Event CEO 2019 Discussion Thread

[The_Bookworm]

Sparg0 2-0 Sinji to make it to top 48 winner's.

And that is it for pre-top 48.

 

[KirbySquad101]

Sparg0 did such a good job of playing defensively and using Cloud's Limit Break patiently against 's onslaught of projectiles.

Between that and Prodigy in top 48, the younger Smashers are doing phenomenal right now.

WaDi, without fail, always runs into some Japanese-character-specialist-god.

No kidding, poor WaDi lol

At least he's still in Top 48

 

[Lacrimosa]

D. Wizzy 0-2 Nairo

 

[The_Bookworm]

Here is winner's top 48:

Prodigy vs Wishes
Dabuz vs Glutonny
Ally vs MVD
Marss vs Sparg0
Salem vs Samsora
Puppeh vs ESAM
Light vs Cosmos
ProtoBanham vs MkLeo



And loser's top 48:

Umeki 1-2 Fatality
SaltOne 1-2 8BitMan
Abadango 2-1 Wrath
MuteAce 2-0 UtopianRay
ZD 0-2 Mr E
ScAtt 0-2 Captain L
WaDi 2-0 Zurak
Ryuga 1-2 Goblin
Epic_Gabriel 2-1 king_chris
Dynax 0-2 Vinny G
Mr.R 2-1 LingLing
Sonido 2-0 CaptainZack
Raito 2-0 Larry Lurr
Dark Wizzy 0-2 Nairo
Peabnut 2-0 Uncivil Ninja
Sinji 2-0 ven

 

[KirbySquad101]

Wishes 2-0s Prodigy to send him to Losers.

 

[The_Bookworm]

Wishes 2-0s Prodigy to send him to Losers.

Wishes has a Joker? That's news to me.

 

[Lacrimosa]

Kinda ok with that place for Zelda.
But it will swtill be assumed she's low-tier *sip*.

 

[KirbySquad101]

Wishes has a Joker? That's news to me.

I believe he's been practicing him a lot at House of 3000. It looks liked it paid off, he defeated Prodigy pretty convincingly with him,

 

[Iridium]

Goblin 2-1 Ryuga for 33rd, getting his revenge from Frostbite. And poor Raito gets eliminated for 25th by Nairo 0-2 this early.

 

[NotLiquid]

Notable top 48 eliminations:
Umeki and 8BitMan eliminated by Fatality (both 1-2)
Abadango eliminated by MuteAce (1-2)
CaptainZack and Mr.R eliminated by Sonido (0-2 and 1-2 respectively)
Larry Lurr eliminated by Raito (0-2)
Raito eliminated by Nairo (0-2)
Sinji eliminated by Peabnut (1-2)
Fatality eliminated by Prodigy (0-2)

Wishes has a Joker? That's news to me.

He mentioned on Twitter a while back that he wants to focus on Joker and is dissatisfied with Pokémon Trainer. Also said he has little expectations for CEO because it's an A-tier with no Bo5 until top 3 and three slanted stages with two bans.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Prodigy 2-0 Fatality to get into Top 16

 

[The_Bookworm]

Prodigy 2-0 Fatality

17th place is an alright placing for Fatality, especially considering that he had to go through Umeki, 8BitMan, and Myran to get this far.

I also want to point special attention to Sonido's run. He is still alive in bracket, and has defeated the likes of Mr.E, CaptainZack, and has just defeated Mr.R, only losing so far to Glutonny.

 

[KirbySquad101]

17th place is an alright placing for Fatality, especially considering that he had to go through Umeki, 8BitMan, and Myran to get this far.

I also want to point special attention to Sonido's run. He is still alive in bracket, and has defeated the likes of Mr.E, CaptainZack, and has just defeated Mr.R, only losing so far to Glutonny.

Really hoping people open their eyes to and , as well as Sonido and Fatality for that matter; both characters are much better than people have been giving them credit for imo

Sparg0 has also been doing phenomenal as so far, guaranteed at least 17th place; the kid's got mad adaptation skills.

 

[Iridium]

Uh, Marss 2-0s Sparg0 in an almost dominant fashion. Sparg0 was adapting a bit during the second, but the habit of rolling into Marss after missed techs became easier for Marss to punish. His recoveries were for the most part fine, but Marss came through with deep offstage edgeguards. Cloud can't always contest ZSS once he's out there, and it showed.

 

[KirbySquad101]

Dang, Sparg0 might've had the first game if not for the constant rolling into ZSS' DSmash; it looks like he's set to fight WaDi in losers now.

Also, Mr E 2-1s MVD , knocking him out at 17th place

 

[The_Bookworm]

Unfortunately, Sparg0's run ends at 17th place, courtesy of a relatively close set against WaDi.

