Character Discussion Thread

[Deleted member]

Yeah, if you want a monstrosity, here you go:

It's also clearly impossible at this point, so you can all rest easy.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Yeah, if you want a monstrosity, here you go:

It's also clearly impossible at this point, so you can all rest easy.

That Fox cut, though. Slippy over Krystal would be the greatest troll move ever. I'd be so happy.

 

[JamesDNaux]

James, you've done excuses to Little Mac and Mii before they were confirmed, two of the most obvious newcomers that are in Smash 4 now, why can't you see the Sneaky Spirits as evidence that RH character is in.

I actually proposed multiple ideas for Miis before their reveal, and I was pretty damn close on the mark. Customize-able right out of the box, separate from the rest of the roster, not available to use online (unless with friends), the Mii you chose will have an effect on playstyle (short/tall Miis), and different moves from other characters being incorporated in some form. Pretty much the only thing I didn't guess was that there would be three different classes (swordsman/gunner/brawler), so I was nearly spot on that time.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate in most cases. I was neither for or against Mac, but I was wrong on some assumptions.
Though Mac had far more going for him than these guys do.

 

[Khoru]

Yeah, if you want a monstrosity, here you go:

It's also clearly impossible at this point, so you can all rest easy.

oh my god every meguca is here
i'm crying

 

[SuperBrawler]

Tepig2000

We all know Slippy + Panther + Leon = win.

 

[Deleted member]

That Fox cut, though. Slippy over Krystal would be the greatest troll move ever. I'd be so happy.

I would drink so many tears. I actually like Slippy, but that's mainly because I like frogs in general.

oh my god every meguca is here
i'm crying

Being in Smash = small compensation for suffering, no?

And by the way, Ridley is a Falco clone based on a Brawl hack that plops Ridley's head and wings on Falco's body.

 

[MasterDoom1666]

75 is a lot, so it probably won't happen till Smash Bros 6 or something.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't hate Rhythm Heaven, I actually quite like your Wrestler/Reporter idea, it'd be nice to see.

Oh. Thanks.

I admit that I am biased against the Chorus Men, they remind me of the Rabbids, those annoying hell spawns who can go shove a...

I'm surprised no one's made a correlation between the two on the screaming aspect to be honest.
Though at the same time, that (obviously fake) roster had Marshal as opposed to the Chorus Kids. Which would render the point about being "a random guy that no one would have thought of until he appeared on a seemingly real leak that ended up being false" unlike Snake to be invalid, since not only was Marshal not on the Gematsu leak, but he even had his own thread months prior to the Chorus Kids being part of Gematsu.

As I've stated before, and above, I think people are really clinging to those Sneaky Spirits like some sort of lifeline. It's the same kind of straw grasping as the Krystal supporters jumping at the Assault stage and thinking it somehow thinking it means she's in.

Not the same. At all.
The Star Fox stage holds absolutely no power towards Krystal. It's just a generic stage with no specific connection to anyone. The stage holds the same amount of power towards Krystal specifically as it does to Falco specifically, Wolf specifically, or even Slippy specifically. As in it has no bearings on any of them.

The Sneaky Spirits being enemies in Smash Run? Considering that every other non-Smash original enemy thus far are connected to series that feature at least one character (yes, Find Mii counts due to being connected to Miis), it stands to reason that Rhythm Heaven is to have a character of its own join the battle.

Of course, yes there is no RH character, so it's not quite the same to compare it to Krystal... But I've made this point many times; if the ducks from Duck Hunt show up in Smash Run, does that mean that Duck Hunt Dog is in? Etc. There has been no definitive statement of "Enemies in Smash Run are only chosen from franchises that have playable character representation."

If the Ducks were for some reason enemies in Smash Run, then yes, it would imply Duck Hunt Dog would be playable.
Only if something ridiculous like Mr. Froggins or a Nanocarp being enemies (since Nintendogs will never have a playable character and Electroplankton doesn't have any viable options for a character) would kill the logic outright.

 

[MasterDoom1666]

Dark Pit would be interesting, if nothing else.

