Complete Wish Lists for the next PM release after 3.0

[RomeDogg]

Lets share and discuss our complete wish lists for the next release of PM in order to kind of help the PMBR get ideas for different content. Here is mine.

*{General Mechanics}
-[Melee Tether Mechanics at least for Link/Samus

*{Characters}
-[Link:
-----Melee grab range.
-----More Melee-esque projectiles
-[Peach:
-----Side-B wall climb from Melee
-[Alloys/Master Hand/Crazy Hand
-----A way to access them like how you access Giga Bowser would be super cool.

*{Stages}
-[2.5's SSE:Jungle's return
-[Brawl Online Waiting Rooms return

*{Costumes}
-[Bowser:
-----King Koopa Costume
http://www.shadowlordinc.com/characters/2-King-Koopa.jpg
-----Melee Bowser Model (his first costume)
http://cubemedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/supersmashmelee/bowser_200.jpg
-----Mario Strikers Charged Bowser
http://www.hmtk.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/bowserms.png
-----Mecha Bowser
http://www.mariowiki.com/images/thumb/6/62/MechaBowserappears.png/640px-MechaBowserappears.png
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZAGLntwpM8
-----Rookie Bowser
http://www.mariomonsters.com/contents/characters/200811/rookie/main.jpg
-[Charizard:
-----Pokemon The First Movie Costume(cloned/Striped Charizard)
https://www.google.com/search?q=pokemon the first movie charizard&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=n_6tUvzcNdSlsQSbloHoDQ&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=939&bih=586#q=pokemon the first movie clone charizard&tbm=isch&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=w1qcn0NDG6QGIM:;ptQiWyvAHwSxSM;http%3A%2F%2Fimages4.fanpop.com%2Fimage%2Fphotos%2F23800000%2FCharizard-charizard-23875878-768-576.png;http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fanpop.com%2Fclubs%2Fcharizard%2Fimages%2F23875878%2Ftitle%2Fcharizard-screencap;768;576
-[Ganondorf
-----Melee costume set
-[Link:
-----The Black Melee Costume
-[Luigi:
-----Frog Suit
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...XEC04cwRhw7YnA4QTanlAW4kVXuWk_DtNvSRZqm37gYXw
-[Peach:
-----Mario Strikers Charged Peach
http://www.walldime.com/static/wall...incess-peach-wallpaper-1024x768-wallpaper.jpg
-[Jigglypuff:
-----The Green head band from melee
-[Samus:
-----Metroid Fusion Costume
http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100214233735/metroid/images/a/a2/Fusion_Suit_art.jpg
-----The Light Suit
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/6828/451522-light_samsu_.jpg
-----The Original Power Suit
http://lvls.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/metroid-powersuit.jpg
-[Zero Suit Samus:
-----Justin Bailey from the original Metroids.
http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE...esin_justin_bailey_by_pixel_ninja-d3fru2l.jpg
-----Any of the original looks from the classic games
http://www.metroid-database.com/features/2d_endings.jpg

*{New Content}
-[Characters:
-----Pichus Return
-----Young Links Return
-[Stages:
-----Sector Z (SSB64)
http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/7/76/SectorZSSB.png
-----Yoshi's Island (SSB64)(Without Clouds)
http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/e/e6/YoshisStorySSB.png
-----Kongo Jungle (Melee) (Without barrel)
http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060726142448/ssb/images/6/6d/Kongojungle.jpg
-----Snag The Trophies Stage (Melee)
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9951/al1212210324binout.jpg
-----Test Stage (Melee)
http://nintendo3dsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Test_Stage_SSBM.jpg
-----Link Battle Areas (Adventure Mode, Underground Maze) (Melee)
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/oi8FyYmOAuE/hqdefault.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Hx3mOq5BEeM/maxresdefault.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/XDGxvwyX8mA/hqdefault.jpg
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/eGFozHiHFpM/hqdefault.jpg
http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thumb...riforce.png/159px-UndergroundMazeTriforce.png

*{Taunts}
-[Mario:
-----A quick tap taunt that allows Mario to wear his cape until he does his side B.
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/093/0/f/Cape_Mario_Sprite_by_nardsofdoom.png
-----A quick tap taunt that allows Mario to wear the raccoon tail/ears until he taunts again.
http://scm-l3.technorati.com/11/11/15/56025/super-mario-raccoon-suit.jpg?t=20111115162315
-----A quick tap taunt that allows Mario to wear his Wing Cap until he taunts again
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110223220721/fantendo/images/6/66/WingMario.png

 

[RomeDogg]

I want the Link Battle Area stages to like maybe transform during the fights or to load a random set up each time you play it or something. Otherwise maybe make each set up individually.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

Why do you want Brawl`s Wifi stage back? the new one is better in every way.

