Character Discussion Thread

[AncientTobacco]

By the way, I think the four DLC characters are going to be Wolf, King K. Rool, Isaac, and Inkling. In that order.

Inkling isn't happening.

 

[Kenith]

Inkling isn't happening.

Care to elaborate? I notice you tend to say something isn't happening and leave it at that.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Inkling isn't happening.

Well, Mr. Sakurai. Sorry about wanting a character. Seriously, only Sakurai knows what characters are getting in, don't be so sure. Inklings are very likely although personally I think they should be reserved for Smash 5 since you know. Hype Train.

 

[StormC]

Inkling is a coin flip for me. They're incredibly popular and Splatoon was a huge success, but the fact that Sakurai would probably want a stage developed alongside them (contrasted to characters from pre-existing series) plus them already getting both Mii Fighter costumes and a trophy as previous DLC and that they're a big reveal that can be saved for 5mash makes me unsure of their standing.

EDIT: There's also been speculation about whether or not their ink/paint mechanic would work on the 3DS.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

You know, even if we don't get Inkling, I would at least like to see a Splatoon stage.

 

[Kenith]

I don't think the Mii costumes are a strike against Inklings. Contrary to what everyone believes it would really easy to see the difference between the Inklings and the Miis.
Mainly because of, you know, the Miis having emote faces, not using ink, not being a squid now, and not using any of the weapons or gear Inklings would likely bring to Smash.

 

[StormC]

I don't think mixing up the characters visually matters, but Sakurai might feel that's all is warranted to represent Splatoon in 4.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Splatoon gets surprisingly laggy when playing multiplayer Battle Dojo on the Gamepad.
I imagine it would be way harder to implement on the 3DS too.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I imagine it would be way harder to implement on the 3DS too.

"The 3DS version will not hinder the Wii U version at all"Sakurai
IC mains be like

 

[Kenith]

I don't think mixing up the characters visually matters, but Sakurai might feel that's all is warranted to represent Splatoon in 4.

A valid concern and you're probably right but he may change his mind after seeing their ballot support.

 

[StormC]

You know, for all the limitations it put on the game, I'm extremely pleased with the 3DS version and I'm glad they made it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You know, for all the limitations it put on the game, I'm extremely pleased with the 3DS version and I'm glad they made it.

The limitations did this: Cut IC (I miss them but didn't like them) and split transforming characters. I'm very happy Zelda and Sheik are separated, even though I'm decent at Zelda now

 

[Chandeelure]

Care to elaborate? I notice you tend to say something isn't happening and leave it at that.

An explanation isn't happening.

 

[Kenith]

Also, in regards to Petey Piranha, he is probably my favorite boss in the SSE, it would be cool if they had a Boss Rush with him or a Super Mario Sunshine stage with him as a hazard in Smash 4.
Hopefully he'd have a bit more personality though.

 

[StormC]

The limitations did this: Cut IC (I miss them but didn't like them) and split transforming characters.

Don't forget Dedede and Olimar having their movesets changed, among limiting other potential characters (Chorus Kids?).

 

[Alph Aran]

For what it's worth, I'd jokingly like the Inkling reveal trailer to start out like this:

A veteran/newcomer character is using some kind of ranged weapon to scope out the competition. He/She finds the Inkling aiming at him/her. They initially fire at each other.

Then standard Smash stuff happens after that. Scenario in trailer can be given to another character if preferred.

 

[Kenith]

I think the ink could work. It's just a 2D sprite laid and stretched over the ground, after all.
You know it'd be cool if Inkling's stage entrance had them create a small ink pool around them. That way they don't have to start completely vulnerable.

 

[BluePikmin11]

You have proof that it's a sprite?

 

[Kenith]

You have proof that it's a sprite?

Why wouldn't it be a sprite?

 

[BKupa666]

I wouldn't rule out Inklings, but I think they'd need to get a big chunk of votes. Just like with all the third party, Xenoblade and Animal Crossing costumes, it wouldn't surprise me if the team thought they were sufficiently "representing" characters through this format, and votes might be needed to override that.

 

[Deleted member]

I personally wouldn't place a bet on them. But that's just me.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

One thing I'd like for Mii Fighters is an "Effects" so I could put an ability on them, like Multi Jump or Tether Grab or Float and an Element
You could only have one Ability at a time of course and with Elements, you can put say, an electrical effect on certain moves or Ice or... water?

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I at least need a separate thing for wings

I cannot accurately make my Fairy dude if there's no wings dammit!!
Yes I AM also using this as an excuse to show off some of my stuff

 

[kylexv]

No post in an hour?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

No post in an hour?

Too busy ranting about MN9 being a scam

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Too busy ranting about MN9 being a scam

Eh, I could believe that

 

[Bowserlick]

Simon Belmont and/or Bomberman for third-party. (Scorpion would be cool)

King K. Rool seems highly probable.

Isaac is a possibility. I wonder why he was left out as an AT this time around. I bet he has a planned moveset.

