Character Discussion Thread

[Jason the Yoshi]

Sakurai never said what you are implying he did. All he said was Namco is not getting any special treatment. The same applies to every other third-party developer. He did not mean Namco was considered less important than other third-parties, but in fact that everyone was on an even playing field.



If Mario Kart is what constitutes as a "real" crossover game then neither Sonic or Pac-Man have appeared in one to this day.

And the fact they were "not mainstream" does not disqualify the Arcade GP games as legitimate crossovers. That's not even a valid argument.

I never said that the Arcade GP games were disqualified as legit crossovers, just saying that they are not mainstream crossovers like Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games is! Sonic and SEGA alike are far more mainstream with Nintendo than Namco. I'm going by facts here, dude, and PacMan isn't as Nintendo worthy as Sonic.

 

[NickerBocker]

I'm guessing you never tackled 7 then. It's not the only one, but it's ending is fairly meaningful because of Mega Man himself.

Apparently that wasn't canon...

Ya, the only real significant moment where Megaman shows some sort of character was in X4(?) where he claims he's more than just a robot. THAT was significant, but were not talking X, were talking Megaman, the original ones.

This is getting pretty off topic from Pacman, because if youre arguing that personality is necessary to include a character, then I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Deleted member]

I never said that the Arcade GP games were disqualified as legit crossovers, just saying that they are not mainstream crossovers like Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games is! Sonic and SEGA alike are far more mainstream with Nintendo than Namco. I'm going by facts here, dude, and PacMan isn't as Nintendo worthy as Sonic.

I don't see the difference between the Arcade GP games and the Olympic Games. Is it because the Olympic Games series are retail...? I don't see why this is an important distinction in the context of this argument. If you were providing facts I'd be open to your point-of-view, but currently you're basically saying you don't consider GP as valid as the Olympic games, but give no reason. Even if true, that hardly proves anything.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So we're saying that personality is a focus when getting considered for smash?

Mario, Link, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Pikachu, etc. confirmed for scrapped.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I feel like things such as personality are made up requirements by the fanbase. A lot of things are.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I don't see the difference between the Arcade GP games and the Olympic Games. Is it because the Olympic Games series are retail...? I don't see why this is an important distinction in the context of this argument. If you were providing facts I'd be open to your point-of-view, but currently you're basically saying you don't consider GP as valid as the Olympic games, but give no reason. Even if true, that hardly proves anything.

This is a STUPID ARGUMENT!!!!! If you can't understand the facts, then why do you keep scolding me about it? Do you still not know how the Arcade GP games are not mainstream?!?!?!

 

[JamesDNaux]

I never said that the Arcade GP games were disqualified as legit crossovers, just saying that they are not mainstream crossovers like Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games is! Sonic and SEGA alike are far more mainstream with Nintendo than Namco. I'm going by facts here, dude, and PacMan isn't as Nintendo worthy as Sonic.

Are you seriously trying to say that Mario and Sonic at the bloody Olympics is a mainstream series? Mario and Sonic at the bloody ****ing Olympics.

 

[False Sense]

This is a STUPID ARGUMENT!!!!! If you can't understand the facts, then why do you keep scolding me about it? Do you still not know how the Arcade GP games are not mainstream?!?!?!

I think you need to define mainstream.

 

[Deleted member]

This is a STUPID ARGUMENT!!!!! If you can't understand the facts, then why do you keep scolding me about it? Do you still not know how the Arcade GP games are not mainstream?!?!?!

Are you kidding? I chuckled reading this post as I have no idea what you mean by mainstream. Explain?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Are you seriously trying to say that Mario and Sonic at the bloody Olympics is a mainstream series? Mario and Sonic at the bloody ****ing Olympics.

Maybe we don't define "mainstream" the same way. I define it as the most iconic, memorable, and recognizable games, sure the Mario and Sonic series fits this, but the Arcade GP? No

 

[Opossum]

So you're using a subjective opinion as concrete evidence, CliffJumper?

 

[FlareHabanero]

I feel like things such as personality are made up requirements by the fanbase. A lot of things are.

Welcome to Super Smash Bros., where my opinion is a criteria for inclusion or exclusion while yours is a stinky pile of dog crap.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Maybe we don't define "mainstream" the same way. I define it as the most iconic, memorable, and recognizable games, sure the Mario and Sonic series fits this, but the Arcade GP? No

Mario and Sonic skating, jumping hurdles, swimming, and etc is iconic, memorable, and recognizable? Better get back to Wii Fit.

