Character Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

So I guess you're gonna ask for him now?

But Mametchi doesn't qualify as a gaming all star.
Therefore no, I will not.

 

[Deleted member]

So....because people are too "young" to recognize many years of Pac-Man's classic design (the "modern" design didn't happen until 2010), it means his image isn't recognizable outside the "classic sprite", which existed......at the same time frame?

Then again, you find Crash deserving for rather hypocritical reasoning....

 

[Gunla]

But Mametchi doesn't qualify as a gaming all star.
Therefore no, I will not.

Tamagotchi isn't really a case like Pac-Man is; It's more of a toy than a game, and it's never been as formidable in the gaming department. It's not exactly... reasonable like ROB is for being a toy.

 

[ChikoLad]

But Mametchi doesn't qualify as a gaming all star.
Therefore no, I will not.

You do realise Pac-Man was only in that game because Namco developed it and they weren't dealing with a strict man like Sakurai, right?

Sakurai has already stated that Namco gets no special treatment just because they are working on the game. I'm pretty sure Mario Kart Arcade GP was the reason he mentioned that. It seemed like a very deliberate thing to say.

 

[Louie G.]

So....because people are too "young" to recognize many years of Pac-Man's classic design (the "modern" design didn't happen until 2010), it means his image isn't recognizable outside the "classic sprite", which existed......at the same time frame?

Then again, you find Crash deserving for rather hypocritical reasoning....

He also finds Sonic to be one of the most unique characters in the game.
But hey who am I to judge.

I suppose Pac-Man is bound to be the character that nobody thinks is likely because they are blinded by their bias.
Pac-Man not being worthy? Ha.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Sakurai has already stated that Namco gets no special treatment just because they are working on the game. I'm pretty sure Mario Kart Arcade GP was the reason he mentioned that. It seemed like a very deliberate thing to say.

Exactly, that's why the odds are not in PacMan's favor

 

[ChikoLad]

He also finds Sonic to be one of the most unique characters in the game.
But hey who am I to judge.

I suppose Pac-Man is bound to be the character that nobody thinks is likely because they are blinded by their bias.
Pac-Man not being worthy? Ha.

I am not even going to bother with this because you are the biased one. Bringing up unrelated tings in an attempt to make stabs at me is basically plastering a sign over your face saying "I'm biased and Pac-Man deserves to be in because".

 

[Louie G.]

Sakurai has already stated that Namco gets no special treatment just because they are working on the game. I'm pretty sure Mario Kart Arcade GP was the reason he mentioned that. It seemed like a very deliberate thing to say.

Yeah, I suppose it was to emphasize that no Tekken, Tales, or Klonoa characters would make it in.
Sakurai said that third parties must be "legendary" and I'll be darned if Pac-Man isn't.

I am not even going to bother with this because you are the biased one. Bringing up unrelated tings in an attempt to make stabs at me is basically plastering a sign over your face saying "I'm biased and Pac-Man deserves to be in because".

Dude I don't even WANT Pac-Man in that much.
I just think that so many people are biased against a well deserved character and it's wrong.

 

[Opossum]

Honestly, I don't have a problem with Pac Man. I just heavily dislike the Ghostly Adventures design. Hopefully if he's in, Sakurai goes with the Pac Man World design.

Please make his pummel the Force Lightning from PMW3.

 

[Tepig2000]

You do realise Pac-Man was only in that game because Namco developed it and they weren't dealing with a strict man like Sakurai, right?

Sakurai has already stated that Namco gets no special treatment just because they are working on the game. I'm pretty sure Mario Kart Arcade GP was the reason he mentioned that. It seemed like a very deliberate thing to say.

Just because Namco does not get special treatment it does not mean it can't get a character.

 

[ChikoLad]

Yeah, I suppose it was to emphasize that no Tekken, Tales, or Klonoa characters would make it in.
Sakurai said that third parties must be "legendary" and I'll be darned if Pac-Man isn't.

The original Pac-Man game is legendary. The series as a whole and it's mascot? No.

 

[IsmaR]

Half of the other reason I want Snake to hurry up and get revealed is to shut people up on these matters.

Although I somehow doubt Pac-fans would lose gusto, at least these arguments would pop up less frequently.

