Character Discussion Thread

[mark welford]

Well you know considering they were the first to be shown in Brawl, the Melee opening, the SSB4 trailer (when going into the 3DS) , and are the ones in the Mega Man trailer, I would consider them to be the main characters of Smash Bros.

Sonic should never be at that level in the smash universe.



He's a guest! Guests should only get one character.




I'd like to retract that statement, since I miscalculated.

well I guess by now you do not know how sakurai thinks or works he does not care about all that

 

[pupNapoleon]

well it would not be a stretch to say that sonic ... has more popularity than ... pokemon

Not just a stretch, it would be wrong. I'm going to quote myself.

Me too, it is a shame when Sales dictate the system eh?

If that is not enough, here is a list of other things Pokemon has going for it:
-Easy translation into smash fighters
-Huge marketing capabilities (to draw in more fans, as well as by Game Freak, seen to get Smash fans into Pokemon)
-Vast Empire (Manga, TV, Movies, Trading Cards, Figures, Apps, Clothing, Merchandise beyond compare)
-800+ extremely diverse characters
-20 Years of history
-Worldwide Popularity
-Many types of characters it could represent beyond the basic Pokemon (trainers, rangers, breeders, coordinators, etc)
-Much in the main games to represent (abilities, items, weather and battlefield, double/triple/horde batles, typing, gender, contests, sports competitions, happiness, personality, trading, evolution-all different ways- etc)
-Multitude of types of games to choose from (Main RPG, Ranger, Mystery Dungeon, Snap, Pinball, Trozei, Puzzle League, Coliseum, ... the list is endless)

Sales are not the only factor. Popularity, Size, History, Impact, Relevance, Recency, Diversity, Adaptability, Growth.
Pokemon is unlike ANY other video game franchise, because it is far more than a video game franchise- it is studied on global economic trends as a phenomenon which is still not fully understood on a consumer trend and has not been replicated to this day.

How many reps does it deserve? Well, a good number. It is certainly on a scale to be evaluated separately from all other franchises as it is in a category all its own. A Pokemon added will appeal to a huge audience, regardless of which it is- an audience likely bigger than another given character added. I would not be surprised if it got more than six representatives, not surprised in the slightest, and it would be more than warranted, it would be earned.

 

[mark welford]

Not just a stretch, it would be wrong. I'm going to quote myself.

your just being biased I see right through it

 

[pupNapoleon]

your just being biased I see right through it

I absolutely have a bias towards Pokemon, no doubt about it.
That does not mean that it is not more popular than Sonic.

But given that I've read more than one of your posts, have seen the lack of care in your responses, and am anticipating not even a shred that you will attempt to back up your argument.

 

[The Light Music Club]

well I guess by now you do not know how sakurai thinks or works he does not care about all that

Not an exact quote, but Sakurai said he wasn't gonna just add any character from another company, makes me think if you're not that company's mascot, you're not in the game.

 

[Turokman5896]

I'm not the only one who thinks we are in dire need of villains right? Bowser is really the only villain in the game so far (dedede is always that evil). Even with meta, wario, and Ganon, that only makes five villains. I think it's too few for sure

 

[mark welford]

I absolutely have a bias towards Pokemon, no doubt about it.
That does not mean that it is not more popular than Sonic.

But given that I've read more than one of your posts, have seen the lack of care in your responses, and am anticipating not even a shred that you will attempt to back up your argument.

way more people know who sonic is and look at yourself your a grown man in a pokemon costume

 

[pupNapoleon]

way more people know who sonic is and look at yourself your a grown man in a pokemon costume

Pikachu or Sonic?
Eh, not entirely.
And knowledge of the franchise mascot alone does not in the slightest bit dictate which is more popular.
In fact awareness alone does not equate to popularity at all. Hitler is infamous, very well known. I would not say he is popular in 2014.

Yep, grown man in a Pokemon costume *avatar*. I've got the most AMAZING halloween story from it too. Any fan that wants to ask me about it needs to some time, because it is actually unbelievable.