 

[False Sense]

Maybe we don't define "mainstream" the same way. I define it as the most iconic, memorable, and recognizable games, sure the Mario and Sonic series fits this, but the Arcade GP? No

That might just be because you don't physically own it, and as such don't spend as much time and develop a personal connection to the game as you would a game that you owned.

I would say the game is worth mentioning because it's still a crossover where Nintendo and Namco put their biggest icons together. It's not like the effort put into the game doesn't exist just because it's in an arcade.

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe we don't define "mainstream" the same way. I define it as the most iconic, memorable, and recognizable games, sure the Mario and Sonic series fits this, but the Arcade GP? No

Seriously, why. Is it sales, platform, brand recognition? The Arcade GP series is not a small, insignificant one, neither is the Olympic Games series, but I could also argue the Olympic Games' importance when it's a tie-in for a real world sports event. Which is just as valid as saying the Arcade GP games are less mainstream, but both are bad arguments.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

If I may interject.

The Olympic titles are not well liked. It's just popular because it's Mario and Sonic. They aren't what gets Sonic in Smash. Sonic is an icon who has history with Nintendo, as is Pac-Man. As is Mega Man, as is Snake.

You can't deny Pac-Man's impact on gaming. He hasn't been big lately, but he's still a major icon, possibly more recognizable than Sonic. That's arguable though.

This is a stupid argument though. I highly doubt those matter. Sakurai isn't going to look at Pac-Man and the Arcade things and be like, "NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH. NO SMASH FO YU!"

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

So you're using a subjective opinion as concrete evidence, CliffJumper?

Well I make a good point, don't i? The Arcade GP games are far less legendary than Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games. I'm not trying to bash PacMan supporters, just saying that PacMan is not as famous with Nintendo as Sonic

 

[False Sense]

Well I make a good point, don't i? The Arcade GP games are far less legendary than Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games. I'm not trying to bash PacMan supporters, just saying that PacMan is not as famous with Nintendo as Sonic

...Wait, so what about Snake?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Using personality as an argument against a character's inclusion? I dare say this sounds familiar. (don't ask)

Nevertheless, Pac-man not having a very recognizable personality is not going to keep him out, it certainly wasn't enough to prevent R.O.B. from joining Brawl.


As for the whole thing about "Namco isn't getting special treatment", Namco may be helping develop the game, but having Pac-man playable in the game is as equal of a special treatment as Sega and Konami got for their mascots being playable, Sonic and Snake respectively. What "Namco will not be getting special treatment" means is that the company will not be getting a ton of content from various franchises they own. This doesn't necessarily mean they won't get any content in the game.


People want Pac-man in not just because they see potential in him, but because, quite frankly, with his history in the video game industry, he deserves it. He is without a doubt, the only legendary gaming icon left not yet playable in a Smash game. They like the character, they like the original arcade game, but do they care if he doesn't have a consistent and recognizable personality? Doesn't seem to be the case.

And keep in mind, this is all coming from someone who is completely indifferent to Pac-man's inclusion.

 

[SuperBrawler]

Heck, Pac-Man May as well be more recognizable then Mario himself.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

...Wait, so what about Snake?

He's been in before, but I honestly don't see him being cut because of Sakurai's friendship with Kojima. Again, not saying that either Snake or PacMan are disconfirmed

 

[Sehnsucht]

And Now, An Entry From The Super Smash Bros. Dictionary:

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"Special Treatment" [spesh-uhl treet-muh-nt]

1. A Third-Party Company and their character(s) being favoured or prioritized more so than other Third-Party Companies and their character(s), when it comes to playable character consideration in a Super Smash Bros. game.

Ex. 1 - Sega has received two Sonic characters in Super Smash Bros. for the Wii U and 3DS, whereas Capcom has received one Mega Man character. In other words, Sega has received special treatment over Capcom.

Ex. 2 - Sakurai states that Bandai-Namco will not be receiving special treatment from Sora. In other words, Namco-Bandai characters will not be favoured or prioritized over Sega, Capcom, and/or Konami characters.

2. What Sehnsucht does for his good friends.

Ex. - [Censored]

XxXxXxXxXxX​

 

[JamesDNaux]

...Wait, so what about Snake?

I'd like to know what Mario crossover Mega Man happened to be in as well. *cough*

Well I make a good point, don't i? The Arcade GP games are far less legendary than Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games. I'm not trying to bash PacMan supporters, just saying that PacMan is not as famous with Nintendo as Sonic

Can you hook me up with your supplier? Looks like some good ****.