 

[Deleted member]

Pac-Man, I care about as much as Mega Man (which is to say, not very much), but I'd be lying if I said Pac-Man wasn't enough of a legendary gaming icon to warrant a guest appearance in Smash.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Just because Namco does not get special treatment it does not mean it can't get a character.

Special treatment of ANY KIND was what Sakurai meant, so yes, Smash can and most likely will survive without PacMan

 

[ChikoLad]

Half of the other reason I want Snake to hurry up and get revealed is to shut people up on these matters.

Although I somehow doubt Pac-fans would lose gusto, at least these arguments would pop up less frequently.

Don't worry. If Pac-Man ain't in the game, there will be DLC petitions aplenty.

 

[NickerBocker]

Sakurai has already stated that Namco gets no special treatment just because they are working on the game.

No Special Treatment =/= No characters included from the company.

It just means that characters from that company will get no special treatment in their consideration. A character like Pacman, for example, is legendary enough, popular enough, recognizable enough, and certainly has a big enough impact on the videogame world, that includes Nintendo, that he could be included.

It would be weird to think that a company would have more of a chance to include their character if they weren't working on the game.

Honestly, if Sakurai approached Namco and asked for a character, it would more than likely be Pacman.

 

[IsmaR]

Don't worry. If Pac-Man ain't in the game, there will be DLC petitions aplenty.

Right after they finish adding the Forbidden 7 to Brawl.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

No Special Treatment =/= No characters included from the company

Yes it does! Think a little more about it, SEGA and Capcom are getting Special treatment with Sonic and MegaMan, so yes, The odds stand against PacMan

 

[Louie G.]

Yes it does! Think a little more about it, SEGA and Capcom are getting Special treatment with Sonic and MegaMan, so yes, The odds stand against PacMan

Sonic and Mega Man are "legendary" characters, and so is Pac.

 

[ChikoLad]

No Special Treatment =/= No characters included from the company.

It just means that characters from that company will get no special treatment in their consideration. A character like Pacman, for example, is legendary enough, popular enough, recognizable enough, and certainly has a big enough impact on the videogame world, that includes Nintendo, that he could be included.

It would be weird to think that a company would have more of a chance to include their character if they weren't working on the game.

Yes it does, because third parties ARE special treatment. Period. They are not supposed to be there according to the #1 rule of the Smash roster that none of us can argue against (i.e. They must be a Nintendo character), yet they are. That is special treatment if ever I saw it.

And another point regarding Pac-Man - and be honest, all of you - can any of you say you genuinely love this character?

People love Mario because he's a jolly Italian guy.
People love Sonic because he's got an attitude and an edge, and has been extremely expressive since his first game. Sonic HIMSELF is why his series is so successful.
People love Mega Man because he's a cute but stoic robot with a lot of strength, cool powers, and a sense of justice.
People love Pac-Man because........???

 

[Deleted member]

No Special Treatment =/= No characters included from the company.

It just means that characters from that company will get no special treatment in their consideration. A character like Pacman, for example, is legendary enough, popular enough, recognizable enough, and certainly has a big enough impact on the videogame world, that includes Nintendo, that he could be included.

It would be weird to think that a company would have more of a chance to include their character if they weren't working on the game.

These are my exact feelings on that "special treatment" quote. I can't remember who it was, but someone made a great point about why Sakurai made the statement - Namco not only owns the rights to Pac-Man, Tales of and Tekken, but the rights to DragonBall's game license. That's right; if Sakurai didn't make it clear that Namco wasn't getting special treatment, imagine the overload of stupid requests.

It absolutely does not mean Namco will get no reps. Nintendo and Namco are close partners, Pac-Man appears in the Arcade Mario Kart games as a playable character, you all must have seen the Tekken Wii U game and its comical showcasing of the Nintendo-themed costumes at the E3 Direct in 2013. I can't think of another third-party besides Sega, who is already represented by Sonic, who is closer to Nintendo. It goes further than the development of Smash 4 and there is likewise reasoning for the belief in a Namco rep.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Sonic and Mega Man are "legendary" characters, and so is Pac.

Seeing as how Namco Bandai is not getting Special Treatment like SEGA and Capcom are, It doesn't matter!

