Colleges need to stop calling all courses Science and Engineering

[1048576]

Seriously, the administration just sticks these words to the end of every course title to make it sound cooler. Words have meaning. Science is a type of study that employs the scientific method. There's no "Political Science" Engineering means building stuff. There's no Agricultural Engineering.

Nobody respects language anymore. It's all about who can link the best sounding string of syllables together.

I'm undecided on my major by the way. Which looks better, computer science or software enginnering? I'm tempted to go with the latter since engineering actually has meaning in that context.

 

[Aesir]

Seriously, the administration just sticks these words to the end of every course title to make it sound cooler. Words have meaning. Science is a type of study that employs the scientific method. There's no "Political Science" Engineering means building stuff. There's no Agricultural Engineering.

Nobody respects language anymore. It's all about who can link the best sounding string of syllables together.

I'm undecided on my major by the way. Which looks better, computer science or software enginnering? I'm tempted to go with the latter since engineering actually has meaning in that context.

Lol not very well informed are we?

Political Science is a social science that deals with the study of political practices and behavior.

Just like any social science it's a field that requires findings to be go through scrutiny and the like.

 

[KillerSOS]

Science does have a meaning on the worlds

You sir. Fail.

 

[1048576]

Do any of your posts ever have substance, Killer SOS?

Social science doesn't deal with quantifiable parameters. Therefore its data collection is inadequate for forming theories in the proper sense of the word. Therefore it isn't science. What's wrong with calling it political studies, or something to that effect?

 

[Mic_128]

Engineering means building stuff. There's no Agricultural Engineering.

People don't design farms? Build irrigation systems? Make Harvesters and other farming equipment?

 

[AltF4]

Ummm... no. That's not what Engineering means, OP. Engineering is just applied science.

 

[Eor]

Do any of your posts ever have substance, Killer SOS?

Social science doesn't deal with quantifiable parameters. Therefore its data collection is inadequate for forming theories in the proper sense of the word. Therefore it isn't science. What's wrong with calling it political studies, or something to that effect?

Science means more then "physical science", the word in this sense simply means a branch of knowledge, which was the original definition. I could just as well say "physical science isn't science because it doesn't do (thing random thing that social sciences do), why not just call it "physical studies"". Social Sciences have been called that for hundred of years.

 

[Aesir]

Do any of your posts ever have substance, Killer SOS?

Social science doesn't deal with quantifiable parameters. Therefore its data collection is inadequate for forming theories in the proper sense of the word. Therefore it isn't science. What's wrong with calling it political studies, or something to that effect?

There's more to science then.

1+1= 2...

Seriously you're in college? did the standards drop or something? I am very unimpressed with my country right now.

 

[Livvers]

Science is a broad term. People don't seem to understand this.

 

[1048576]

1 + 1 = 2 is not Science. That's some kind of mathematical axiom. It is assumed to be true by the way we've defined addition and those numbers. There's no research or data collection involved.

Here's the first definition of Engineering I found: The application of scientific and mathematical principles to practical ends such as the design, manufacture, and operation of efficient and economical structures, machines, processes, and systems.

Seems Alt was right. Anyway, Mic, you don't build an irrigation system in a colllege class.

If you really want to make the word science mean anything you want, why not just get rid of it altogether as a word. If a word means everything, then it means nothing.

Also, Aesir, **** you. Read the need math help thread. I'm assuming you've never reached anywhere near my level of aptitude, and you never will.

 

[Eor]

Says the guy who has no understanding of the meaning of the word science.

You are just defining Natural Science, which in modern day is generally called science. Evidence beats you once again

 

[Aesir]

1 + 1 = 2 is not Science. That's some kind of mathematical axiom. It is assumed to be true by the way we've defined addition and those numbers. There's no research or data collection involved.

1+1=2 I'm not speaking of a mathematical problem. That's generally how Hard Science is. Maybe I was being to figurative for you to understand.

While in mathematics there's no data collected or any of that, mathematics is used in many hard sciences especially astronomy, ESPECIALLY

If you really want to make the word science mean anything you want, why not just get rid of it altogether as a word. If a word means everything, then it means nothing.

That's the thing though we're not making science mean everything.

Social science: A body of related courses concerned with knowledge of the social life of human groups and individuals, including economics, geography, history, political science, psychology, social studies, and sociology.

taken form here http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/glossary/s.asp

Also, Aesir, **** you. Read the need math help thread. I'm assuming you've never reached anywhere near my level of aptitude, and you never will.

I don't need help in math I'm very proficient in math.


I will say you're very good at just looking at things one way and not very good at looking at the other side.

I suggest getting a job at FoxNews.

 

[AltF4]

Now, now. No need for so much flame.