 

[False Sense]

And Now, An Entry From The Super Smash Bros. Dictionary:

XxXxXxXxXxX​

"Special Treatment" [spesh-uhl treet-muh-nt]

1. A Third-Party Company and their character(s) being favoured or prioritized more so than other Third-Party Companies and their character(s), when it comes to playable character consideration in a Super Smash Bros. game.

Ex. 1 - Sega has received two Sonic characters in Super Smash Bros. for the Wii U and 3DS, whereas Capcom has received one Mega Man character. In other words, Sega has received special treatment over Capcom.

Ex. 2 - Sakurai states that Bandai-Namco will not be receiving special treatment from Sora. In other words, Namco-Bandai characters will not be favoured or prioritized over Sega, Capcom, and/or Konami characters.

2. What Sehnsucht does for his good friends.

Ex. - [Censored]

XxXxXxXxXxX​

Why is the Super Smash Bros. Dictionary not a real thing? Something like that could be very useful.

 

[BluePikmin11]

So does anyone want to bet a veteran for tomorrow? I'm betting Ike.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Well I make a good point, don't i? The Arcade GP games are far less legendary than Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games. I'm not trying to bash PacMan supporters, just saying that PacMan is not as famous with Nintendo as Sonic

I wouldn't say those games are legendary. Just because they have Mario and Sonic in the same game doesn't make it good. I bought the first one and got bored of it reaaaaal quick.

Regardless, that isn't why Sonic is getting in in the first place. He's in because he is mega popular, important, and has history with Nintendo. I highly doubt it would go into specifics as far as what games they have. If it did, then I doubt we would have gotten Snake.

 

[False Sense]

So does anyone want to bet a veteran for tomorrow? I'm betting Ike.

I'm going to bet no one for tomorrow and bet Pokemon Trainer for Friday.

I guess he has the slightest bit more reason to be revealed over any other veteran. Not by much, though.

 

[FlareHabanero]

So does anyone want to bet a veteran for tomorrow? I'm betting Ike.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I'd like to know what Mario crossover Mega Man happened to be in as well. *cough*


Can you hook me up with your supplier? Looks like some good ****.

Well, I've for sure played all the Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games titles, but I have yet to meet one who's played the Arcade GP games.

And let me ask you? Were there any advertisements, special coverage, or promotions for the Arcade GP games?

All I'm doing is using Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games as an example of Sonics history with Nintendo

 

[KingofPhantoms]

If we're betting on avatars....then no.

If anyone, I'm going to go ahead and guess that we'll see Jigglypuff soon. Tonight or tomorrow.

 

[Substitution]

Well, I've for sure played all the Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games titles, but I have yet to meet one who's played the Arcade GP games.

And let me ask you? Were there any advertisements, special coverage, or promotions for the Arcade GP games?

To be fair.
Mario Kart GP is a Japan thing.
So no, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, I've for sure played all the Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games titles, but I have yet to meet one who's played the Arcade GP games.

And let me ask you? Were there any advertisements, special coverage, or promotions for the Arcade GP games?

This is incredibly anecdotal evidence. I have never once played the Olympic Games series but I have played a Mario Kart Arcade game at, you guessed it, an arcade. I admit it didn't star Pac-Man, but the GP games are a largely Japanese series anyway, because they have a thriving arcade scene.

 

[Substitution]

If we're betting on avatars....then no.

Well, if it's betting.
I can help with that.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Found this tier list concerning Project M on the internet. It's actually pretty interesting!

 

[IsmaR]

SSB4 Character Discussion
Discuss the characters in the upcoming game! Threads for existing combatants, as well as potential newcomers are in here for your speculating pleasure.

Cliff, I think you just need a break from this thread.

 

[Rockaphin]

Found this tier list concerning Project M on the internet. It's actually pretty interesting!
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Ugh, Fox and Falco. . .
Go Mario and Ivy.

Well, I've for sure played all the Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games titles, but I have yet to meet one who's played the Arcade GP games.

I've played it. I'm not sure if it was heavily advertised or promoted though.

 

[Substitution]

Ugh, Fox and Falco. . .
Go Mario and Ivy.

How do you think I feel.
Mr. G&W is back to the bottom.
It saddens me.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Cliff, I think you just need a break from this thread.

Well, bringing up a different topic didn't do it... Pitiable. I'm off to bed anyway, I have work in the morning

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I feel like things such as personality are made up requirements by the fanbase. A lot of things are.

You mean almost every single one?

Technically, almost any requirement doesn't matter unless we're talking actual minor characters.

 

[Headcrab Jackalope]

How do you think I feel.
Mr. G&W is back to the bottom.
It saddens me.

Two of my mains are at the VERY bottom.