 

[NickerBocker]

Yes it does! Think a little more about it, SEGA and Capcom are getting Special treatment with Sonic and MegaMan, so yes, The odds stand against PacMan

Pacman doesnt require any special treatment to get in. He's one of the only legendary 3rd parties left that is an actually viable option

 

[Deleted member]

Special treatment of ANY KIND was what Sakurai meant, so yes, Smash can and most likely will survive without PacMan

Oh, so you can read Sakurai's mind, now?

Also, it's quite hilarious that you can't seem to grasp the context of "special treatment".
In that Bamco doesn't get a free pass into having one of their characters just because they're co-developing. They still have to go through the same hurdles Konami, Sega, and Capcom went through for their characters.

You know what you're saying? You're saying the exact opposite. You're saying Bamco will be given negative treatment; they won't get anything, even *if* they jump those hurdles the other companies did.
Which is a load of bull****.

Seeing as how Namco Bandai is not getting Special Treatment like SEGA and Capcom are, It doesn't matter!

....Further proof you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Louie G.]

Seeing as how Namco Bandai is not getting Special Treatment like SEGA and Capcom are, It doesn't matter!

Neither of them are getting "special treatment", more like a popular character from their company is being added due to fan request and overall fame.

 

[NickerBocker]

People love Pac-Man because........???

Waka-Waka

 

[ChikoLad]

Neither of them are getting "special treatment", more like a popular character from their company is being added due to fan request and overall fame.

...So they're getting special treatment?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Pacman doesnt require any special treatment to get in. He's one of the only legendary 3rd parties left that is an actually viable option

ANY 3rd party character needs special treatment no matter how famous! PacMan is almost completely unimportant to Nintendo compared to the third party characters already in

 

[Deleted member]

Yes it does, because third parties ARE special treatment. Period. They are not supposed to be there according to the #1 rule of the Smash roster that none of us can argue against (i.e. They must be a Nintendo character), yet they are. That is special treatment if ever I saw it.

And another point regarding Pac-Man - and be honest, all of you - can say you genuinely love this character?

People love Mario because he's a jolly Italian guy.
People love Sonic because he's got an attitude and an edge, and has been extremely expressive since his first game. Sonic HIMSELF is why his series is so successful.
People love Mega Man because he's a cute but stoic robot with a lot of strength, cool powers, and a sense of justice.
People love Pac-Man because........???

People love Pac-Man because he's a the first gaming mascot who invented many of the things that are taken for granted today. The character is versatile enough to be brave, courageous and whimsical all in one simple stroke. I'm not basing that on anything but the Arcade box art and the extremely short, simplistic cutscenes from the original Arcade game.

 

[Deleted member]

...So they're getting special treatment?

What is it with people that don't understand the concept of special treatment?

 

[Deleted member]

ANY 3rd party character needs special treatment no matter how famous! PacMan is almost completely unimportant to Nintendo compared to the third party characters already in

Pac-Man does have ties to Nintendo. Namco's Pac-Man games have been on Nintendo platforms almost exclusively if they aren't on all platforms since the Gamecube generation. Don't you remember the racing game that was a huge focus of that one E3, that starred Pac-Man? It was a huge part of a Nintendo E3 over five years ago. Ever since then Pac-Man has also starred in many crossover kart games alongside Mario. There are far more ties between Nintendo and Namco than there are between Nintendo and Capcom, I'd dare say Sega isn't as connected.

It's not solely Smash 4 that Namco is helping to Nintendo to develop. The two have a very friendly working relationship and have had one for about a decade.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

What is it with people that don't understand the concept of special treatment?

You know what? I could've asked you the same exact thing?

 

[ChikoLad]

People love Pac-Man because he's a the first gaming mascot who invented many of the things that are taken for granted today. The character is versatile enough to be brave, courageous and whimsical all in one simple stroke. I'm not basing that on anything but the Arcade box art and the cutscenes from the original Arcade game.

But can you prove that, because it's the first I have heard of it.

My statement on Mario is based off of just plain seeing it everywhere I go, and in every event I watch relating to the character.
My statement on Sonic is based off of the countless interviews I have watched, and, plain seeing it everywhere I go.
My statement on Mega Man is based off of ad campaigns, his Smash reception, and various videos discussing the character himself.

