dsmash

And maybe more.

Also Vale, Fox grab? Are you serious?

i figured i was missing stuff thnx

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

Yoshi
+ fox's laser
+ pika's up b

can djc with laser

get wrecked

 

[Sedda]

Honestly mine would probably just be Fox with pika usmash (don't know the framedata, but pika's upsmash is faster right?), pika up b, and falcon dair. Otherwise he's perfect <3

edit oh and pika grab. his grab makes me puke

 

[caneut]

Honestly mine would probably just be Fox with pika usmash (don't know the framedata, but pika's upsmash is faster right?), pika up b, and falcon dair. Otherwise he's perfect <3

edit oh and pika grab. his grab makes me puke

Fox with Pika upb, ness dair, get rid of the flutter kick and make jab spam easier, kirby nair, and whoever has the best ftilts.

 

[MrMarbles]

Honestly mine would probably just be Fox with pika usmash (don't know the framedata, but pika's upsmash is faster right?), pika up b, and falcon dair. Otherwise he's perfect <3

edit oh and pika grab. his grab makes me puke

i think theres just less ending lag idk if its faster to come out

 

[Sedda]

yeah thats what i meant. comboing ffallers with upsmash and then eventually into spike sounds sexy

 

[Sangoku]

Fox's Usmash comes faster (and his head is blue), but has more ending lag.

If this is still not in your bookmarks, then I don't know what to say.

 

[rjgbadger]

thank you based mcg

 

[Annex]

ok so DK
foxs dtilt
yoshis ftilt
marios dash

it would be.....unfair

 

[Olikus]

a combination of DKs downb and luigi upb with captain falcons taunt could be pretty nasty.

 

[KeroKeroppi]

kirby with rest

gg

 

[caneut]

kirby with rest

gg

Says Kero.

 

[Fireblaster]

Yoshi with mario's B, Kirby's bair, pika's dair, pika's upB, fox's up air, kirby's nair, kirby's dtilt, kirby's fsmash, jigglypuff's dsmash, pikachu's grab/throws.

It's the yoshi you all know except literally any attack of his will guarantee a shield break. He not only has combos on every character, but a million more scenarios where all of his combos will lead to death. To facilitate landing these combos, yoshi now has the combined power of kirby, pikachu, and mario's neutral game to form an impenetrable wall of death. Yoshi's double jump with pikachu's up B make yoshi virtually un-edgeguardable. He also has so many more ways to edgeguard the rest of the cast that they're left second guessing themselves on which way to recover to avoid any potential edgeguard.

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

Kriby, but make every tilt just becomes utilt in a different direction,

 

[caneut]

Kriby, but make every tilt just becomes utilt in a different direction,

Not how it works kirby noob.

 

[MrMarbles]

u said make any character. seems like thats how it works

 

[caneut]

u said make any character. seems like thats how it works

Well for one I wasn't really being serious, just messing with fatbert.

Secondly, it is not how it works. I said make a moveset, and any tilt thats not utilt that has kirbys utilt hitbox is not a move in the games moveset, does not exist. You have to choose any characters ftilt for ftilt, not utilt for ftilt. But I'm not taking this seriously, just wanted to point that out.

 

[MrMarbles]

fair enough

 

[Sangoku]

Not fair, he said utilt.












That never gets old

 

[Saltsizzle]

Size: Kirby
Weight: DK
Float: Samus
Jumps: Yoshi
Grab: Pikachu
FThrow: Pikachu
BThrow: DK
Neutral A: Fox
Utilt: Kirby
Dtilt: Fox
Ftilt: Yoshi
Dash attack: Link
Uair: Falcon
Dair: Kirby
Bair: Falcon
Fair: Link
Nair: Yoshi
Fsmash: Kirby
Usmash: Mario
Dsmash: Fox
Neutral B: Fox
Up-B: Pikachu
Down-B: Jigglypuff
Shield: Yoshi
Techs/Rolls: Fox
Dash: Fox
Sprint: Falcon

I would change the dash attack to mario's and my taunt would obviously be falcon's.

Now I have time to explain myself.
This character would be able to:

Easy shield break/combo with Kirby Dair and utilt.
Kirby's dair spike
Yoshi DJC
Yoshi parry/shield covers whole body
Zone with Fox Lasers
Strong throws
If lose yoshi jumps recover with Pika up-B
Combo with falcon u-air
Tons of set ups to jigg's rest (fox jab, yoshi ftilt)
Fastest dash/run speed

The only way to balance this beast would be if the character automatically died at 30% or something like that.

 

[clubbadubba]

i don't think falcon's uair would be all that great to combo with using yoshi's jump. Plus falcon uair loses a lot of finishing ability without falcon's up-b to touch off the combo.

to anyone who knows, how difficult would it be to make this actually happen? Is a simple moveswap, in terms of only hitboxes and not animations, really that difficult?

 

[ballin4life]

Lot of people sleeping on Yoshi's dash attack IMO

Kirby sized Fox with Pika upB is a pretty good start. Let's give him Kirby's utilt and Pika's uair as his fair. Throw in Yoshi's double jump (super armor + DJC), Yoshi's shield (duh), and Yoshi's dash attack / ftilt for extra combo potential. While we're at it: Yoshi's fair as his dair. DK's grab, Falcon fthrow DK bthrow. Samus floatiness maybe so that he's tough to combo (assuming this doesn't mess up his feel in attacking/comboing). Kirby nair because why not.

and of course ...

Falcon's 100% ledge get up attack

 

[clubbadubba]

No using uairs as fairs noob follow the rules.

 

[ballin4life]

That's not how I read the OP, but if not then can keep Fox's fair and change dair to like Falcon's or Kirby's.

While I'm at it let's give Kirby's third fourth fifth jumps as well.

 

[MrTea]

link with higher up b

 

[caneut]

link with higher up b

Play Madao's patch

 

[Madao]

to anyone who knows, how difficult would it be to make this actually happen? Is a simple moveswap, in terms of only hitboxes and not animations, really that difficult?

Depends. If you mean simply patching a rom for emulator, the only challenge is compression (which still hasn't been worked out 100% yet) and making sure the data all fits. Changing hitbox properties is easy, but adding additional data takes work.