 

[epicgordan]

I'm not sure how many of you noticed this, but the Challenger Approaching banners were taken down on the official website. So could that mean that one of those special surprises really will include a newcomer trailer? I'm predicting Shulk, Ness, and Meta Knight, though it's also possible that we'll see Chorus Kids, Wario, and Ness--however, I'd lean more towards the former. Either way, I reckon that we'll get Ness regardless.

 

[JamesDNaux]

@GoldenYuiitusin

This is exactly what I mentioned I like to see, rather than multiple people coming along, just mentioning the Sneaky Spirit and leaving it at that, you actually take the time to back up your arguments, while you also consider the alternate possibilities as well. The former being my main issue, as it's becoming redundant by this point. I agree with all the points you've made and I'm glad you saw through the Krystal ruse and tore it apart as expected. While I'm still not completely sold on a RH rep quite yet, the possibility is still very strong and I'm prepared for it. I still hope it won't be the Chorus Men, at any rate.

 

[skylanders fan]

I'm not sure how many of you noticed this, but the Challenger Approaching banners were taken down on the official website. So could that mean that one of those special surprises really will include a newcomer trailer? I'm predicting Shulk, Ness, and Meta Knight, though it's also possible that we'll see Chorus Kids, Wario, and Ness--however, I'd lean more towards the former. Either way, I reckon that we'll get Ness regardless.

i could see a ness mewtwo and shulk or if they wanna add tons of hype ridley mewtwo and king k rool this is the last major event it will be in till the japan release day

 

[CrusherMania1592]

How would you would react if this was the final roster, it's based on a somewhat believable leak we found on the Leaks group.

Only ones I'd disagree with are Doc and DHD. Everyone else seems to fit the roster. However, the lack of Lucas and Wolf are VERY disturbing. If Lucina made it in as a clone, I don't see how Lucas and Wolf will get the boot. Also, where the **** are the Ice Climbers?!?

Lack of K Rool and Ridley is somewhat disturbing here as well.

8/10

I'm not sure how many of you noticed this, but the Challenger Approaching banners were taken down on the official website. So could that mean that one of those special surprises really will include a newcomer trailer? I'm predicting Shulk, Ness, and Meta Knight, though it's also possible that we'll see Chorus Kids, Wario, and Ness--however, I'd lean more towards the former. Either way, I reckon that we'll get Ness regardless.

We may be showing too many newcomers for starting roster more than unlockables right now. Wouldn't surprise me if we get another Brawl, which only four newcomers that are new, Snake, and Sonic while everyone else is veterans. Would be quite disappointed if we get more new starters than unlockables.

 

[BKupa666]

I still think we're getting Chorus Men, but what if the Smash Run enemies were drawn from franchises represented by stages, but not necessarily characters? It's a theory that can't necessarily be ruled out yet; the other known series that could possibly meet this fate don't have viable enemies to offer (Nintendogs, Pilotwings), and we haven't seen all of the enemies Smash Run has to offer anyway.

 

[MasterDoom1666]

King K Rool or Shulk would make more sense than Chorus Men (no offense to RH fans).

 

[ElPanandero]

No, he does not do that.

He uses his Bow, then separates it into two knives, but never uses them as a sword together (at least, not like I'm picturing)

I guess I'm not understanding what you're picturing

and @ Cobalsh if Plateuna didn't use magic and holy powers with here staff. Yea. It'd be generic. If all of her moves were variations of hitting with you a staff that'd be generic. No need to be prick about it

 

[epicgordan]

We may be showing too many newcomers for starting roster more than unlockables right now. Wouldn't surprise me if we get another Brawl, which only four newcomers that are new, Snake, and Sonic while everyone else is veterans. Would be quite disappointed if we get more new starters than unlockables.

It's okay. I reckon that five more newcomers + Mewtwo will remain hidden, while Shulk, Chorus Kids, Wario, Ice Climbers, Meta Knight/Falco, and Ness all get confirmed as starters. That means that I'm predicting Luigi, 8-Bit Mario, King K. Rool, Ganondorf, Ghirahim, Toon Link, Ridley, Dark Pit, ROB, Meta Knight/Falco, Wolf, [Lucario], Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Lucina, ?Lucas?, Mr. Game & Watch, Mega Man, Sonic, and Pac-Man will all be unlockable characters.