The word 'science' as used by universities in the context that the OP is talking about isn't exactly the same as one you'll find in a dictionary. Universities separate all majors into one of either an Art or a Science. (IE: You can either get a BA degree or a BS degree)

The difference isn't quite so well defined, but you usually know if when you see it. Consequently, you end up with degrees and classes which are a "science" but don't necessarily follow the scientific method like you would as a Chemist. But they're clearly more of a Science than an Art. It's really just an unfortunate confusing use of terminology.

 

[GoldShadow]

There's nothing more I can add that others haven't said. I agree with everyone else.

 

[1048576]

Okay, I can see now that those words aren't defined as how I thought they were. I'm wrong, you're right.

However, Aesir: you're comments are bugging me. First off, all news is biased. Secondly, I'm a social liberal and economic moderate. Third, if you are suggesting an intrinsic need to doublethink, to hold two mutually exclusive value premises simiultaneously, then we have a problem. Fourth, math is the opposite of science. Math can actually prove things. Science can only provide substantial evidence supporting those things.

 

[notftomearth7]

Software engineering sounds better by far.


Anyway, engineering can also be taken as manipulating something as well.

As far as no one respecting language. I completely agree. As anyone here listened to any rap videos lately?

 

[Aesir]

Okay, I can see now that those words aren't defined as how I thought they were. I'm wrong, you're right.

However, Aesir: you're comments are bugging me. First off, all news is biased. Secondly, I'm a social liberal and economic moderate. Third, if you are suggesting an intrinsic need to doublethink, to hold two mutually exclusive value premises simiultaneously, then we have a problem. Fourth, math is the opposite of science. Math can actually prove things. Science can only provide substantial evidence supporting those things.

all you're doing right now is proving my point lol.

Hard sciences use mathematics, that was my point. I said Science is more then 1+1=2 a crude example but most hard sciences use mathematics in their calculations.

I also wasn't suggesting double think, also I could give a **** what your political ideology is congratulations you're a run of the mill liberal democrat lol.

 

[1048576]

Well, you told me to work on Fox News; I was saying why that analogy wasn't particularly apt.

I'd consider myself in between Democrat and Libertarian.

You implied that I should see more than one side of things at a time. That's doublethink, I think.

Glad we agree. Science uses mathematics. Science is not mathematics.

 

[Omis]

He was implying that you dont think anything through. It had no say on your political preference.

 

[Aesir]

Well, you told me to work on Fox News; I was saying why that analogy wasn't particularly apt.

I'd consider myself in between Democrat and Libertarian.

You implied that I should see more than one side of things at a time. That's doublethink, I think.

Glad we agree. Science uses mathematics. Science is not mathematics.

That's called being objective.... >_>


Wow you're going on how people don't use words in their correct context and here you are using a word incorrectly LOL.

Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting as correct two mutually contradictory beliefs. It is related to, but distinct from, hypocrisy and neutrality.

Doublethink is an integral concept of George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.

 

[1048576]

Okay, you don't form an opinion until you've considered all the relevant facts. Once you form the opinion, you shouldn't believe the other side, too. Abortion isn't bad and good for society. Get it?

 

[Aesir]

Okay, you don't form an opinion until you've considered all the relevant facts. Once you form the opinion, you shouldn't believe the other side, too. Abortion isn't bad and good for society. Get it?

There's a difference between believing the other side and keeping an open mind to the other side.

I think Intelligent Design is a crock of lies, but when someone provides new arguments and evidence for the hypothesis I don't write it off because it's intelligent design I look at it and then write if off if the facts don't match up or the argument is poorly constructed.

You can have opinions and still be objective.

 

[pockyD]

how many things are strictly good or bad for society?

 

[JLynn943]

how many things are strictly good or bad for society?

probably none

even things that seem inherently good and come from good intentions (such as charity) have negative effects, too.

 

[Mr.Bazerkus]

We can't think of things in terms of Black and White

The world is too complex for that everything has a good and a bad side to it. Even the things that most people consider to be bad like abortion still have some good things too them. That one has to question whether those benefits outweigh the positives.

And even if you don't "believe" the other side of a opinion you have you should still consider their arguments. For me I have a lot of options that I looked into once I've heard a argument from the other side.

 

[Livvers]

There's nothing more I can add that others haven't said. I agree with everyone else.

Way to add to this meaningful discussion, Goldshadow. GAWD!

 

[Flamingo777]

There's nothing more I can add that others haven't said. I agree with everyone else.

I also agree xD

 

[GoldShadow]

Way to add to this meaningful discussion, Goldshadow. GAWD!

JEEZ LOUISE Livvers, way to call me out on it by making a meaningless post in this meaningful thread.

 

[1048576]

You know what I mean. Don't split hairs. Abortion isn't better and worse for society than the alternative. Ultimately the benefits and costs of one side outweigh the other.

 

[Azua]

I don't understand how we managed to get to the subject of abortion from this, but uh...yeah.

Also, can we not be so ****ed hostile?
It's like SWF is on its period or something....