Wolf might take less time and has demand.

 

[StormC]

Isaac is a possibility. I wonder why he was left out as an AT this time around. I bet he has a planned moveset.

So does Barbara The Bat, right?

If we just get Wolf and K. Rool I'd be content, but obviously I'd like more characters than less.

 

[Deleted member]

The only scrapped Assists that have an obvious excuse are Little Mac (because he's playable now) and Gray Fox (because Snake's gone).

Isaac is just one of 7 others that have unknown reasoning.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Care to elaborate? I notice you tend to say something isn't happening and leave it at that.

1. Too early. Splatoon was only just released THIS YEAR. No matter how popular it is right now, the fact remains that it's the first game in an entirely new series and was released six months after SSB4. And don't try comparing this to Roy or anything - While his game was released after Melee, his series already had 5 installments and was getting another character anyway.
2. Since it's a new series, it has no content in SSB4 (besides the DLC stuff), meaning they'd have to A. Throw in the characters despite the complete lack of other representation. or B. Go to ridiculous lengths for a single character by creating items, trophies etc. This is different from Ryu, who's a 3rd party character and doesn't need that much content in the first place.
3. Splatoon has already received representation in the form of the DLC Mii costumes and Trophies, which to me seems like their way of saying "Look, you're not getting the Inklings this time, but here's at least something".
4. 3DS limitations, which could very well hinder any sort of unique ink mechanic.
5. There are other popular choices for which the following problems do not apply, making it unlikely that Inklings would "cut in line".

And honestly, don't you think that adding them in Smash 5 - when they most definitely have at least one other game and semi-iconic status - with a great stage, items, trophies, music remixes and everything would be better than a half-hearted DLC addition now?

 

[StormC]

2. Since it's a new series, it has no content in SSB4 (besides the DLC stuff), meaning they'd have to A. Throw in the characters despite the complete lack of other representation. or B. Go to ridiculous lengths for a single character by creating items, trophies etc. This is different from Ryu, who's a 3rd party character and doesn't need that much content in the first place.

Why would they need items? There are tons of Nintendo series in Smash without items.

 

[A Distant Demon]

And honestly, don't you think that adding them in Smash 5 - when they most definitely have at least one other game and semi-iconic status - with a great stage, items, trophies, music remixes and everything would be better than a half-hearted DLC addition now?

im going to ignore everything else and just give you a no to this part.

I dont konw if any fan would want to tempt fate and wait for the next game if they had the option to do it now. Better a guarantee now than risk it for later when who knows what could happen to the ip



Unrelated but here is a moveset for Wonder red
Wonder red

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Entrance.​

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Neutral special -Unite Gunan be charaged, but the charge cannot be held (greninja neutral B). has 3 charge levels

basic--> rapid fire--> super scope
basic: a regular shot
rapid fire: fires 3 shots like in unite stinger.
Super scope: fires a high damage explosive shot

Custom neutral 1: no charging but higher damage and reduced endlag
custom neutral 2: much faster charge but lower damage. super scope does not explode
side specials are all different unites/unifies
red throws a unite morph forward at a low range. will fall if there is no platform below it (to prevent edgeguarding)

the first 2 work like ROB's gyro and remain in place after being thrown. hit multiple times instead of once
Side special 1-claws. freezes at higher %

Side special 2- naginata cant freeze but reflects projectiles and does high damage at the tips
3 however does not stay in place
Side special 3 -Voomerang. Vorkens boomerang. moves forward normally but then comes back.
Down special- Unite Spring: spring in a direction dealing damage and becoming immune. second use becomes Unite Ball works similar to wario's bike but very little damage or knockback but you also take very little damage or knockback.

Custom down 1 leaves lingering hitbox after the special ends. No ball and larger endlag

Custom down 2 spring is slower and does more damage. ball becomes spiked and increases damage but does not give resistanec buffs.

Up special: Unite Glider- look at the graph of Cos(x) on the interval [2.5,2*pi] deals damage and rises after a short fall

has generic recovery customs. highre damage less height and the opposite
Jab writes itself.
ftilt- a 2 punch combo
up tilt: a double claw swipe

Down tilt- claw swipe with both claws. Starts with claws together than swipes outward.

Up air -spins gun cowboy style then fires a shot. (During spin the gun has a hitbox) shot is a projectile
Down air- uses the hammer and slams down. the hammer itself does the highest damage and breaks shield but red does have a hitbox as well.
Fair- quick aerial punch combo. Gives horizontal movement
Nair - wonderful rising sword. holds sword out while doing flips. multi-hit

Bair- slashes with the sword behind him horizontally. very small vertical hitbox but decent damage
Dash attack- wonderful stinger for hand

Down smash-wondeful cyclone for hand

F smash- a brutal punch. Think mii brawlers forward smash.

