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Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

Red Arremer

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just like u suspected me of doing stuff to cover up, he maybe did too.

however, we need dmg to revive u, so it's either u or pierce, unless u guys want to lynch me, which i would accept soundly (i just wish i would win a game as town and still be alive lol).

though pierce is very inactive and it's most likely better to keep u and me around out of the current possibilities cause we are the most active players next to omni currently.
 

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Check post 1298 please: "A town member used it to revive him"

Also, post 1294: Was adum a vote-blocker or not? -_- I still can't get it lol
 

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Check post 1298 please: "A town member used it to revive him"
i wouldn't count that as pierce being declared as town. when i mod games, i use "town" as general statement to in order to refer to the players in an in-character way of speaking.

pierce isn't confirmed townie until it there's a message saying
pierce (townie).
 

Rajam

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Even if that's true (I would use the word "someone" instead of "a town member"), isn't reviving Chrono a very townie play?
 

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assuming that there's no more than 2 spawns left is probably the safest bet

i'll be back later. gotta take care of a few things
 

Rajam

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lol I would lynch DMG if we go by inactivity, or maybe even Scamp...
But I prefer you guys lynch me first if we want to see DMG's Alliance
 

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Okie Dokey Raj

We're gonna play Doctor now

Vote: Rajam
 

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Mmm I still don't know about Pierce... didn't he revived Chono? wasn't he strongly against Shaya the Day we lynched him?
Pierce did indeed revive me.
Inf act, the revival was optional for whomever held the doll.
So he is very possibly town.

I still like the idea of lynching of Rajam first since he can be revived by DMG.
I think it was DMG
 

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Okay, wait a minute

I haven't been active because it's been NIGHT. Before that, I said what I had to say. I was waiting for Edrees to come into activity, and then it hopped from that into, lynch Ed (which I had already been cool with).

Instead of waiting, you all lynched him right away. I wasn't mad, because he flipped spawn.

I've already proven to be immune to targeting because SHAYA HIMSELF SAID HIS ABILITY BOUNCED OFF ME. THIS WAS CONFIRMED WHEN ADUMBRODEUS ALSO SAID HIS ABILITY BOUNCED OFF ME.

I revived Chrono, I LEAD THE LYNCH ON SHAYA, WHEN OMNI WAS PUSHING FOR EDREES. In fact, I don't know how I could've been more town. The day started TODAY, and I'm posting now.

The one important piece of information no one seemed to mention, is that when Ed flipped Spawn, it didn't state his original power. This makes it unlikely that a spawn can use their power.

Now, the reason I mention this is because DMG has used his power before. This means he didn't start spawn. Using the logic that the independents would have won. We have no way of proving .joel's claim AT ALL. Rajam used his power, so he didn't start spawn. Shaya would not have targeted me day one if I started spawn (Chibo was good for something at least :p)

Even though Edrees flipped scum, he did say something I have been thinking about for a while now. We don't know what the Indy win condition is, outside of what Omni claimed it to be. When they died, it said they were Indy Twin Masons, so we know that they have numbers and can communicate. However, they are NOT town, and that makes them dangerous, ESPECIALLY a player as smart as Omni, with a partner as undercover as Scamp.

Town, check your win condition in your role PM. It says an undeniable majority over everyone else. This includes every other faction. Now, I honestly don't think the Independents are not pro-town. After all, I look at Adum, and I see a clear, pro-town Indy. However, that doesn't mean I don't cover my options. We didn't come this far just to get stabbed in the back, because we didn't even consider the POSSIBILITY of Indy's not being town.


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Now, I actually have a plan. How does this sound to you all?

We KNOW that Mafia cannot recruit anymore spawn.
We KNOW Shadowlink is town

We've done the math. It's likely that there was 1 spawn on start. Tracing things, we can see Shaya failed to hit me day one, probably hit Ed day 2, because he was all buddy-buddy with me, got killed day three. Day 4 we lynched Ed. We're on day 5 now.

It's possible Ed was spawn from start as well, and that Shaya picked up somebody else day 2. In any case, I think we'd be pretty accurate to say that there's only 1 spawn left in the game. It adds up pretty legit.

Now, my plan is, lynch Rajam. We revive him, that's 2 confirmed TOWNIES. Confirmed Indy's are good. Confirmed townies are 9000+ times better. If he's not revived, then we lynch DMG easy. If he is, DMG can breathe easy for a bit. Just a bit. If DMG is town, bingo, two confirmed townies. If he's not, then bingo, we win.

After that, we lynch Omni OR Scamp. With two confirmed townies, there's no reason to drag around 2 Independents to have majority over scum. Two confirmed townies plus one confirmed Indy is more than enough, because no matter what, there's definitely not THREE scum. Chrono also has an anti-kill power, and if we camp future, Rajam can double vote, so we'll STILL have majority. With only one Independent, there's no way for them to ever have majority over town.