Lucas is dependent on getting in or not. Either way, I think it's a safe bet that so far, Luigi, Toon Link, Lucina, and the 3rd party reps are the sole exceptions when it comes to prematurely revealed hidden characters--and maybe Lucario too if Lucas does indeed return. I am predicting four more reveal trailers:

SDCC and August Direct will show Shulk, Meta Knight, and Ness, as well as Chorus Kids, Wario, and Ice Climbers in two separate trailers.

September 13th: Around Japanese launch day, I could see Sakurai releasing a villain's trailer.

October Direct: The final reveal trailer showing 8-Bit Mario, and possibly Mr. Game & Watch and ROB, too.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Yeah, if you want a monstrosity, here you go:

It's also clearly impossible at this point, so you can all rest easy.

Replace Politoed with Nidoking, Chrom with Micaiah and Pac-Man for an Idolmaster Character, and I'd be 100% for this.

And what's the point of an October direct? The game will already be 100% dissected by Japanese players by then.

 

[MasterDoom1666]

Why is everyone so confident about chorus kids/men?

 

[Knight Dude]

Yeah, if you want a monstrosity, here you go:

It's also clearly impossible at this point, so you can all rest easy.

It needs more Ghostly Adventures Pac-Man. Throw in Kung-Fu Cutman too.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Why is everyone so confident about chorus kids/men?

They think with the Sneaky Spirit that it points to a Rhythm Heaven character. A few people think Gematsu was only outdated and both leaks are probably still legit, meaning that it will probably be Chorus Men.

 

[JamesDNaux]

In regards to any character being revealed, these are my own personal opinions:

Best case scenario: Newcomer (possibly Takamaru?) with surprise appearance of Snake.
Second best case: Just Snake.
I'd also like to see: Ness.
Worst case: Goku revealed as newcomer.
What I'm expecting: Absolutely nothing.

 

[MasterDoom1666]

You know what would be a great character to add? Pikachu!!!!

*Laughs hysterically

 

[Deleted member]

It needs more Ghostly Adventures Pac-Man. Throw in Kung-Fu Cutman too.

I probably should have used Ghostly Adventures Pac-Man if I went with Bad Box Art Mega Man. Kung-Fu Cutman can replace Samus for no describable reason.

 

[MasterDoom1666]

R O B must return.

 

[The Light Music Club]

How would you would react if this was the final roster, it's based on a somewhat believable leak we found on the Leaks group.

What's will all the cuts?

0/10 I love Mewtwo and Dr. Mario. But I hate cuts. Hate em!

 

[Scamper52596]

My first roster...

I don't expect the real roster to be this big mind you, although I don't think it's impossible. I just thought since it was my first attempt at creating a roster, I would try to add some fan favorites while putting in some of my personal most wanted newcomers.

Is this the part where I prepare myself for the backlash?

 

[Silverjay323]

They think with the Sneaky Spirit that it points to a Rhythm Heaven character. A few people think Gematsu was only outdated and both leaks are probably still legit, meaning that it will probably be Chorus Men.

Hasn't Sakurai already confirmed that the Poppant(the food throwing guy idk if that's his actual name) from SSE makes an appearance in Smash Run? Doesn't that throw a wrench into the Enemy = Character theory? Or has this already been addressed?

 

[epicgordan]

My first roster...
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I don't expect the real roster to be this big mind you, although I don't think it's impossible. I just thought since it was my first attempt at creating a roster, I would try to add some fan favorites while putting in some of my personal most wanted newcomers.

Is this the part where I prepare myself for the backlash?

Replace Toon Zelda with Ghirahim (or any Skyward Sword rep of your choice), Paper Mario with 8-Bit Mario, and then add Dark Pit, and this list will be good to go. Don't worry; all you need to do is merge the Mii Fighters into the Random slot if you want to keep the roster as is.

Hasn't Sakurai already confirmed that the Poppant(the food throwing guy idk if that's his actual name) from SSE makes an appearance in Smash Run? Doesn't that throw a wrench into the Enemy = Character theory? Or has this already been addressed?

They're an exception because they represent Smash Brothers as a whole. Unless, of course, Sakurai's thinking about taking us by surprise and making Tabbuu a playable character.