Up smash- unite rocket. More charge is more height
grab is unite whip. has a tether

grab pummel​

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Down throw- uses unite drill on an opponent lying down. breaks shield of other enemies (like ryu's up throw)
alternatively uses whip and slaps them while they are down
Up throw wonder rising
forward throw- thrust with the hammer into a baseball style swing

back throw- pushes them behind him before smashing him with hammer
Final smash- engage unlimited form! All morphs become larger increasing the hitbox and damage. Up air becomes the super scope for all shots and fires an explosive shot. While dashing, rainbows follow

i think it could definitely have a little more love for Unite sword and whip but for the most part im good with this moveset.

EDIT i have no idea what just happened with the spoilers.

Phone is at 1% so i cant fix. RIP battery

 

[StormC]

Spoilers get messed up with fonts and images. I learned that the hard way editing my top ten list the other day.

 

[Kenith]

1. Too early. Splatoon was only just released THIS YEAR. No matter how popular it is right now, the fact remains that it's the first game in an entirely new series and was released six months after SSB4. And don't try comparing this to Roy or anything - While his game was released after Melee, his series already had 5 installments and was getting another character anyway.
2. Since it's a new series, it has no content in SSB4 (besides the DLC stuff), meaning they'd have to A. Throw in the characters despite the complete lack of other representation. or B. Go to ridiculous lengths for a single character by creating items, trophies etc. This is different from Ryu, who's a 3rd party character and doesn't need that much content in the first place.
3. Splatoon has already received representation in the form of the DLC Mii costumes and Trophies, which to me seems like their way of saying "Look, you're not getting the Inklings this time, but here's at least something".
4. 3DS limitations, which could very well hinder any sort of unique ink mechanic.
5. There are other popular choices for which the following problems do not apply, making it unlikely that Inklings would "cut in line".

And honestly, don't you think that adding them in Smash 5 - when they most definitely have at least one other game and semi-iconic status - with a great stage, items, trophies, music remixes and everything would be better than a half-hearted DLC addition now?

Good. I mean, I strongly disagree with the contents of this post, but you did give an explanation.

 

[AncientTobacco]

im going to ignore everything else and just give you a no to this part.

I dont konw if any fan would want to tempt fate and wait for the next game if they had the option to do it now. Better a guarantee now than risk it for later when who knows what could happen to the ip

If they can't withstand even the shortest test of time, then they shouldn't be included in the first place.

Also, Metroid is doing relatively fine. If you want a real example of an IP in limbo, try F-Zero.

 

[Champ Gold]

If they can't withstand even the shortest test of time, then they shouldn't be included in the first place.

Also, Metroid is doing relatively fine. If you want a real example of an IP in limbo, try F-Zero.

F-Zero's problem is finding a suitable developer for the series. AM2 is dead (guys who made GX), Criterion turned them down, Sumo (who did Sonic All-Stars Racing Transformed) probably is their best option and that's doubtful.


There isn't a lot of devs out there who's experienced enough with racers and even racing games in F-Zero's calibur, it's why spin-offs would help the series more than Metroid.

At lest it gets the series out. But if you want a true dormant Nintendo series, . No matter if you hate Wii Fit, after how the Wii U game bombed, it's not getting another game and it's pretty much retired as a true Smash fodder

 

[BluePikmin11]

 

[Bowserlick]

The only scrapped Assists that have an obvious excuse are Little Mac (because he's playable now) and Gray Fox (because Snake's gone).

Isaac is just one of 7 others that have unknown reasoning.

Obvious, sure.

But Isaac is high in all polls and Sakurai did mention that characters would be based on fan-service (to paraphrase).

Sakurai could have known that he was popular, but had many characters he wanted to put in the game first for various reasons. Now Sakurai's reason seems to be popularity and Isaac is one of the bigger first-party contenders in that regard.

I wonder if Sakurai pulled him out just in case DLC's became a thing. We will see.

 

[Deleted member]

That's a stretch, to be honest.

While he could be DLC, I can't fathom Sakurai deliberately leaving him out as an Assist on the basis that DLC after the game is released was possible.

 

[Bowserlick]

I am fairly certain he knew he was going to do DLC.

He did state that the team was going to see how Mewtwo sold, but they were obviously working on Lucas, Roy, and Ryu at that time.

 

[Deleted member]

The only scrapped Assists that have an obvious excuse are Little Mac (because he's playable now) and Gray Fox (because Snake's gone).

Isaac is just one of 7 others that have unknown reasoning.

I think part of the reason why Isaac got cut as an Assist Trophy is because Sakurai doesn't care about Golden Sun, given that he kept Saki despite the franchise being in even worse shape than Golden Sun at the moment.

I think a lot of people are overestimating Isaac's chances of becoming DLC. If there are only two more characters left as DLC (and it could be), Isaac's chances are dead in the water because I can't see a scenario where he gets in over Wolf and King K. Rool (who himself is not a shoe-in). Even if there are more characters, Isaac has to deal with a lot of competition for that remaining one or two spot.