Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Looking at the above discussion about Sandbag (meh....), I'll state this:

If we were to ever have a Smash-original character be playable, it would be the true entity behind Master Hand and Crazy Hand; the one in which they serve as the link between the World of Trophies and the world beyond.

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Just some examples.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Looking at the above discussion about Sandbag (meh....), I'll state this:

If we were to ever have a Smash-original character be playable, it would be the true entity behind Master Hand and Crazy Hand; the one in which they serve as the link between the World of Trophies and the world beyond.

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Just some examples.

Didn't the intro to 64 show that Master Hand is just a had in a room that plays with Nintendo toys, essentially making him the player?

Wait a minute...............


Does this make the hands' full body is actually Captain N?

Also, I always pictured it as being Mario/Luigi's gloves, so I guess they are a hyper-realistic Mario.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Dream Roster:

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120 Characters-12 columns of 10 characters each

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Toad
Rosalina
Daisy
Waluigi
Bowser
Bowser Jr.
Paper Mario

Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
Cranky Kong
King K. Rool
Yoshi
Kamek
Wario
Mona
Jimmy T.

Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganon
Ganondorf
Impa
Skull Kid
Midna
Toon Link
Tetra/Toon Zelda
Tingle

Samus/Zero Suit
Ridley
Kraid
Mother Brain
Dark Samus
Pit
Dark Pit
Palutena
Medusa
Hades

Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Waddle Dee
Prince Fluff
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh
Pico
Jody Summer
Black Shadow

Fox
Falco
Peppy
Slippy
Krystal
Wolf
Leon
Panther
Pigma
Andrew

Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard)
Pokemon Rival (Pidgeot, Arcanine, Tyranitar)
Meowth
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Blaziken
Gardevoir
Lucario
Zoroark

Ness
Paula
Jeff
Poo
Lucas
Kumatora
Duster
Boney
Claus
Porky

Marth
Sigurd
Leif
Roy
Lyn
Ephraim
Ike
Micaiah
Chrom
Avatar

Mr. Game & Watch
Little Mac
Bubbles
Excitebiker
Balloon Fighter
Ice Climbers
R.O.B.
Takamaru
Sukapon
Muddy Mole

Lip
Ray
Saki
Villager
Olimar
Isaac
Starfy
Mii
Wii Fit Trainer
Shulk

Pac-man
Bomberman
Hero (Dragon Quest)
Simon Belmont
Snake
Cloud Strife
Mega Man
Ryu Hayabusa
Sonic the Hedgehog
Professor Layton

Kinda nice. I find it a dream roster worth commenting about.

- I love that you have Fire Emblem characters from every game in the series, sans Gaiden and the remakes. An antagonist would've been nice, though. Preferably Medeus or Zelgius (as the Black Knight).

- As far as I know, yours is one of the few wishlist rosters on here that has Snake, Simon, and Bomberman coexisting. Kudos.

- Star Fox and Mother seem over-represented compared to some other series. I guess you were trying to go for "franchise equality"? (and possibly trying to make some character series fit within roster columns) I know it's a dream roster and all, but still.

- Where's Sceppy in the Pokemon section? I thought you liked it/him.

- I'm assuming "Pokemon Rival" is Blue. Pidgeot and Arcanine are Pokemon he uses as champion, and Tyranitar is one that he uses in the remakes during the post-Sevii rematch.

I actually have a idea with Blue as a character too, only he uses Pidgeot, Rhydon, and Alakazam. And possibly Gyarados for a Final Smash?

@ Mega Bidoof . Oh, I just noticed that you have the Grovyle from PMD2 in your signature banner.

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[M23-X0]

Besides Ice climbers, do we have any ice-based characters on SSB ? It's a shame that the game has only fire and electricity characters/moves.
Who is the most popular ice-based character not in the game yet ?

 

[MasterofMonster]

Besides Ice climbers, do we have any ice-based characters on SSB ? It's a shame that the game has only fire and electricity characters/moves.
Who is the most popular ice-based character not in the game yet ?

Not sure, but a Ice Pokémon is possible. I want playable Vanillish!