 

[Cobalsh]

I guess I'm not understanding what you're picturing

and @ Cobalsh if Plateuna didn't use magic and holy powers with here staff. Yea. It'd be generic. If all of her moves were variations of hitting with you a staff that'd be generic. No need to be prick about it

The staff also has elemental powers, so you're missing facts as well.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Hasn't Sakurai already confirmed that the Poppant(the food throwing guy idk if that's his actual name) from SSE makes an appearance in Smash Run? Doesn't that throw a wrench into the Enemy = Character theory? Or has this already been addressed?

As already said they're considered an exception since they didn't originate outside of Smash Bros. It's not at all weird to see them in smash run.

If you want to get technical though the Mii Fighter has the Smash Bros logo, so they could be said to be representing Smash Bros.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Hasn't Sakurai already confirmed that the Poppant(the food throwing guy idk if that's his actual name) from SSE makes an appearance in Smash Run? Doesn't that throw a wrench into the Enemy = Character theory? Or has this already been addressed?

Personally, I didn't think it meant much to begin with, as Rayman has a trophy and I'm quite sure he's not in the game. Maybe RH get's an AT or something so they decided to include enemies for the series. It could mean anything really.

 

[RouffWestie]

My first roster...
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I don't expect the real roster to be this big mind you, although I don't think it's impossible. I just thought since it was my first attempt at creating a roster, I would try to add some fan favorites while putting in some of my personal most wanted newcomers.

Is this the part where I prepare myself for the backlash?

I like it for those rarely predicted characters - Paper Mario, Toon Zelda, and Bandana Dee.
It's a mystery why more people don't predict Bandana Dee. I think he still has a good chance at making it in.

 

[Oddliestotter]

Regardless of the beautiful Great Fox that we get to enjoy when the game comes out , I think a staff fighter is coming, whether it be Krystal or Bowser Jr. or someone else. It wouldn't be a whole new fighting style but it'd be different enough to make a statement!

In addition to Palutena!

 

[Second Power]

Hasn't Sakurai already confirmed that the Poppant(the food throwing guy idk if that's his actual name) from SSE makes an appearance in Smash Run? Doesn't that throw a wrench into the Enemy = Character theory? Or has this already been addressed?

ROB is a smash character, I don't care if they give him a different icon.

Joking tone, completely serious about the content.

 

[Burruni]

Bleh.
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Have a go at this monstrosity. I have an alternative 55-slot roster with the addition of Dixie, Duck Hunt Dog, and Ridley, but I thought there were too many characters, so I cut those three.

The only real change I would make to this would be swapping Chorus Men for Marshall because as a fighter I personally believe he works better. Otherwise, this has more water to be the true roster than most others I see floating around this site. I have my lingering doubt of Mewtwo Striking Back... but I wouldn't exactly be shocked. While I'd prefer is slot go to Bandanna Dee for personal reasons, I'm pretty much all for this!

 

[KageJuin]

My first roster...
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I don't expect the real roster to be this big mind you, although I don't think it's impossible. I just thought since it was my first attempt at creating a roster, I would try to add some fan favorites while putting in some of my personal most wanted newcomers.

Is this the part where I prepare myself for the backlash?

I think cranky could replace dixie, seeing as he is kind of the original DK?
If dixie is added in the same vain as Lucina, that would be cool too.

Man.. I wish the game would come out yesterday.

 

[Zzuxon]

My first roster...
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I don't expect the real roster to be this big mind you, although I don't think it's impossible. I just thought since it was my first attempt at creating a roster, I would try to add some fan favorites while putting in some of my personal most wanted newcomers.

Is this the part where I prepare myself for the backlash?

This roster is really good and solid for a first attempt. Only a few notable problems:
Toon Zelda: There are far better zelda reps. I'd recommend Vaati, Impa or Ganon(Ganondorf's Pig Form), or even making that into a new series newcomer.
Star Fox doesn't warrant 4 characters, I'd replace either Wolf or Krystal with a different character, ideally a new series rep. The same applies to Black Shadow, but to a lesser extent.
Who would I recommend as new series newcomers? I'd recommend Andy from advance Wars, Isaac from Golden Sun, and/or Ray from Custom Robo, in that order.