 

[Ginge]

And considering Distant Planet is just SSE: Jungle, reskinned, we don't really need to go back. It's got the stage we want, while still giving Olimar a stage of his own. If you want SSE: Jungle, I'd suggest modding your copy of Project M.

 

[Tugnus]

This is never gonna happen but I want a legit C. Falcon buff. lol

 

[Bazkip]

-[Characters:
-----Pichus Return
-----Young Links Return

Why? They've got almost nothing to offer, I'd much rather those slots go to characters who'd bring new things to the table.
Young Link could be a costume for Toon Link though.

 

[Ginge]

I could see Pichu being done well if PMBR wanted to incorporate him. But he would need to not be a joke character to stand up to the current roster. All for it if done right, I guess, despite how many Pokemon we have.

Young Link, however, no.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

Why? They've got almost nothing to offer, I'd much rather those slots go to characters who'd bring new things to the table.
Young Link could be a costume for Toon Link though.

Young Link has different body proportions so hitboxes and animations would look wonky. As for Pichu, he has a result screen icon so take of that as you will.

 

[Hirsine]

Totally different, but a feature that would be good for everyone's gameplay. Tell me what ya think.

I'm thinking an idea to have the pause button option to have a "Hold for 3 seconds to pause", or something similar for matches.
Having it On means that anyone playing that match especially in teams can interrupt the flow of the match, or a pause in match is a disqualification or forfeit of that round
Having it Off means that if a stage was a wrong pick, then the players must SD to exit out.

Or!, as I thought for a setting for this idea just now, people who do lose right before their last stock is gone(aka Rage quit lose)- they do the L+R+A+Start/Pause Button to go to the No Contest screen. In other words, pausing the action isn't possible, but doing the combination goes straight to the No Contest screen.

Just an idea, because mid-game pausing kills the flow of the game. My hands don't touch the Pause button on my GC pad, but a Wii Classic control(I can't comment about the Pro Classic one since I don't have; and no, not the Wii U Pro one ) is likely to be pressed during gameplay.

 

[OrangeSodaGuy]

---Stages---

* N64 Mushroom Kingdom

* N64 Kongo Jungle

* Mute City

---Characters---

* Pichu. The game really use an underdog. Everybody's too legit

---Mechanics---

* Melee-styled wall grapples for Link, Samus, and Toon Link

---Minigames---

* Character-specific Target Tests

* Race to the Finish

* Snag The Trophies!

---Items---

* Red Shells!

* Parasols!

---Costumes---

* Zelda, Sheik, and Ganon need their Melee costume sets.

* a Big Boss costume for Snake!

* Celice and Eliwood costumes for Marth and Roy respectively (NOT alternate skins, just Marth and Roy wearing the clothes that Celice and Eliwood wore, just as a shout to other FE protagonists. A Leaf costume for either one of them would also be pretty sick)

(Robot Ness, "justin bailey" ZSS, Fusion Samus, 1991 Captain Falcon, and the Mario 3 suits as Mario/Luigi alts would also be pretty neat)

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

---Characters---

* Pichu. The game really use an underdog. Everybody's too legit

-

I agree, the fun of beating your friends and tournament opponents with ridiculous characters that you almost never see at a tournament is gone.

 

[OrangeSodaGuy]

Why? They've got almost nothing to offer, I'd much rather those slots go to characters who'd bring new things to the table.
Young Link could be a costume for Toon Link though.

Pichu could work really well as an extremely damaging yet fragile 'glass cannon' character. They could crank up the damage on it's electric moves and make it even faster (but lighter as well) to really make Pichu the 3S Akuma of the game. Either dominate or be dominated.
(They could maybe try giving it's Up+B recovery three "zips" instead of Pika's two to shake things up even further.)

Part of the thrill of fighting games comes not only from owning your friends with awesome characters, but also embarrassing them with lower tiered fighters. The issue with Project M however is that pretty much everybody is good, which leaves no room for that coveted humilation factor. In that sense, P:M could really use an "underdog" character like Pichu to fill that niche.