I'd say that the roster will be between 45-50, tbh. They have a very big team now, compared to Brawl, and Brawl already had loads of newcomers. And their new teams are really good at balancing, so that should go quicker, too. I honestly Think there will be more newcomers than most expect. ^^

 

[FlareHabanero]

The sad thing is that that's probably all you'll see in matchmaking. Just Miis. I came to Smash Bros to duel with iconic Nintendo characters, not ****ty, generic wannabe avatars that can't even come close to replicating what you look like.

No matter how I look at it, I can't see Miis as anything but a waste of resources and a character slot.

The only way I could see this situation being avoided is if on random Wi-Fi all customization is disabled and you can only use the default settings.

Of course, I know that isn't going to happen.

 

[?????????????]

Kinda nice. I find it a dream roster worth commenting about.

- I love that you have Fire Emblem characters from every game in the series, sans Gaiden and the remakes. An antagonist would've been nice, though. Preferably Medeus or Zelgius (as the Black Knight).

- As far as I know, yours is one of the few wishlist rosters on here that has Snake, Simon, and Bomberman coexisting. Kudos.

- Star Fox and Mother seem over-represented compared to some other series. I guess you were trying to go for "franchise equality"? (and possibly trying to make some character series fit within roster columns) I know it's a dream roster and all, but still.

- Where's Sceppy in the Pokemon section? I thought you liked it/him.

- I'm assuming "Pokemon Rival" is Blue. Pidgeot and Arcanine are Pokemon he uses as champion, and Tyranitar is one that he uses in the remakes during the post-Sevii rematch.

I actually have a idea with Blue as a character too, only he uses Pidgeot, Rhydon, and Alakazam. And possibly Gyarados for a Final Smash?

Thanks!

- Yeah, with Fire Emblem, I felt like I wanted to go with a theme, y'know? Either pick a span of protagonists, or pick a few games and flesh out those rosters. Like, maybe have Marth, Caeda, Tiki, and Hardin? Ike, Micaiah, Sothe, and Zelgius? But I chose the span instead.

- Thanks! I don't have qualms about Simon Belmont and Bomberman coexisting with Snake. I don't think it likely (right now), but they're all good characters.

- Yeah, I get that with Star Fox. I mean, I could have done the same with Kirby or Donkey Kong, but I chose Star Fox as the series to get it's own column. I guess I just saw an opportunity to have the entire main cast of the games, sans Andross. As for MOTHER, I am a particular fan and wanted to flesh out the difference characters and styles...although I didn't choose anything from MOTHER 1. I decided to stick with EarthBound and MOTHER 3 to really flesh out those rosters, so a bit opposite of my take on Fire Emblem.

- Sceptile, tied with Mewtwo, is my favorite Pokemon. But I felt the choices I made in this roster were better suited.

- Yep, that's how the "Pokemon Rival" works. I wanted to give him fitting Pokemon of rivaling and unique playstyles. Pidgeot is all air, Arcanine is a large quadruped, and Tyranitar is super heavy.

 

[Deleted member]

Besides Ice climbers, do we have any ice-based characters on SSB ? It's a shame that the game has only fire and electricity characters/moves.
Who is the most popular ice-based character not in the game yet ?

There aren't many, the only other ice attack I can think of off the top of my head is PK Freeze.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Besides Ice climbers, do we have any ice-based characters on SSB ? It's a shame that the game has only fire and electricity characters/moves.
Who is the most popular ice-based character not in the game yet ?

Hakkun from Suitte Hakkun of course.

There was also this "ice hockey" game on NES made by nintendo (easy pick), and we can consider characters like the Ice Dragon from the kirby series (he is iconic if you know kirby) or Twinrova i guess, Tropical Freeze etc... there is always one ice-bad guy in nintendo so we could search there, polar bear from IC for example.

Snowman from mother as a stage anyone?

 

[Deleted member]

Don't forget Chilly from Kirby. There are probably hundreds of snowman enemies in Nintendo games.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Besides Ice climbers, do we have any ice-based characters on SSB ? It's a shame that the game has only fire and electricity characters/moves.
Who is the most popular ice-based character not in the game yet ?

I prefer K. Rool, though...