 

[Scamper52596]

Replace Toon Zelda with Ghirahim (or any Skyward Sword rep of your choice), Paper Mario with 8-Bit Mario, and then add Dark Pit, and this list will be good to go. Don't worry; all you need to do is merge the Mii Fighters into the Random slot if you want to keep the roster as is.



They're an exception because they represent Smash Brothers as a whole. Unless, of course, Sakurai's thinking about taking us by surprise and making Tabbuu a playable character.

Congratulations on being the first to comment on my first roster. I'm not exactly sure if that means anything to you, but I'll congratulate you anyway.

Like I told you a couple nights ago, I think Ghirahim has almost no chance of becoming playable due to him not being able to represent the Zelda series very well. He would, in essence, be representing one game rather than representing the entire franchise. Think back to Brawl when Twilight Princess was still new. We got a TP stage and updated character models, but no TP character. I believe that this time we're only getting a Skyward Sword stage with updated Zelda items, along with a couple new ones. Impa could work to represent more of the franchise, but if they chose the SS model, she would, like Ghirahim, be representing one game. Unless of course her OoT model was an alt costume, but I don't see that happening. Every other Zelda game she is either very old, or nonexistent. Toon Zelda can easily represent an entire third of the franchise, given that about a third of the Zelda games were created in that art style, and even more games featured Zelda as a child along with Link. And considering Toon Zelda is in my top two most wanted newcomers could mean that I'm biased. Not sure. I guess we just have different thoughts as to how characters get picked to be playable in Smash.

I see you mentioning 8-Bit Mario quite a bit. That was an awful pun... I'm not against the idea at all, and I have to say that I am interested in how such a character could work. Do you think he would be a clone, or have an original move set based on the NES games? I would like to see you elaborate a little more on your vision of that character.

I don't really see Dark Pit happening, but at the same time, I don't think it's impossible. I just think he's going to be an alt or a boss character on the Palutena stage. Dark Pit is still a big mystery for us, but there have been plenty of Dark Pit conversations here already. Let's just see what happens.

 

[Oddliestotter]

Congratulations on being the first to comment on my first roster. I'm not exactly sure if that means anything to you, but I'll congratulate you anyway.

Like I told you a couple nights ago, I think Ghirahim has almost no chance of becoming playable due to him not being able to represent the Zelda series very well. He would, in essence, be representing one game rather than representing the entire franchise. Think back to Brawl when Twilight Princess was still new. We got a TP stage and updated character models, but no TP character. I believe that this time we're only getting a Skyward Sword stage with updated Zelda items, along with a couple new ones. Impa could work to represent more of the franchise, but if they chose the SS model, she would, like Ghirahim, be representing one game. Unless of course her OoT model was an alt costume, but I don't see that happening. Every other Zelda game she is either very old, or nonexistent. Toon Zelda can easily represent an entire third of the franchise, given that about a third of the Zelda games were created in that art style, and even more games featured Zelda as a child along with Link. And considering Toon Zelda is in my top two most wanted newcomers could mean that I'm biased. Not sure. I guess we just have different thoughts as to how characters get picked to be playable in Smash.

I see you mentioning 8-Bit Mario quite a bit. That was an awful pun... I'm not against the idea at all, and I have to say that I am interested in how such a character could work. Do you think he would be a clone, or have an original move set based on the NES games? I would like to see you elaborate a little more on your vision of that character.

I don't really see Dark Pit happening, but at the same time, I don't think it's impossible. I just think he's going to be an alt or a boss character on the Palutena stage. Dark Pit is still a big mystery for us, but there have been plenty of Dark Pit conversations here already. Let's just see what happens.

Agree with your opinion on Ghirahim, although I don't think it's impossible for him to join as he's a different style from all the other characters.

For Dark Pit, I feel he won't be in this game as an individual fighter but will make an appearance as an assist trophy or costume and possibly lead him into the next game. I think he is a hint for the next game, much like Chrom.

But who knows! We could be playing our say 100th battle only to face a "Challenger Approaching" cutscenes of Snake and Mewtwo skydiving out of a helicopter.