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Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

Omni

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yaaaay @ protecting me :)

but i can't be recruited (cuz of Eternal) so there's no point, but thanks anyway!

@Rajam: since lavos is gone i highly doubt there can be anymore recruits. at least i hope thats how it works
 

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DMG (4)- omni, .joel, rajam, rajam

future (4)- Omni, shadowlink, .joel, rajam, rajam

DMG (Lucca, Town Time-Keeper) has been lynched!



Moments after Lucca finished fixing up Robo after yesterday's lynch, Robo turns around and robo tackles her. What a friend!

In other news, Chrono kicked her corpse.

Send Night actions to me ASAP!

Night 6 begins!
A deadline has been set for Friday, June 25th, by 3:00 p.m. EST.
 

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Sorry OS, just have to say this one thing:





















JESUS CHRIST you people have some trust issues.
 

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Day 7 Begins!
With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

A Deadline has been set for Monday, July 5th, 2010.
 

Rajam

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At this point I'm starting to get a little afraid of some bad scenarios that may happen, so I'll trust only in ShadowLink, the confirmed Town

Before continuing, I'll ask this, and only Pierce and .joel must answer:

What does it say in your victory condition? Please tell us word by word

Note: The first to answer may gain some credibility points lol
 

Omni

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Don't be silly, Rajam. Spawn are ex-townies so of course they know their own victory condition.

DMG obviously wasn't keeping up with the game. There were no "trust issues". It's just impossible for spawn to evade this lynch process.

Today we lynch Pierce or .joel. I prefer Pierce over .joel, but again, the lynch order doesn't matter at all. Spawn is limited to one or the either.
 

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Don't be silly, Rajam. Spawn are ex-townies so of course they know their own victory condition.
I'm looking forward to other goal with the question, which I'll explain later. I'm aware ex-town spawns know the town victory condition.

The question still is there, for .joel and Pierce to answer :shyguy:
 

Omni

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I'm looking forward to other goal with the question, which I'll explain later. I'm aware ex-town spawns know the town victory condition.

The question still is there, for .joel and Pierce to answer :shyguy:
I see. :shyguy:
 

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I am going to very, very slightly change the first person, as to not be copy/pasting from my role PM, which is against the rules.

I am town aligned and win when the town has an undeniable majority over everyone else or nothing can prevent this.

Also, I really don't like the way you guys voted off DMG BEFORE I COULD POST AT ALL yesterDay. Obviously I want .joel gone, because I know am town. I have always been town. It is impossible for me not to be town. My ability prevents me from becoming Spawn. .joel's ability does not. I think the only reason Omni prefers me is because I'm untrusting of scum. Of the alive players, two were revived after Lavos was killed and confirmed town. Two are indys that claim to be immune to being converted. I have a proven power that Lavos claimed himself that his power doesn't work on me. If my ability were to fade out because I was scum, then Adumbrodeus would have successfully been able vote-block me when he targetted me, but he also claimed that his ability bounced off of me, and he was a pro-town Indy with no need to lie.

Additionally, if we're assuming the game started with one Spawn, and there was a Spawn on Night 2 created, then there's STILL another spawn in the game EVEN IF I WERE TO BE SPAWN, since we've been operating under the assumption that Shaya did not get a spawn N1.

I mean, I guess it doesn't matter really who you lynch first, but I'd like to be here for endgame just for the cool points, and to my it's obvious as hell that .joel is scum, and if he magically doesn't flip scum, then I want to raise **** at the Indy's because I'm town, and I can't do that if I'm dead. The last thing I'd want is for the Indy's to be camping on a one-shot kill ability after you decide to lynch me and .joel, and take out Rajam, making town lose. I don't think this is going to happen, but I have to at least imagine the only possible way we can lose right now, just so that it can't happen.

I lead the Lynch on Shaya, I came up with the strategy to camp future that would obviously be ****ing me over if I was spawn right now, and all I'm doing is trying to play it safe against the Independants JUST IN CASE. If .joel flips town MAGICALLY (I really feel this is impossible, unless the Indy's are lying to us) then I'd like you to lynch one Indy, then lynch me, then lynch the other Indy, and town will win no matter what. Even if I have a one shot kill ability hidden up my sleeve, it would still be impossible for me to win with this strategy (I don't. Merely pointing out the possibilities).

I strongly feel that we are going to lynch .joel right now and win the game. I wish we had done it yesterDay, but it's not that serious. I'm sorry DMG, I trusted you after you revived Rajam, and would've preferred greatly to take you to endgame over .joel, who really doesn't have any creds to back up, and has an unprovable claim.