 

[Deleted member]

There are a few great ice-based bosses in Tropical Freeze that could have good sets and are fairly unique. The polar bear that fights with ice blocks and ice shockwaves (that's a new one) is probably my favorite. In the old Country and DK64 games they had some too, as well as normal enemies, as Rare loved to cram in all types of monster designs.

 

[Oniric Spriter]

Hakkun from Suitte Hakkun of course.

He's a snowman and a mosquito?
Interesting character indeed.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Ok, you wan reasons I think Sandbag has a chance? Here.
Note that theres are only very subtle reasons.
1. The home run batt was upgraded, and was also shown off without Sandbag. Sandbag and the bat are known for being connected. Wouldn't it make sense to show the off together? and also, the bat was upgraded and made more powerful than the previous bat. While all the other fighters threw the old, low-tech bat aside, they never expected that Sandbag would take it, and use it as some attacks. having it all the time wouldn't be OP, since the item version is stronger than the original is.

2.He was shown in Mac's trailer, but only in the cinematic parts. One of Mac's big things in the trailer was beating up Sandbag, but that was only shown in the cinematic portions. Why wasn't there a single second of Mac beating up Sandbag in the actual gameplay?

Again, these are very vague reasons, but they are still reasons.

Honestly, those aren't reasons to assume that at all.

Saying the Home Run Bat picture points towards something about Sandbag being playable is like saying that every picture with Dedede means something towards Bandanna Dee, which is terrible logic. Especially after just one picture with the Bat.

I would argue that the only reason Sandbag was in the Mac Trailer was because it was a play on beating the crap out of him in Training Mode, much like what the trailer was in the beginning.

Those aren't just vague reasons. They're unfounded and reaching waaaay too far. If we had a screenshot for the home run contest, and Sandbag isn't there, then that's something...but I find that very doubtful.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Honestly, those aren't reasons to assume that at all.

Saying the Home Run Bat picture points towards something about Sandbag being playable is like saying that every picture with Dedede means something towards Bandanna Dee, which is terrible logic. Especially after just one picture with the Bat.

I would argue that the only reason Sandbag was in the Mac Trailer was because it was a play on beating the crap out of him in Training Mode, much like what the trailer was in the beginning.

Those aren't just vague reasons. They're unfounded and reaching waaaay too far. If we had a screenshot for the home run contest, and Sandbag isn't there, then that's something...but I find that very doubtful.

Actually, I feel that the fact that Dedede was revealed without the Dee Minion Throw does kinda point at Bandana Dee. Which is kinda like Sandbag and the bat. There are two things that are closely tied together in Smash, and only one is revealed with the other nowhere in sight.

And as I said, they are aren't very good reasons. But they are my reasons, and if they give me a tiny reason to think Sandbag is just the slightest bit more likely, I'll take them.

But from here, I'll just wait to he is either confirmed or deconfirmed.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I really don't know why we would even try to support Sandbag. We should obviously support the characters in my sig.

 

[Kenith]

I really don't know why we would even try to support Sandbag. We should obviously support the characters in my sig.

I would praise Reggie ironicially. Anyone else would actually make me mad.
In your sig.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Ice users? Can't really think of any notable newcomers for this. Everyone's either unlikely, laughably unlikely, or pure impossible.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Glaceon for Smash.

 

[Kenith]

Glaceon for Smash.

Not a bad idea, actually.

 

[Will]

Any Pokemon has a 1/718 chance of making it in.

Glaceon is farther away than you think

 

[Zhadgon]

From Metroid you have Rundas (Metroid Prime 3) and Noxus (Metroid Prime Hunters) both bounty hunters with Ice theme on them and use Ice Powers.

.n_n.

 

[BluePikmin11]

If Sakurai considers Eevee, I could actually see 3 of his evolutions happening.
I think they have somewhat of a chance, but that depends on Gamefreak and what Pokemon they want as a newcomer.

 

[Opossum]

Any Pokemon has a 1/718 chance of making it in.

Glaceon is farther away than you think

That assumes that all Pokemon are equally likely. They aren't. Mewtwo's not on the same playing field as Carnivine.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Hakkun isn't based around ice at all.