 

[Lacrimosa]

And Puppeh 2-1 Esam
That dude's popping off.

 

[KirbySquad101]

Honestly, I would too if I defeated Nairo, and then ESAM literally right after lol

Unfortunately, Sparg0's run ends at 17th place, courtesy of a relatively close set against WaDi.

Aaaawww, that's a shame; still, considering he defeated both Sinji and Myran along the way, he had a really good run overall.

 

[NotLiquid]

"Inkling isn't hype"

OUTTA HERE

 

[The_Bookworm]

Top 16 is Tomorrow


Winner's
Wishes vs Dabuz
Ally vs Marss
Samsora vs Puppeh
Cosmos vs MkLeo


Loser's
Prodigy vs Glutonny
Mr E vs WaDi
Salem vs ESAM
Nairo vs ProtoBanham

 

[Tri Knight]

Top 16 is Tomorrow


Winner's
Wishes vs Dabuz
Ally vs Marss
Samsora vs Puppeh
Cosmos vs MkLeo


Loser's
Prodigy vs Glutonny
Mr E vs WaDi
Salem vs ESAM
Nairo vs ProtoBanham

Not a Pikachu fan in the slightest but I'm cheering for ESAM. Always liked his presence as a player. And he really makes Pikachu work man.

 

[VenomSnake]

Sonido may have landed 17th, but that is still an amazing run for both him and as a showing of as a character. Wow! Really opens people up to just what Sonic can do.

 

[Kokiden]

Top 16 is Tomorrow


Winner's
Wishes vs Dabuz
Ally vs Marss
Samsora vs Puppeh
Cosmos vs MkLeo


Loser's
Prodigy vs Glutonny
Mr E vs WaDi
Salem vs ESAM
Nairo vs ProtoBanham

Inkling does pretty well against Joker, so I'm interested to see how MKLeo will hold up against him/her.

I'm torn really. I'd like to see Joker win again, but I know that him doing so will net him mega nerfs in the next balance patch...

MKLeo's last two matches with Proto and Ryuga shows that people are surely learning how to deal with Joker. He's not OP and people just need more time to learn how to deal with him.

I'll put those two matches below in case anyone wanted to watch them and see just how close MKLeo was to losing, but pulled through because he's a just that good of a player.

Spoiler: MKLeo matches

https://youtu.be/t9H7p7NeD9o

https://youtu.be/KCV7HES3Rj4

 

[Shaya]

The extent of learning to deal with Joker being... in Ryuga's case, losing in a generally in a one-sided fashion, but a much slower pace by virtue of playing overtly passive but at the expense of applying little pressure in neutral and being in a disadvantaged position almost the entire time?
You would've seen the exact same notion of "getting better at the match up" in relation to Bayonetta in s4 - people learn very quickly how to avoid losing 2 stocks in 20 seconds by extending the length of time neutral takes place and committing a lot less, but then it became pretty obvious to observe that Bayonetta didn't care as nothing was actually impeding her SAFE game plan.
not saying joker is bayonetta-tier.
Top level players not losing 2 stocks in 20 seconds is definitely an improvement, don't get me wrong. But it's not an improvement that reflects upon anything of Joker's design or power level.

Ike was way too slow, even with his sword size, to cut through joker's hurtbox shifting and zoning coverage. The semblance of come back was Ike doing Ike things on arguably Ike's best stage, from stray hits in disadvantage allowing a reversal in what was otherwise an extremely oppressive showing?

Proto with Lucina doing significantly better, but that is definitely one of Joker's worst match ups in top tier (I'm still a but dubious on acknowledging Pika is, and Pichu is becoming even less common).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Proto was one of the only players in Japan beating Leo's Joker during his visit recently? So he's doing worse against Leo now than he did before? Any other player doing just as well and YOU WOULD'VE HAD AN INFALLIBLE ARGUMENT, mwahahahaha.

I feel like Joker (or at least Leo's) has a somewhat polarized Marcina gameplan, with hurtbox shenanigans and a few helpful speedster quirks (sliding dtilts, projectile, impressive frame data on a move or two like bair) but of course on a much smaller pure disjoint and generally eh hitboxes (before Arsene).

I doubt he'll get mega nerfed anyway. What's one of biggest nerfs in this game thus far? Wolf's dsmash killing like 2% later.

Would like to see an increase in Leo's whiffed or shielded fsmashes and grabs being punished.

 

[Minordeth]

Shaya - tbh I think Proto had Leo’s number, again. He lost game 1 convincingly, yes, but he also commandingly won game 2. Essentially, he lost game 3 due to luck (an accidental footstool out of a airborne scramble) and a tech error (out of hitstun, expecting a tech situation and/or a higher angle).