From there, we can just start lynching away the rest of the suspects. Honestly, I don't care if you lynch me or .joel first. However, I know I'm not scum, and I have a lot more evidence suggesting I'm not scum. I'm also suspicious of .joel's pressure on me, despite my outstanding reputation and effort in this game, including leading the lynch on the RECRUITER. Since I know I'm town, it's actually impossible for .joel to flip town if Rajam and DMG flip town, but in the MIRACLE this happens, you can then lynch me, and it will prove I'm not scum. Then, lynch DMG, just in case. From there, it will be one independant, and two confirmed townies, and so you lynch the Independant. Honestly, I'd actually to prefer to lynch DMG first just to be completely safe, but I know that suggesting myself as the very last lynch is silly, and it shouldn't matter if you keep camping future.

I suspect that before that outstanding process of elimination reaches lynching the last Indy, we'll obtain victory by squashing the spawn, who I think is .joel or DMG, but I prefer this safe play instead. Does anyone have any questions or objections to my plan?
 

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Pierce, you seem to be rewashing the plan I already said without considering what has been said all day. Stop barging in like you have everything under control. Also, I was on the Shaya wagon way before you joined but started to move to Edreeses only because of Shaya's AtE. Either way my ish was spot on.

How about before we look at your plan you go about and reread mine? To restate:

Me
Scamp
ShadowLink

are the confirmed non-spawn.

Pierce
DMG
Rajam
.joel

are the potentials. So the procedure goes.

1.) Lynch Rajam. If he flips spawn, we win. If he flips town, DMG will revive him.

at this point we now have.

Me
Scamp
ShadowLink
Rajam

as confirmed non-spawn (if Rajam flips town and is then revived). This is going under the pretext that Rajam is not spawn.

2.) Lynch .joel or Pierce. Doesn't really matter since at this point it's process of elimination.
3.) Lynch .joel or Pierce (whoever is still alive).
4.) Lynch DMG.

There is absolutely no way around this. With two players as guaranteed confirmed town and 2 guaranteed non-spawn, spawn WILL be outed one way or the other. It's literally impossible to lose this game strictly through process of elimination.

If there is a hole in this, find it and correct it, but at the moment I don't see any.
 

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Oh, and as you said, we camp Future so that if for whatever reason you don't trust me and Scamp at this point it would still be impossible for us to win with a probable Rajam doublevoting and a confirmed Chrono.

But that's not going to happen because I know there's still at least one spawn left.
 

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I considered everything. I merely proposed my plan (and I'm not trying to hide that it has many similar elements to your plan), and requested feedback. How you gonna say I'm inactive, but then say "stop barging in here" LOL.

I'm just doing what I've ALWAYS BEEN DOING. It just so happens that I'm town and not Indy, and so therefore I don't trust you 100%. Only like 95%, lol.

Now, I cosign your plan pretty hard, though I'm really cozy with lynching you or Scamp first to play it safe. If Rajam flips town and gets revived, then you're kinda right that you and Scamp can't do much if we're camping Future for Rajam's double vote. However, my plan continues on to say what we do in almost any possible situation. Considering I might get lynched (in which case I will flip town and people will know I'm not just trying to trick them), then I'm glad I'm saying this all now, before it's too late. I'm going to get out everything on my mind, especially if you are considering me for a lynch toDay/toMorrow.

Still, I like my variation better anyway, because it accounts for any crazy 1 shot kill powers you might have, or other such traps. I don't know the extent of your powers at all. The fact is, you died and came back, and that makes you the scariest person in the game with Lavos dead. I'm just covering my bases, to ensure a town victory.
 

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I totally agree with the plan

Camping Future seems fun XD

Let's travel there, and lynch me. At this point, I only want to confirm I'm town and **** Mafia lol
 

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That crossed my mind, that maybe we should get Indy's before the last Spawn as a safeguard.

Hmm...

I dunno whether Raj is spawn or not. On the one hand, it would normally be odd for Mafia to outright say "Kill me" and vote for himself. On the other hand, once revived he turns back into Town and Town has more numbers so he's taking advantage of "If you can't beat 'em, Join 'em". Either way, it would confirm him as town and confirm for the rest of you that I am town so I support lynching him.
 

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Actually no, it doesn't confirm you at all DMG.
It only confirms Rajam.
For all we know, you kill of Joel at night and revive Rajam to look good.

Btw, is there any other time Pierx=ce was target for a night action and it failed?
I believe Adumbrodeus failed to target Pierce as well

Confirm this fact BEFORE we lynch Rajam.

If we cannot, things may have to be changed to account for it.
 

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Both Adum and Shaya failed against me with night actions. I believe .joel has the only remaining targeting might ability. You could have him target me, but his word isn't really enough to go by atm.
 