He's a bubble creature that sucks up blocks, as well as paint within blocks using a proboscis and puts it in other blocks in order to solve puzzles. The colors of paint make the blocks move in certain ways.

However, there is a special version of Sutte Hakkun called '98 Winter Event Version that is set in a snowy climate.

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[Scoliosis Jones]

That assumes that all Pokemon are equally likely. They aren't. Mewtwo's not on the same playing field as Carnivine.

I was going to say that. The only Pokemon that have any sort of chance are basically Mewtwo...and I don't even know who else. I don't think anyone is even close.

 

[Will]

That assumes that all Pokemon are equally likely. They aren't. Mewtwo's not on the same playing field as Carnivine.

Well,yes,but I'm saying every Pokemon has a chance.
Like,a 0.49% chance for Feebas.
Or a 2.07% chance for Quagsire

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Well,yes,but I'm saying every Pokemon has a chance.
Like,a 0.49% chance for Feebas.
Or a 2.07% chance for Quagsire

While you are technically correct, that is one of my pet peeves with the Smash Bros fanbase.

There are characters that have support threads on here who have an astronomically small chance, yet the supporters act like they're a gold mine. There are several Pokemon threads for Pokemon that are absolutely NOT going to be playable. I can argue that with common sense. There shouldn't need to be an explanation as to why Caterpie isn't going to playable over Mewtwo at this point. That goes for I would say roughly 700 Pokemon. Most legendary Pokemon will never be picked, most obscure Pokemon will not be playable.

Like I said, the requirements Sakurai has for Pokemon make sense because of the vast amount of them. That's why Mewtwo is almost a guarantee, and it's exactly why the only Pokemon aside from him that have any sort of chance are basically either Genesect and Zoroark, and they don't have a whole lot going for them either besides movies.

This was a mini rant I suppose. I just don't like when common sense is thrown out the window. It's like saying that a random one off Fire Emblem character from Fire Emblem 3 is going to get in. Common sense dictates that won't happen.

This isn't a post to rip you apart @ Will . It's not like it's just you. There are many other users who are adamant about things like I listed.

 

[ihskeyp]

I would only want Eevee if all the evolutions are represented.... Which won't happen.
I would love Gardevoir though, with the mega-evolution as a final smash... Gardevoir is really the only pokemon I want in, but that most likely won't happen

 

[Cpt.]

I was going to say that. The only Pokemon that have any sort of chance are basically Mewtwo...and I don't even know who else. I don't think anyone is even close.

I'd say Eevee has a decent chance, but no, no one has nearly as much chance as Mewtwo.

 

[?????????????]

Actually, I feel that the fact that Dedede was revealed without the Dee Minion Throw does kinda point at Bandana Dee. Which is kinda like Sandbag and the bat. There are two things that are closely tied together in Smash, and only one is revealed with the other nowhere in sight.

And as I said, they are aren't very good reasons. But they are my reasons, and if they give me a tiny reason to think Sandbag is just the slightest bit more likely, I'll take them.

But from here, I'll just wait to he is either confirmed or deconfirmed.

Honestly, I don't see why the Home-Run Bat necessarily must be associated with Sandbag. The bat has been in the series before Sandbag was created, and in Brawl, while the "Home Run Contest" game exists, both the bat and Sandbag are also separate items in the game.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

There shouldn't need to be an explanation as to why Caterpie isn't going to playable over Mewtwo at this point.

Bu-bu-but!
http://ssb4.wikia.com/wiki/Mewtwo
Mewtwo is overpowered! He can't be playable in Smash!
... Seriously though, can someone explain to these guys how Mewtwo was low tier in Melee?

 

[Arcadenik]

I played Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze for the first time today. I was Player 1 so I was Donkey Kong... my boyfriend played as Diddy Kong. When my older brother who doesn't play Donkey Kong Country games (he is not a gamer) came in to see the intro... he asked me "what is the 'alligator boss' doing this time?"... I told him that the game has a new "walrus boss with ice powers" and he wants to freeze the "monkey island" and rule it... he liked that the walrus boss has penguin minions.

 

[Will]

While you are technically correct, that is one of my pet peeves with the Smash Bros fanbase.

