Continuous Waveshining

[Shai Hulud]

Who said anything about using your knuckle? I SH with Y and I use the tip of my finger. It's not complicated.

 

[RaynEX]

I know how to regular sH...i tap Y with my thumb. Its when your shdling...

Your index knuckle should be resting on X while your thumb has access to c-stick,a, and b.

 

[Shai Hulud]

Yeah that's nonsense. You don't have to use X or your knuckle to claw. And unlike arcnatural I actually claw, 100% of the time. Just press Y with the tip of your index finger.

 

[RaynEX]

?

so like...your index and thumb like this: > (the top line being your index on Y, the bottom line being your thumb on B/c-stick)

 

[Oskurito]

claw= weird,sick but good. Meh... if shdl is your problem keep using the control stick.

 

[RaynEX]

I initially had no problem with it. Until I felt that I was less technical because of it. Its the like the easy way out. loll.

 

[Shai Hulud]

That's just stupid. Clawing makes a lot of techniques easier but it requires practice and retraining of your finger muscles. It took me a long time to get as technical as I am and it's not just because I claw. Yeah, I can shoot SHDL while DIing backwards with double shines in between, which would be almost impossible without clawing, but that doesn't make it easy or take away from the skill involved.

 

[3GOD]

Clawing is good and doesn't take THAT long to get your skill back. I've picked it up so that I can start out using it for Brawl. I claw similarly to Shai, except I think he uses the R-button which I don't use at all.

I use my right hand thumb for A, B, C-Stick; index finger for Y; middle finger for Z-cancelling and grabbing; fourth finger rests on R but is not used; and my pinky finger just hangs around under R king of.

I use my left index finger on L for wavedashing/shielding, and my thumb for the control stick.

I first picked up this grip seriously about 2 weeks ago - initially I couldn't even SH consistently with Falco, but now I can double shine well and do all my SHL tactics just about as well as I could before the claw. I think I will be better off for clawing in the long run...just hope brawl has some characters that can take advantage of it.

 

[RaynEX]

CHILL.

I meant that the SHDLing with the CONTROL STICK is the easy way out.

 

[Oskurito]

claw ftw

 

[Shai Hulud]

CHILL.

I meant that the SHDLing with the CONTROL STICK is the easy way out.

My bad. In the end it doesn't really matter if something is the easy way out...do whatever works best.

 

[SCOTU]

Yeah, I can shoot SHDL while DIing backwards with double shines in between, which would be almost impossible without clawing

this made me lol. It's not even close to impossible without clawing. Clawing just provides a method to let people press buttons closer together in timing if they can't move their fingers from one button to another fast enough. The drawback is they have to learn to press the buttons with two different finger timings.

IMO it's not worth it to claw because of retraining of fingers involved, and if your fingers are fast enough from one button to another, there's no issue to not clawing. also, instead of retraining your fingers, which could mess up your overall game during your learning of it, training your fingers to move faster just by playing faster won't. That's my opinion, and the arguments that i came up with when i considered learning to claw. I also have nothing against people that do claw. I just think it would be easier for someone (and better for their game in the medium run) to learn to move their fingers faster w/o clawing.

 

[Shai Hulud]

Yeah well you don't really know if it's worth it since you don't claw, now do you?

I haven't seen anyone do the SHDL while DIing the full distance except Hylian and myself. And even if you can do it it's certainly more difficult and you probably wouldn't do it in game, like I do.

And you can't do frame perfect SHFFLs with the C-stick and some other techniques without clawing. Impossible.

It's not that hard to use your index finger unless you have no dexterity at all, in which case you'd probably suck at Smash anyway. I think people just don't like doing new things.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Shai, you're coming off as arrogant and all knowing of fox's abilities and techniques, I'd be abit more open minded about things, especially when talking to scotu, who shows hes got a solid grip on fox's technical game for the most part.

 

[Shai Hulud]

I'm talking about clawing and why it wins. I'm not talking about Fox's abilities and techniques except insofar as they can be used to demonstrate the benefits of clawing.

And Scotu has always come across as anti-clawing whenever I mention it. This is actually a common attitude. Clawing > normal grip. If you become very fast with a normal grip, you can APPROACH the technical limits of clawing but you won't get there. I don't see why this is even contested. If you have two fingers to manipulate face buttons as opposed to one, then you can manipulate the face buttons faster than with one finger. The End.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

See, theres where my arrogance remark comes into play, such as you using "The End" like you're automaticly correct. It doesn't make you look bright and it comes off as annoying.

Talk more civil, this isn't a contest of who can be more of a dic* about agruing or else 5150 would come in here and pwn.

 

[Force Frontal by Chicken]

thebluedeath, stop being a douche bag. with that being said. claw ftl.

 

[thebluedeath1000]

oh yes, me suggesting we need to be abit more open minded and friendly makes me a bad person.

You're an idiot chicken.

Nevermind, go back to being pricks to each other.

 

[Metà]

what? you can JC the shine any time after the 4th frame.

This is a common misconception. You can JC on the 4th frame or any time after, but only if you don't hit anyone. If you hit someone, you will add 3 frames of hitstun, so you won't be able to JC until the 7th frame. I'm sure I'm not the only one who sometimes jumps too fast when hitting an opponent with a shine. I can never go too fast when I'm just doing it by myself, but sometimes there is too much hitstun.

 

[jwkirby64]

I can waveshine to the point of where link is a goner, but lighter characters are still harder for me

 

[RaynEX]

"I can waveshine to the point of where link is a goner, but lighter characters are still harder for me "

lmao. That made my day.