Vote: .joel
Travel: Future
 

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lol @ one **** ability. nah we don't have it but it's a bit scary that you mentioned it. with you, rajam, and shadowlink being alive (with both scamp and i gone) a one-shot kill could win you the game.

lynching me or scamp kills both of us so obv i do not like your idea of wanting to get rid of one of us before the game is over. the reason why we both died Day 1 was because whatever happens to one of us happens to the other. so that means we're actually like one entity that can double vote. obviously, the good side is that we're masons and the bade side is that we die if either of us get lynched/nk'ed.

in terms of who i think was recruited i'm looking at you, Pierce, over .joel simply because .joel was a huge push target for his accidental vote and was literally willing to kill himself to prove otherwise on several occasions. either he set up an amazing gambit, or he just seems like a regular obvious town.

the strategy to camp future was pretty obvious, too, after i said we lynch and revive rajam during the process of elimination voting. i also don't feel like you "led" the lynch on Shaya because before his AtE i was on him hard and heavy.

anyway, dont get me wrong. i have liked your play, pierce. it just leads me to believe you're much more of a spawn pick than .joel. it's also going to make sense that whichever spawn is leftover tomorrow (if we miss again) will be screaming bloody mary town and attempting to move the lynch over to us indies. if i were spawn, i'd do the same thing, too. but yea dude, if i were lavos i would have recruited you along time ago. im not sure how much i can trust your ability to avoid night actions. thats like... permanent doc in this game and that's huge.

Vote: Pierce

no hard feelings bro
 

Omni

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reminder: when you answer rajam's question @ .joel do not directly quote your win condition. alter it like pierce did to prevent a modkill

...

wait a minute, lol, so you were trying to get one of them modkilled @ rajam?
 

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Well, my ability could've backfired. If a cop or doc hit me, or any town based ability, then it would just be wasting time AND make me look like Lavos. Still, it protected me from Lavos, and I feel I made good use of it, played a good game, and expect to win.

Also, there's obviously no hard feelings. Like, I'd enjoy making it to end game just to have it on the record, but I kinda understand where you're coming from. Only slightly peeved just being the only player in the game that knows 100% that .joel is scum, since I know 100% that I'm not scum. There's no hard feelings in me wanting to lynch an Indy, I'm just trying to play it safe.

I could not win with a one-shot kill ability, because I recommended lynching myself BEFORE lynching the second Independent. I also recommended lynching .joel, me, DMG in that order, but for some reason, you all chose the reverse order. Now, considering we had a win locked down, I'm not TOO upset, but I'm kinda pissed, because .joel is the scum as I suspected, I have immunity to conversion, and DMG kinda proved himself by reviving Rajam.

Also, I RESURRECTED SHADOWLINK. If I was spawn, I most certainly would not have done that. I believe Shadowlink confirmed that.

.joel was also the first one to suggest that I was inactive when I was only away from the game for a very brief period of time (not talking about that ACTUAL burst of inactivity after MLG)

As for the lynch on Shaya, I'd like to remind you that your FIRST CHOICE was Edrees, Omni. It's not a big deal either way, and Ed was still scum, but it would be wrong to deny that I definitely had the first vote on that wagon, and tipped the scales on Shaya that day.

Also, consider the fact that if I'm spawn, that means I've been spawn since Day 2, since it's confirmed that Shaya hit me Night 1. How unlikely is that, considering my play. Also, there would still be another spawn in the game, assuming there was one when we started (your exit condition failed and Chrono flipped town) and there would still be another recruit from N2 (the after we lynched Chibo). Since that's TWO spawns, NOT COUNTING Shaya hitting me N1, then .joel would still have to be scum ANYWAYS, since we found Edrees.

Whatever the play is, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Rajam and ShadowLink, whether you lynch me or .joel first, if it's not game over, lynch an Independent tomorrow. 2 vs. 2 is never good for town EVEN if we have a double voter. 2 vs 1 vs 1 is WAY better for us. My worst nightmare would be that we lynch .joel, he magically flips town, then you lynch me instead of the Indys thinking I'm the last option, and the Indys somehow pull out a win and stop town from winning. I'm going to flip town, but even though I'm 99% positive .joel is scum, I still would rather lynch an Indy, JUST TO MAKE SURE.

Of course, if we lynch .joel today, and win, then obviously the Indys can also win with us if they are true to their word, and they win by exiting with no more scum.
 

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idk if u read it all the way but lynching one of us kills us both, pierce.

this is what rajam/shadowlink have to choose from:

1.) shadowlink, rajam, pierce @ endgame
2.) shadowlink, rajam, me and scamp @ endgame (except the game is over at this point)
3.) shadowlink, rajam, .joel @ endgame

regardless of what happens we have already flipped indy masons. we are guaranteed non-spawn. between you and .joel (because we're still in the game) one of you guys are the last remaining spawn. it would NOT make sense to go into lylo with a potential spawn at that point. if spawn has ANY tricks up their sleeves than that would be the best time for them to use it which is when they get rid of us.

edrees and shaya wanted to get rid of me and scamp for a reason. we are dangerous to them. perhaps we limit them in some kind of way. regardless, our existence always posed as a threat to them. from a town perspective, i would much rather go into a Day with 2 confirmed townies (one a double voter) and 2 indy masons rather than 1 confirmed spawn. its seriously not even a question at that point.

i'll say this again: the last remaining spawn will OBVIOUSLY want to lynch us "just to make sure" if they're the last one standing. the whole being safe argument is the ONLY tactic spawn could take to stay alive another day to do whatever it is they can do. at this point, it's simply a matter of who rajam/shadowlink feel more comfortable with: lynching obvious spawn or being "safe" and lynching the indies first.

i know for a fact that one of you are the last remaining spawn. this is not a question. so i am not liking this plan of trying to get rid of the indys first idea at all.
 