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I am Robo, double-voter in Future, and I've always been town. I can be revived once, I guess by DMG

I have never had any Night action in the game
DMG, revive me asap next Day
Don't lynch DMG very soon, remember he is a little inactive lol
I have no idea if DMG is town

see ya in Future :O
 

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Final votecount:

Rajam (4)- joel, rajam, dmg, pierce7d

future (3)- rajam, .joel, pierce7D



Rajam, (Robo, Town Time-Double Voter) has been lynched!


Night 5 begins!

Send me your actions by Thursday the 24th, 3:00 p.m. EST.

To make the Nights shorter, please send a PM or IM to me saying "I'm not using my action" if you aren't using it.
 

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Rajam, (Robo, Town Time-Double Voter) has been revived!

Time period is 2300 AD, The Future.

DAY 6 BEGINS!

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Friday, July 2nd at 3:00 p.m. EST
 

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I disagree with it.
I think it would be safer to instead lynch DMG or Pierce before joel.

Since remember, though there may be only 1 spawn, town still retained their original numbers.

Only now, we have 4 town to 3 non townies. For now, I say we stick with the original idea, primarily because joel may very well be our doctor, so it would be best to lynch him later.

It is why I suggested DMG. pierce may be immune to night actions after all, and considering Adumbrodeus also failed with night actions, it is best to leave pierce/joel last.
While I am wary of Omni/Scamp, finding the spawn is more important.

I also find it odd that there haven't been any night kills or any mentions of an attempt.

Considering DMG's lack of participation and activity, it wouldn't surprise me if he just didn't report in time a night action.
 

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Well allegedly, DMG just revived me
Pierce revived you one Night earlier

That's why joel is first for me (unconfirmed ability), and then indies if joel turns out as town

Maybe at this point, it would be wise to ask joel for all his protection choices the different nights ¿?
 

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Well, I'm assuming DMG had to report in order to revive Rajam.

Anyway, my lynch order:

DMG
Pierce
.joel

Rajam, SL, Scamp, and I = not spawn. Also, camping future gives Rajam a doublevote making any last minute funny business void.
 

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Why doesn't the spawn just surrender -_-
Yeah, I mean it's impossible for them to win. Lol.

Like there's absolutely nothing for them to do with the process of elimination. Even if somehow there was 2 spawn left having you and ShadowLink alive means you guys have 3 votes over their 2.
 

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I'd give the indies the chance to lynch whoever they pick. If the lynched is not spawn, I'd lynch the indies next Day
 

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I'd give the indies the chance to lynch whoever they pick. If the lynched is not spawn, I'd lynch the indies next Day
I still don't understand what you're worried about.

I kinda' do want to win this game. I've worked hard to scumhunt and keep us in the right direction. Nailed Shaya/Edreeses in a nice one-two combo. Our existence prevents Lavos from getting a majority over town too fast via recruit, and our existence proves that their is at least one spawn still left in the game. With Lavos gone, we win when you guys win so there's like... 0 reason for us to still have this conflict.

And now I helped shape up the process of elimination plan that pretty much guarantees spawn being outed and town being in the best advantageous position.

Just chillax and let's finish this game by taking out spawn. I seriously doubt spawn has any more tricks up their sleeves but I would be more cautious of leftover spawn than me and Scamp at this point. Especially since Shaya/Edreeses wanted to do away with us ASAP.
 

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I honestly don't care about the order. At this point, it's one of those 3.

@Rajam: Scamp isn't around a lot. When he gets on I'll tell him.

Travel: Future 2300 A.D.
 

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Well allegedly, DMG just revived me
Pierce revived you one Night earlier

That's why joel is first for me (unconfirmed ability), and then indies if joel turns out as town

Maybe at this point, it would be wise to ask joel for all his protection choices the different nights ¿?
Correct. and now since it is confirmed Pierce has night immunity. He is least likely to be spawn.
This leaves joel and DMG.
While DMG did indeed revive you, it doesn't clear him either.
Perhaps he couldnt kill anyone because of that revival.
The only reason I would pick DMG over joel is because of Joel possibly being town doc, while DMG can't use any of his abilities.
Time blocking is useless while we camp 2300 A.D. and he already revived you.


I am satisfied with either being lynched.

Travel: Future 2300 A.D
 

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Alright, DMG works. I still prefer Pierce over .joel tomorrow just because Pierce's pro-town stance makes him a huge candidate for being recruited and I kinda' just like .joel's play overall.

I trust Pierce the most so in a way I'm the most cautious over him.

Vote: DMG
 

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ok, just to make it super-hyper safe, I can agree DMG being lynched first is better. His abilities at this point are useless (I can only be revived once) and potentially dangerous (We will camp Future).

Sorry DMG, I think you're town, but this play is safer:

vote: DMG

Travel: Future 2,300 AD
 
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