That and there are people out there who genuinely liked and mained Pichu for 12 years. Not seeing your favorite clone character added wouldn't be nearly as bad as permanently losing a main.

I see your point with Young Link though, if only because most of his unique attributes (flaming Dair, faster Ftilt, multi-hit bombs, flaming arrows, multi-hit spin attack, milk taunt, etc) have been ported over to Toon Link.

Pikachu could never really get away with inheriting Pichu's attributes without becoming a wildly different character (self-damage, stronger electric attacks and headbutt, a non-damaging UpB, a Uair that doesn't spike, a different Usmash, etc.)

EDIT: further Pichu ideas:

Spoiler

* A charge system. Every time Pichu uses thunder or a fully-charged Smash attack, it will be temporarily electrified. While electrified, it's electric attacks will become more powerful, and it will damage anything it touches. It will also take damage itself while in this state.

Furthermore, (if this won't be too broken...)
There are three levels of charge, accessible by electrifying yourself repeatedly before your charge runs out. On each higher level, Pichu's electric attacks will become even stronger, and it will do more damage by touching foes, but it will accumulate more damage to itself, and faster. Risk/reward at it's fullest.

 

[Bazkip]

I can see the merits of Pichu, but with there only being a few slots to add, and him being from an over-saturated series, I feel like there's better choices

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

I can see the merits of Pichu, but with there only being a few slots to add, and him being from an over-saturated series, I feel like there's better choices

I would agree with you if the PMBR had said that they plan on using all 5 slots.

 

[OrangeSodaGuy]

I can see the merits of Pichu, but with there only being a few slots to add, and him being from an over-saturated series, I feel like there's better choices

The only issue is that there's no guarantee that they're going to use all of the spots to begin with. If we knew they were going to use them all then I could understand that concern. If not, then Pichu becomes a far more attractive choice. It also helps that he's by far the safest and easiest choice they could implement. He wouldn't take nearly as much work as the likes of Ridley or Issac (both of whom are awesome, and it would be great to see them added, don't get me wrong).

EDIT: also, the PMBR is more responsible for the Pokemon oversaturation than the original developers, since they were the ones who split PT into three seperate characters to begin with. Don't take this the wrong way, I love you to death PMBR and I can totally see why you guys did it.

I don't really see why we shouldn't bring Pichu back since it's the only Melee vet who isn't accounted for at all in P:M. Pichu could have a playstyle just as interesting as that of many other suggested characters with far less time, work, and effort required (and far less risk of getting into trouble with Nintendo as well). If this were SSB4, then I would totally want other choices in over Pichu, but if we're talking about a Melee sequel, we may as well bring the nerfed rat back. Roy was a low-tier clone as well, and look at how much fun he is to play D:

But that's just my two cents-- I don't mean this to get too carried away or to attack anybody. *shrug*

 

[Kes]

If they aren't using every slot then from my perspective that's even less reason to use Pichu. If they use all 5, at least we get 4 more fan favorite characters. If all we're getting is one or two, then Pichu is taking away all the chance for Ridley, Isaac, Lyndis or whoever. If we're only getting the one or two, I'd rather that one or two be real special and hype worthy, not some old already seen clone that didn't take much work anyways. Yeah he'd be easier to make, bit if we aren't getting all five I'd rather they go all out on the ones we do get.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

If they aren't using every slot then from my perspective that's even less reason to use Pichu. If they use all 5, at least we get 4 more fan favorite characters. If all we're getting is one or two, then Pichu is taking away all the chance for Ridley, Isaac, Lyndis or whoever. If we're only getting the one or two, I'd rather that one or two be real special and hype worthy, not some old already seen clone that didn't take much work anyways. Yeah he'd be easier to make, bit if we aren't getting all five I'd rather they go all out on the ones we do get.

InfStc.351, that`s all I really have to say

 

[SpiderMad]

Why do you want Brawl`s Wifi stage back? the new one is better in every way.

I hope they make the Camera zoom in less

 

[Ginge]

Top of my wish list:

Purple Team in team battles. Give all the characters a Project M purple color scheme, and add Purple Team to the list of options if possible. I get that you only technically NEED three teams due to four teams in a battle would be Free-For-All, but an extra team color to choose from could be cool.