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In the meanwhile:

Indies don't have a NKill ability, which was one of my biggest fears. When they died Day 1, it said "Omni and Scamp, independent twin masons, died" So, they are not Serial Killers (otherwise it would've been told in their titles). Idk about their win condition; maybe they win if they survive until the end of the game; in any case, they should get lynched last according to my point of view.

I think at this point is obvious the spawn can kill. There is no reason to do not end this game now if he can't. How would the spawn win without being able to NKill? Even if he makes it to one vs one, he is doomed because I won't get lynched, and my vote counts by two.

If the spawn can kill, why haven't he killed? Either our doctor is too good, or the doctor himself is the spawn. It bothers me that our doc is still alive; shouldn't he be the prime target for that? I think the spawn is trying to mind-game us by forcing us to believe he can't kill, and at the same time the spawn must be praying so we lynch a townie and then the indies, and then kill me; that way, the spawn would be against ShadowLink and the spawn wins.

Some facts: Pierce ability was confirmed by adumbrodeus, not Shaya. Pierce reviving ShadowLink has been the towniest (?) action ever, because no one knew how to revive Chrono exactly. If Pierce is indeed scum, he would've waited to travel to different times (including EoT) before reviving Chrono and mindgame us, waiting maybe for a Lavos revival (!)

Because of all these reasons, I'm picking joel, who has an unconfirmed ability, and is weird for a doctor to survive so many days if someone is around able to NKill.

.joel, what does it say in your victory condition?
 

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Also, fact: There is only 1 spawn left at most. With two spawns, they would've NKilled me last night, then indies+SL lynch one spawn; next night, the remaining spawn NKills one indy (and therefore kills both indies), and is finally spawn vs. SL = spawns win.

1 spawn at worse, or either indies have an anti-town victory condition. As I said, indies shouldn't be able to NKill so if we arrive to indies vs. SL and me, we win by camping Future.

Given that, I propose the next lynch order:

.joel
Pierce
indies
 

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i was gone for the day, i couldn't respond.

@rajam:
my win condition is that i am aligned to town, and that town has to have a majority over every other faction and that nothing can prevent that to happen.

i'm not directly quoting, i'm not a moron to get mod-killed, sorry, sir.

@pierce:
how do we know your night ability prevents you from being spawn? we don't know.

honestly, lynch me if you must, i really wanted to leave the game anyway, it just would've been awesome to at least survive when i already was playing along. <.<
 

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Votecount:

.joel (2)- Pierce, .joel, Rajam, Rajam
Pierce (1)- Omni,

future (3)- rajam, rajam, pierce

.Joel, (Marle, Town Doctor) has been lynched.

Can town win this?



Night 7 begins!
A deadline has been set for Monday, June 28th, at 3:00 p.m. EST.

Send in Night Actions early to end the Night.
 

Rajam

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Pretty much, this was only by following the discard proccess. Nothing personal lol. If you aren't spawn, Pierce is next

GG
 

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Day 8 begins!
A deadline has been set for Monday, July 5th, at 3 p.m.
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Time period is The Future
 

Omni

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so it ended up being Pierce just like i thought

i wonder what tricks he has up his sleeves

shadowlink and rajam: please get here fast, lol
 

Rajam

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Travel: Future 2,300 AD

Pierce, any solid reason why we shouldn't lynch you now, by following the plan?

real claim: Pierce (lol)

Also, I suggest using the ultimate command: win: alliance... pretty obvious
Oh, and my vote count by two

win: Town
 

Omni

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oh god, don't tell me you're gonna deviate from the plan last second rajam -_-
 

Rajam

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mmm you're right

Basically, the fact that I survived last Night is enough to confirm Pierce is the scum. If you indies had been spawns, you would had killed me with the doctor gone, leaving it two spawns vs two townies with no double vote = spawns win. So, either you're unnecessarily prolonging the game just to annoy and for fun, which is extreme flavor, or Pierce is scum.

so, let's follow the plan anyways... idk what can be said at this point of the game to break this trend
 

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crashboards is crashing kajfklaj are u there rajam? please dont deviate from the plan and vote him

if anything just put him at L-1 and we can hear his last words while feeling safe
 
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