There are characters that have support threads on here who have an astronomically small chance, yet the supporters act like they're a gold mine. There are several Pokemon threads for Pokemon that are absolutely NOT going to be playable. I can argue that with common sense. There shouldn't need to be an explanation as to why Caterpie isn't going to playable over Mewtwo at this point. That goes for I would say roughly 700 Pokemon. Most legendary Pokemon will never be picked, most obscure Pokemon will not be playable.

Like I said, the requirements Sakurai has for Pokemon make sense because of the vast amount of them. That's why Mewtwo is almost a guarantee, and it's exactly why the only Pokemon aside from him that have any sort of chance are basically either Genesect and Zoroark, and they don't have a whole lot going for them either besides movies.

This was a mini rant I suppose. I just don't like when common sense is thrown out the window. It's like saying that a random one off Fire Emblem character from Fire Emblem 3 is going to get in. Common sense dictates that won't happen.

This isn't a post to rip you apart @ Will . It's not like it's just you. There are many other users who are adamant about things like I listed.

I don't want any of the low chance Pokemon,really. I'm just showing my examples for my explination.
Mewtwo is actually my go-to hope for the next Pokemon reveal (besides PKMN Trainer or Jigglypuff). Speaking of Pokemon,I don't really see how the Mega Lucario Final Smash will work. Unless Mega Lucario has high aura,I need explaining.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Eevee has a lot of potential to be in and is very likeable after sylveon, he was also somewhat pikachu's rival on yellow so clone the normals will make sense.

 

[M23-X0]

Indeed, it seems that there is a lot of ice-based characters, but too bad there are only fodders. No important characters besides Hakkun (but someone just said that he's not ice-based xD) and maybe the new DK walrus boss (impossible).
Too bad, I want SSB to represent different type of magics and not fire/electric only... (actually this is the reason I support both Isaac for earth magic and Palutena for light magic).

 

[Arcadenik]

Bu-bu-but!
http://ssb4.wikia.com/wiki/Mewtwo
Mewtwo is overpowered! He can't be playable in Smash!
... Seriously though, can someone explain to these guys how Mewtwo was low tier in Melee?

Mewtwo in Melee probably has a Sassy nature (high special defense, low speed) and wasn't EV-trained for good attack and special attack stats.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Glaceon Moveset:
Glaceon relies on one thing, keep away and freeze. Using Ice Shard to keep away from the opponent as much as possible, reflecting with her Mirror Coat, and using the Ice Beam on when the time is right are just one of the many techniques Glaceon can use.

Neutral-B: Ice Beam: a charge-up attack like R.O.B., only the range is halved and it freeze the opponent for a temporary time.

Side-B: Ice Shard: a quick short-ranged attack used to keep the opponent at bay. Can be used up to 5 times before Glaceon needs to recharge the shards.

Down-B: Mirror Coat: a quick countershield attack that reflects Glaceon from projectiles and hits them back with 1.5x the damage. Although the hit box of the shield is basically her whole body.

Up-B: Frost Bite: a short recovery move that Glaceon uses, it does not have as much vertical range as other recoveries. But it can freeze the opponent if caught in her frost.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Honestly, I don't see why the Home-Run Bat necessarily must be associated with Sandbag. The bat has been in the series before Sandbag was created, and in Brawl, while the "Home Run Contest" game exists, both the bat and Sandbag are also separate items in the game.

Yeah, it was in 64, before Sandbag's debut, but once Sandbag was introduced with the HRC, they have been closely connected.
When you think Home-Run Bat, you think Home-Run-Contest.
And when you think Sandbag, you think Mega Bidoof Home-Run Contest.

That assumes that all Pokemon are equally likely. They aren't. Mewtwo's not on the same playing field as Carnivine.

Right, all Pokémon aren't equal!
Smash isn't some sort of Pokè-civil rights movement!

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah, it was in 64, before Sandbag's debut, but once Sandbag was introduced with the HRC, they have been closely connected.
When you think Home-Run Bat, you think Home-Run-Contest.
And when you think Sandbag, you think Mega Bidoof Home-Run Contest.

So that means we can have targets and "Board the" platforms as playable then.