I'm not the only one who thinks we are in dire need of villains right? Bowser is really the only villain in the game so far (dedede is always that evil). Even with meta, wario, and Ganon, that only makes five villains. I think it's too few for sure

Nope; you have seen the public statements for a 'villains trailer,' no? They are wanted. They are needed.
It is honestly almost making me believe in these boss battles as characters.

 

[mark welford]

I'm not the only one who thinks we are in dire need of villains right? Bowser is really the only villain in the game so far (dedede is always that evil). Even with meta, wario, and Ganon, that only makes five villains. I think it's too few for sure

no you are not we have more females than villains where is wario, ganondorf and wolf

 

[Turokman5896]

way more people know who sonic is and look at yourself your a grown man in a pokemon costume

Yea sonic is a name everyone knows. I can show my family a picture of sonic and they'll say "that's sonic the hedgehog!"

Pikachu or Sonic?
Eh, not entirely.
And knowledge of the franchise mascot alone does not in the slightest bit dictate which is more popular.
In fact awareness alone does not equate to popularity at all. Hitler is infamous, very well known. I would not say he is popular in 2014.

Yep, grown man in a Pokemon costume *avatar*. I've got the most AMAZING halloween story from it too. Any fan that wants to ask me about it needs to some time, because it is actually unbelievable.

Sonic is definitely on another level. Everyone from kids to elderly know sonic the hedgehog. Pokemon games may sell more, rate higher, etc. but sonic the character is extremely popular. That said, this is entirely irrelevant and we should be talking about how smash 4 is villain malnutritioned

 

[mark welford]

Yea sonic is a name everyone knows. I can show my family a picture of sonic and they'll say "that's sonic the hedgehog!"

Sonic is definitely on another level. Everyone from kids to elderly know sonic the hedgehog. Pokemon games may sell more, rate higher, etc. but sonic the character is extremely popular. That said, this is entirely irrelevant and we should be talking about how smash 4 is villain malnutritioned

thank you you sir are right and I call wolf's name at night and get no answer and I cry

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Aww ****, did Takamaru get deconfirmed?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Welp, Takamaru is done bruhs. New grave at the Graveyard thread. REPENT. THE END IS NIGH!!!

 

[~Krystal~]

Aww ****, did Takamaru get deconfirmed?

What's brought about this question? Was there an even that hinted at his deconfirmation?

 

[DarrylTrainer]

Yea sonic is a name everyone knows. I can show my family a picture of sonic and they'll say "that's sonic the hedgehog!"

Sonic is definitely on another level. Everyone from kids to elderly know sonic the hedgehog. Pokemon games may sell more, rate higher, etc. but sonic the character is extremely popular. That said, this is entirely irrelevant and we should be talking about how smash 4 is villain malnutritioned

Pikachu is a way more recognizable character than Sonic. Everyone I know (including elders and toddlers) know who Pikachu is. Meanwhile, I'll be wearing a Sonic or a Link shirt and they say the have no clue who they are. So many times, that has happened. Of course, I look at them like they're stupid because they're extremely popular characters, but not more than Pikachu. The only one more recognizable is Mario, bias or not.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

What's brought about this question? Was there an even that hinted at his deconfirmation?

Yes, look at the site and you'll see a picture of him with Link

His model looks badass though

 

[~Krystal~]

Yes, look at the site and you'll see a picture of him with Link

His model looks badass though

Ah, thank you. It does look good. Too bad for the fans, though. A blow like this is never a pleasant feeling.

 

[Scamper52596]

I can already tell that the Boards aren't going to be too happy about this...

 

[mark welford]

Pikachu is a way more recognizable character than Sonic. Everyone I know (including elders and toddlers) know who Pikachu is. Meanwhile, I'll be wearing a Sonic or a Link shirt and they say the have no clue who they are. So many times, that has happened. Of course, I look at them like they're stupid because they're extremely popular characters, but not more than Pikachu. The only one more recognizable is Mario, bias or not.

all I have to say is age comes with recognition I can show my grandma a picture of sonic she'll know who he is

 

[pupNapoleon]

Aww ****, did Takamaru get deconfirmed?

Looks like it.