Okay, and Proto got suuuuper greedy with that Uair>Uair>Usmash hard read. So that’s on him.

Leo is also the best player in the world. Not that Proto isn’t a world class player, but he’s not Leo (maybe).

I do think Joker is top tier. But, imo, even Arsene doesn’t make up for a weak ground game. Every option he has on the ground is unsafe on shield. Yeah, he can cross up, but that’s about it. He’s got Palu’s ground game without the Nair OoS or the DA with invincibility.

Most likely, a character with a strong ground game can push that to set up for edge guards, or force shield jumps, etc.

Chrom, for instance, would probably be a losing MU if Arsene!Joker didn’t have a counter hitbox the size of a small moon. But we will see, I guess.

On a side note, a 160 man regional out here in the Pacific Northwest was won by a Falco over Pokepen playing Joker.

 

[NotLiquid]

I think most of these games being Bo3 is also going to put a lot of these outcomes into more perspective. ProtoBanham's accidental flubs could've been brushed aside in a standard format where he could get another lease on life, but in here it's easily going to turn into a bracket run killer, especially against a player like Leo.

Although, Joker being very momentum based, I feel Leo could very well get upset on the road to top 3.

 

[KirbySquad101]

WaDi 2-0s Mr E , ending his run at 13th place
Gluttony 2-1'd Prodigy , ending his run at 13th place

Prodigy almost ended up winning game 3, but Wario Waft's clutch factor ended up winning Gluttony game 3, which is unfortunate for the Mario main.

 

[Lacrimosa]

I firmly believe they will nef Waft in one way or another next patch.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

ESAM 2-0 Salem

Nairo 2-0 ProtoBaham

Man Nairo had the DI of the gods that game 2. Able to survive all those nairs and fairs past 170%. Which gave Palu enough rage for her back throw to kill at the center of the stage.

 

[Iridium]

Well, Puppeh caught Samsora with the craziest b-air high up there to take game 3. This is easily his best performance at any major. I also liked his usage of up smash OoS as a quick option. Most PT mains don't pick Charizard that often, but here, it kept Puppeh's stocks around a little longer than Samsora wanted.

 

[NotLiquid]

Cosmos' attempts at recovery in that first set while at a stock advantage personally wounded me.

 

[Nekoo]

The more I watch Snake's matches, the more I find that the Grenades are Obnoxious, especially in the burry situation of Ally vs Marss, and overall, multiple random momentum breaker against Marss that happened during this set.

 

[KirbySquad101]

I firmly believe they will nef Waft in one way or another next patch.

I don't nerfing it is necessary, but I wouldn't be surprised/complaining if it did; that move alone makes you feel like you're always a stock down against Wario.

Speaking of clutch wins, Puppeh had one against Samsora as well, defeating him 2-1.

 

[PK Gaming]

The more I watch Snake's matches, the more I find that the Grenades are Obnoxious, especially in the burry situation of Ally vs Marss, and overall, multiple random momentum breaker against Marss that happened during this set.

Frame 1 grenade is the definition of bad game design, considering large portions of the cast can't even press their advantage against Snake because of it.

Snake in general is... really dumb. I don't think that's changed from this game's inception, but it's more subtle than "Nikita" which is a blatantly overtuned option.

 

[Lacrimosa]

Dabuz 2-0 Wishes

Dabuz didn't pull out Olimar until now, right?

 

[KirbySquad101]

I don't think so, anyway.

Also, so many clutches happening in this Top 16. XD WaDi bounces back with Arm Rotor and defeats Samsora 2-0, moving onto Top 8.

 

[The_Bookworm]

I don't think so, anyway.

Also, so many clutches happening in this Top 16. XD WaDi bounces back with Arm Rotor and defeats Samsora 2-0, moving onto Top 8.

His pop-off with Cinnipie broke the stream. lol

Samsora and Cosmos, two players who are normally consistent top 8 finishers, just fell off short of top 8 thanks to Glutonny and WaDi.

 

[PK Gaming]

Marss 2-0 vs ESAM

 

[The_Bookworm]

CEO 2019 Top 8


Winner's
Dabuz vs Ally
Puppeh vs MkLeo


Loser's
Glutonny vs WaDi
Marss vs Nairo

 

[Ziodyne 21]

His pop-off with Cinnipie broke the stream. lol

Samsora and Cosmos, two players who are normally consistent top 8 finishers, just fell off short of top 8 thanks to Glutonny and WaDi.

Arm-Rotor is straight up bonkers move. I am surpised the move has fallen under the radar. I gotta hand it to WaDi for finally making it to top 8 at a major. He earned that pop-off