 

[TreK]

General stuff :
-the stars for KOs on the character selection screen are replaced by the amount of matches won since picking the tag.
-the features page on the pmgame website
-independant shoulder buttons
-renaming the input assist 'buffering', and/or making it tag specific.
-double blind pick mode
-PAL version. I don't care that it delays the update a couple months. It's been a pain getting people interested in P:M in PAL regions, even with P:M 3.0, because you're giving them an excuse.
-A music/texture installer app perhaps ?
-a turbo mode event match
-double dedede easter egg on dreamland

Costumes :
-Captain Falcon without his helmet
-ZSS in her Other M military clothes.
-Squirtle Squad Leader
-Mega Charizard X and Y

Stages :
-Wifi training room from Brawl. Srsly, the one you put is fine and all, but the one from brawl offers a unique mechanic that I'd love to explore and see people explore. The only thing that would be bad about it would be Ivysaur.


Characters :
-Lyn
-Not Pichu

Balance changes :
-Pressing R at the beginning of the match will replace Dedede's character model with a sandbag.
-No but seriously, that is your job, PMBR. GLHF.

 

[Saito]

>"Wish list for PM thread"
>Opens
>Ctrl+F
>Pichu
>"Pichu Returns"
>MFW

 

[Giygacoal]

general stuff:
-animation polishes
-costume lag fix

stages:
melee battlefield, changed to be functionally the same as the brawl battlefield. the brawl one is too bright (without having vibrant mario-type colors) for my taste. the smash 4 one looks excellent though.

costumes:
fusion suits for both halo and zero
shades squirtle
sir aaron lucario

color swaps:
goodra charizard
shiny squirtle
the black with red glow armored mewtwo that someone in the br posted on reddit

characters:
ridley
lyn
(both with super hype trailers)

-Mega Charizard X and Y.

They can't officially include mega evolutions. the modeler just released mewtwo y on brawlvault, though.

 

[Abeebo]

-Wifi training room from Brawl. Srsly, the one you put is fine and all, but the one from brawl offers a unique mechanic that I'd love to explore and see people explore.

What 'unique' mechanic do you speak of? Aside from the always-on sandbag (which is in the new Training Room anyway), I can't possibly think of what else that stage has to offer over any other aside from being a longer Final Destination (IS it longer?).

 

[Abeebo]

I'd be down for purple damage meter instead of red.

 

[Giygacoal]

Also, Project M's composer should come up with an official theme.

 

[MLGF]

I just want all of the single player to function properly. It'd be nice to play SSE without freezing >_>.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

The only thing I'd personally want is for the entire cast to be able to walljump.

Seriously, it's silly that only some can and not others.

 

[_Liquid_]

Also, Project M's composer should come up with an official theme.

Project M already has an official theme

 

[TreK]

What 'unique' mechanic do you speak of? Aside from the always-on sandbag (which is in the new Training Room anyway), I can't possibly think of what else that stage has to offer over any other aside from being a longer Final Destination (IS it longer?).

Have you played on the new training room ? You can't have a serious match there. On the regular training room, you can.
You know the reason items are banned, right ? It's because their spawning location and timing are random, and thus you can't plan ahead with them. This sandbag does not fall under these caracteristics. If that isn't a unique mechanic to you, I don't know what is.

 

[Abeebo]

Have you played on the new training room ? You can't have a serious match there. On the regular training room, you can.
You know the reason items are banned, right ? It's because their spawning location and timing are random, and thus you can't plan ahead with them. This sandbag does not fall under these caracteristics. If that isn't a unique mechanic to you, I don't know what is.

If you're talking about bans and whatnot, I assume you're into 1v1 tourney play. Items are banned because they mess with tourney play, period. You can't have a serious match with the original wifi room either, SOLELY because of the sandbag. Don't you think that the sandbag would mess with some people's projectiles, at least? This is exactly why the new one is on Page 2, where the 1v1 tourney-illegal stages go.

 

[arcticfox8]

All I want is some new Icies colors. And more hats on the original Pokémon duo. Yeah, than I'll be content.

 

[Kes]

I would like the ability to start as Wario Man and Metal Mario through the same method as playing Giga Bowser. Maybe make the Hands and Alloys selectable as well.

Bowser's Castle stage
Another FE stage
64 Mushroom Kingdom

Lyndis, Issac, Palutena, Toad and Saki Amamiya as characters.