There is nothing saying people love Pac-Man based off of being one of the first gaming mascots. And his arcade boxart is just generic "reaction" expressions to give players something to envision Pac-Man as feeling within the game. Not many people actually think of the game that way though, they just care about that Hi-Score.

 

[Deleted member]

Hate to bag on Snake, but anyone that claims Pac-Man is less important to Nintendo than Snake, who's considered a Sony All-Star by many, and has very limited Nintendo appearances, is a moron.

You know what? I could've asked you the same exact thing?

And I could've said I was Santa Claus.
Though like you questioning about people not grasping a simple concept of "special" treatment, it would hold no meaning.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Sega isn't as connected as Namco

THIS is the most ridiculous lie I've ever been told!!!

 

[ChikoLad]

Hate to bag on Snake, but anyone that claims Pac-Man is less important to Nintendo than Snake, who's considered a Sony All-Star by many, and has very limited Nintendo appearances, is a moron.

Nobody has claimed that. I never, in a million years, would have asked for Snake to be in a Smash Bros game, because it would seem impossible. But since he was in Brawl, people are going to want him back (especially since he was high on the tier list). In general, I'm opposed to cuts (and Sakurai says he is aiming to minimise them).

 

[Deleted member]

But can you prove that, because it's the first I have heard of it.

My statement on Mario is based off of just plain seeing it everywhere I go, and in every event I watch relating to the character.
My statement on Sonic is based off of the countless interviews I have watched, and, plain seeing it everywhere I go.
My statement on Mega Man is based off of ad campaigns, his Smash reception, and various videos discussing the character himself.

There is nothing saying people love Pac-Man based off of being one of the first gaming mascots. And his arcade boxart is just generic "reaction" expressions to give players something to envision Pac-Man as feeling within the game. Not many people actually think of the game that way though, they just care about that Hi-Score.

I think what you are experiencing is confirmation bias. There are many fans of Pac-Man and the Arcade game is unfairly disregarded as a simplistic maze game when it has an incredible depth to how its mechanics work. The idea that Pac-Man has no personality is also a misconception and those cutscenes were the first of their kind in a game. Later on it's only solidified that it's his personality.

THIS is the most ridiculous lie I've ever been told!!!

In terms of co-development, it may be true. I don't remember the last time Nintendo entrusted a gigantically important IP to a third-party developer. Smash 4 is a big deal and Nintendo clearly trusts Namco to see through the project.

 

[ChikoLad]

I think what you are experiencing is confirmation bias. There are many fans of Pac-Man and the Arcade game is generally disregarded as some really simplistic maze game when it has an incredible depth to how it works. The idea that Pac-Man has no personality is also a misconception and those cutscenes were the first of their kind in a game. Later on it's only solidified that it's his personality.



In terms of co-development, it may be true. I don't remember the last time Nintendo entrusted a gigantic IP to a third-party developer. Smash 4 is a big deal and Nintendo clearly trusts Namco to see through the project.

I never denied the greatness of the original game, so no. What I am saying is, Pac-Man is not recognised due to his character. Having character =/= being recognised because of it. Mario, Sonic, and Mega Man are all recognised BECAUSE of their character portrayals. Pac-Man is not. That is the key difference. And why Pac-Man doesn't fit in with these three, which seems to be basis of people wanting him (not to mention he is not even a platform game character, primarily).

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

In terms of co-development, it may be true. I don't remember the last time Nintendo entrusted a gigantic IP to a third-party developer. Smash 4 is a big deal and Nintendo clearly trusts Namco to see through the project.

Think about it this way!
Has PacMan ever been in a mainstream Mario crossover? NO!!!!!!!!!!
Has Sonic ever been in a mainstream Mario crossover? Yes, he's been in A LOT!!!!
Are the ties between Nintendo and SEGA strong? VERY STRONG!!!!!!
Are the ties between Namco and Nintendo strong? Not as much!
So yes, you were lying to me!

 

[ChikoLad]

Namco only really supported Nintendo during the Gamecube era until recently, and did not even release their biggest hits on Nintendo consoles most of the time.

Sega have supported Nintendo SINCE stepping down as a rival company to them, and have heavily supported Nintendo and release most of their biggest hits on Nintendo systems. Sonic games also sell a lot better on Nintendo systems than anywhere else. Sonic Colours even outsold Generations, despite being Nintendo exclusive.