I still have a theory at least one AT will start as an AT and then upgrade during the game, just to be that much more surprising.

 

[Hot Uncle Sparky]

Even though I didn't want Takamaru, this still hurts me... I wanted Pipe Burst to be the real deal; playable bosses!

 

[mark welford]

im not gonna act like I know anything about him but he looks awesome

 

[~Krystal~]

Looks like it.

I still have a theory at least one AT will start as an AT and then upgrade during the game, just to be that much more surprising.

My jaw would drop if something that extravagant happened. It would be an entrance to remember, that's for sure.

 

[The Light Music Club]

That leaves room for a chance for one of my retro wants to get a shot!

Good for fans he gets some representation though!

 

[mark welford]

this is a happy and sad day for his fans he gets the nod and recognition but his fans wanted more wanted his playability

 

[Rockaphin]

I honestly didn't have much of an interest in Takamaru. I never played the game nor do I really like the inclusion of region exclusive characters. I think he's getting a US VC release though, but anyway I'm sorry to all those who really supported him.

Now I'm feeling a little more confident about Mach Rider! *crosses fingers*

 

[mark welford]

this might be off topic but I just noticed that the number font on the villager's shirt is kinda in bulls font.
tell them d.rose we want wolf

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

The only newcomers left that I'm expecting are Shulk and a Rhythm Heaven character, so disconfirmations like this are a lot less painful to go through since I'm expecting it.

Spoiler

I don't think I'll ever be ready for a King K. Rool disconfirmation though

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Looks like it.

I still have a theory at least one AT will start as an AT and then upgrade during the game, just to be that much more surprising.

That probably wouldn't happen. Why waste the development time on two separate positions for one character when you can just make him playable? That doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Now the world's smallest violin solo for the most popular choice for a retro newcomer.

 

[pupNapoleon]

That probably wouldn't happen. Why waste the development time on two separate positions for one character when you can just make him playable? That doesn't make much sense to me.

because

My jaw would drop if something that extravagant happened. It would be an entrance to remember, that's for sure.

Shock value.
I think once promoted AT becomes playable, it would be replaced with a different character as its functioning AT.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Man....Takamaru was one of the bigger wanted characters and he was just deconfirmed that quickly....another one bites the dust.

I'm scared for my Bandana Dee.

 

[Pizzanigs]

Man, if this ever happened to K. Rool, I don't know what I'd do.

 

[Sebz]

Sorry for all Takamaru supporters...
BUT MACH RIDER'S STILL GOT A CHANCE BABEEEEEEEEEH!!!

 

[GamerGuy09]

Man, if this ever happened to K. Rool, I don't know what I'd do.

Same for Bandana Dee for me. You might think his support is small, but he is the 4th most talked about newcomer on the boards. Behind Ridley, Shulk, and your King.

It makes me scared.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

because



Shock value.
I think once promoted AT becomes playable, it would be replaced with a different character as its functioning AT.

...but why? What character is so worth the shock value to waste valuable development time to do that? What makes Takamaru so special that they would do that? This isn't Sonic levels of popularity. This is a retro character that most people don't even know about if Miiverse is any indication.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Man......I'm scared for Bandana Dee.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I am unsure- the main page has been strange all day the past few days.
Suddenly now the characters, who were already all shrunken down to be tiny sizes each, now have an entirely different color and the 'warning' sign in bold for new characters.

Maybe they really did just reveal him poorly.

...but why? What character is so worth the shock value to waste valuable development time to do that? What makes Takamaru so special that they would do that? This isn't Sonic levels of popularity. This is a retro character that most people don't even know about if Miiverse is any indication.

I never said for Takamaru.

And it would not be wasting development time if the character were then taken over by another AT *as if it were a skin, which for certain other characters could just be a model rip*

 

[domokl]

Brace yourself for disconfirmation week guys. just like stage week it will be a ride.

 

[~Krystal~]

I'm a bit worried about Duck Hunt Dog now. Even though he's on the lower end of my requested characters list, his deconfirmation would still be big let down for me. My body would be ready, but my mind would be shattered. He just makes 45 flavors of sense as a retro addition.