More alt costumes. Fill all 10 slots for everyone.
Skyward Sword Zelda (Sheik based on Impa?)
Skyward Sword Link
OoT Ganondorf
Minish Cap, Link to the Past and Engineer Toon Link
Justin Bailey, Zero Mission ending and Other M military Zamus
Light Suit, PED Suit for Samus. Maybe Dark Samus too
Boshi for Yoshi
Real color changes for Pikachu and Jiggs, still wearing hats
Bigglypuff
First movie clone alts for Pokemon
Team colors for Wolfs alt
Old school Captain Falcon, and maybe no helmet
DLC art from Awakening for all FE lords
Ike's promoted class from Radiant Dawn
Team colors for FE alts
Any of Snakes many choices
Team colors for Boxer Kong

 

[Jade_Rock55]

Characters:

Roy-His up b would go a bit higher
A couple clone engine characters I don't really care who maybe Issac and Ridley.

Costumes:
All characters get some kind of alt costumes.

Make the SSE work I can't even get to the first fight and add the CE characters to the list after you beat the game and unlock everyone.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

Characters:

Roy-His up b would go a bit higher
A couple clone engine characters I don't really care who maybe Issac and Ridley.

Costumes:
All characters get some kind of alt costumes.

Make the SSE work I can't even get to the first fight and add the CE characters to the list after you beat the game and unlock everyone.

Roy`s Up-B goes high enough, think of him as the Falco to Marth.

 

[arcticfox8]

Team colors for Boxer Kong would be great. Mr. L could use alt colors, too. Also, Alt colors for Party Pika would be gr8, and Jiggs should get her bow collection back.

 

[Jade_Rock55]

Roy`s Up-B goes high enough, think of him as the Falco to Marth.

That's true about Falco to Marth,still want SSE to work can anyone get to the Mario vs Kirby match?

 

[Abeebo]

The only thing I'd personally want is for the entire cast to be able to walljump.

Seriously, it's silly that only some can and not others.

Unless everyone doesn't have a problem with significantly rebalancing the characters, It would be quite risky and possibly overwhelming to give that kind of tech to just any character. Off the top of my head, multi-jump characters would have absurd airtime and a CRAZY recovery advantage one stages with walls, and characters designed to do all their work ON the stage would be able to stretch their powers even further about the stage. Some might not even have much of a use for it. Those that already have walljumps get nothing.
Probably why you only see this feature in Brawl Minus.

 

[PastLink]

jeezus, why'd we have to have ANOTHER pichu argument? some people want him some people don't guys we've seen it a hundred times already give it a break. anyways, I'll post my wishlist in the next post.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

jeezus, why'd we have to have ANOTHER pichu argument? some people want him some people don't guys we've seen it a hundred times already give it a break. anyways, I'll post my wishlist in the next post.

I`ve been counting and you are far off. We have discussed it approximately 36 times including this one.

 

[RomeDogg]

Why do you want Brawl`s Wifi stage back? the new one is better in every way.

One side of the stage is a huge wall so you must KO from up or the right side only. Plus it has an extremely high ceiling making your primary option for a KO the right side. These attributes make it good for practicing certain things I suppose and it is a good looking stage but you can't even turn it off of random stage select. That and the fact that it replaces the Brawl WiFi room which is a better stage for warming up before a match. I would like the stage if it didn't replace the WiFi room. Besides the exclusion of the sandbag from the Training Room would make the stage seem more fitting, because it looks like a classical fighters stage so the sandbag throws off the vibe they seem to be going for anyway. Also the WiFi waiting room is one of the most wanted PM playable stages by PM fans. Finally if the Online Practice stage was chosen at random for a match at least it is nearly acceptable for competitive play where as the Training Room is not in the slightest.

"justin bailey" ZSS

I agree with that one too I didn't know about her till now. I might just edit my wish list and also add that.

---Stages---
and the Mario 3 suits as Mario/Luigi alts would also be pretty neat)

also yes that and maybe even other classic suits split between the two of them

And considering Distant Planet is just SSE: Jungle, reskinned, we don't really need to go back. It's got the stage we want, while still giving Olimar a stage of his own. If you want SSE: Jungle, I'd suggest modding your copy of Project M.

I'm talking about the Demo 2.5 version of the stage just before they shrank it in Demo 2.6. It was a fun fairish mess around stage.

Why? They've got almost nothing to offer, I'd much rather those slots go to characters who'd bring new things to the table.
Young Link could be a costume for Toon Link though.

Young Link is way cooler than Toon Link and he is different than Toon Link.

Pichu definitely deserves a spot, he is no more a clone then Falco and Roy and they returned.