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RaynEX

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Don't d.i. the chaingrab You can shine out of the cg at 20% and higher. The more you d.i. past 20, the longer he'll be able to get the CG. It'll last till a bit past 50%. It he utilts, d.i. behind him so it knocks you far away from him. Survival d.i./towards d.i. the forward smash. Thats pretty much all you can do about it.

Try d.i.ing onto platforms to end his CGs. It makes it a bit harder for Marth to follow up this way.
 

Charlesz

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Alright thanks Raynex. So at like 20% or higher, he chaingrabs me, I can auto shine out of that? Is there some sort of timing?
 

RaynEX

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The percent could be a bit higher, maybe 22%, but it works exactly how it sounds. Don't d.i. the grab, and time the shine for right when he tries to re-grab you.

If the Marth knows how to correctly pivot grab, he can avoid the shine and grab you anyways. Trying to shine out at the correct percents is useful and helps you weed out the knowledged Marths from the ones that just spam grab and hope it works.

If you find yourself getting perfect CGed by a pivot grabbing, combo heavy Marth - focus less on d.i.ing the throw and more on d.i.ing the hits once you get past the general CG percentages. At about 30% and higher with neutral d.i., you should be able to jump out. This is why Marths start the utilt regrabs at this percent. Try to d.i. the utilt down and away (so it would be in the direction the sword is swinging and not the way Marth is facing), and maybe you can escape without taking too much damage. If you survival d.i. it you go straight up...and thats never good.

Remember that on FD you can't do much to avoid CGs altogether, so getting grabbed more than 3 times is going to cost you the game vs. a good Marth.
 

RaynEX

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I've shined out at 20 way too many times as Fox. Try it out for yourself vs. someone and report back? It could honestly just be failure on my opponent's side but its happened so much I can't be sure.
 

FoxLisk

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One time you got a dash attack and you had a perfect opportunity for an upsmash, but you jabbed and tried to grab him, and instead you missed and he got out. Point being, don't miss easy usmash opportunities. Sometimes I think your approach got a little predictable -- one time you FH naired twice in a row and got grabbed for it; you have to be super careful against marth to avoid things like that.

overall though pretty good play, except for the choking at the end.
 

Summonedfist

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I thought fox could shine out of Marth's CG at 19%. Didn't m2k say 19%?

edit: If you watch some old Ken Marth vs. M2k Fox from like MLG '06 NY vids, M2k gets out at 20%, and Ken rarely messed up CG in his days. I'm pretty sure you can find 19% shines too.
 

Charlesz

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Another question if you could shine out of cg at 19%, then why do I see Pros like Pc chris get 0-death'd on fd by m2k all the time.
 
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