Celebrity Mafia: The Revenge of Elin Nordegren (GAME OVER! Did Elin get her revenge?)

[Swiss]

You're Swiss. I'd prefer knowing that you are on my side rather than not.

You're never flattering as town. You know your 'rep' is more powerful than mine - for the time being at least.

I did ask you to play this game, because I didn't want to be stuck witrh *******es like these guys.


I really hope you're scum now I'm saying all this. Biggest fail of my SWF career if you're town. Good job you're dying D1. We can still win without you.

 

[Purple]

rPSI. finish this up.

 

[Cello_Marl]

You're never flattering as town. You know your 'rep' is more powerful than mine - for the time being at least.

I'm used to using the Cop to determine your alignment by endgame. I knew I wouldn't have that luxury here. The alternative would be to simply lynch you in endgame, but that wouldn't be as guaranteed with this player base.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

What the **** is the votecount right now?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

@Roxy - Swiss is really up in the air. He's part of the reason I want to see Cello's flip.

 

[Purple]

put him at l-1. he's at l-2 atm.

 

[Cello_Marl]

L-2. Swiss, SephKuza, July, Axel, GERTY

Swiss will die eventually, rPSI. Him dying doesn't confirm my claim, but it DOES remove my innocent. If the Doctor constantly protects him, then we should be fine.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I want more info from everyone still, guys if we're going to kill cello, then cello will DIE. But you don't need to do it now, milk information please.

So contradictory.

 

[Purple]

well guess the **** what rPSI?

I've been asking for this forever, and no one's doing it; what can I do? =/

 

[rPSIvysaur]

L-2. Swiss, SephKuza, July, Axel, GERTY

Swiss will die eventually, rPSI. Him dying doesn't confirm my claim, but it DOES remove my innocent. If the Doctor constantly protects him, then we should be fine.

Oh, of course not. Why would it confirm your claim at all? It's super easy for scum to get a town cop read. :|

I'm wondering why you mentioned this to me at all, when I said I was interested in seeing your flip.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

You can at least not ask me to put in at L-1, Roxy. There's a reason I'm keeping him at L-2. I'm so mad.

 

[Purple]

interested? how interested?

quick edit: why? there;s two inactives, and they haven't come from the woodwork to kill him, what's good?

 

[Cello_Marl]

@GERTY: I'M still talking, and so is rPSI you ****ing ******. What do you want to know?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Interested as in, I really don't know about Swiss' alignment.
Town Swiss can be pretty powerful if he wants to.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@rPSI: You said that knowing Swiss's alignment was part of the reason you want to see my flip. What's the other part?

 

[Swiss]

Cello, if you really are the cop, you've USED your shot. Your death clears me as town, where doc and protect me until he dies.

This is not a bad situation.

 

[Purple]

whoa.

Cello be mad.

you mad?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

@GERTY: I'M still talking, and so is rPSI you ****ing ******. What do you want to know?

Woah, Elizabeth, a little hostile there.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Cello, if you really are the cop, you've USED your shot. Your death clears me as town, where doc and protect me until he dies.

This is not a bad situation.

I'm sure if you think REALLY hard, you can see how it might not be as great as you think it is. And it isn't that it takes up the Doc's protect.

 

[Swiss]

I'm sure if you think REALLY hard, you can see how it might not be as great as you think it is. And it isn't that it takes up the Doc's protect.

Better spell it out.

 

[Cello_Marl]

ISO my posts in Popcorn. Don't read them in context; just know how I play as Town.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Go. Do it now.

Either that or I can tell you here and then quick edit it out.

 

[Swiss]

I'm not ISO'ing you.

 

[Clownbot]

Regardless of Cello's flip it's extremely likely Swiss is town, rPSI.

Are there any scum roles that imply the absence of a cop?

 

[Clownbot]

Swiss, don't call anyone a ****** for the rest of the game if Cello is lynched and flips town.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Regardless of Cello's flip it's extremely likely Swiss is town, rPSI.

Based on a total WIFOM though.

 

[Swiss]

If Cello is town I am going to be so ****ing humble you wouldn't even recognise me.

It's Cello's fault, though.

 

[Swiss]

brb 5 mins

 

[Cello_Marl]

Fine then.

What do you want people to talk about, Gheb?

You're running the show right now.

...ok.

So, what do you want people to talk about, Gheb?

You're running the show right now.

Hmm. I see.

Gheb was picked as the gunbearer. I think that this came about as a random result; I can't think of a specific reason why he would be picked otherwise. This leads me to believe that the mafia has at least one of Kevin, Frozen, or Tom as a member.

Pure speculative gut instinct, why do you all think Gheb was chosen?

If I were mafia, I would have chosen one of the three I mentioned so they have the lowest amount of information possible when they had the gun.

Nobody gives the Vizzini enough credit. The whole point of that scene is that, in the end, after he switches the goblets, he specifically waits to see if Westley takes a drink first before he's confident enough to actually drink.

But, now this really is a digression.

If you don't like what I choose to talk about, then choose something for me to talk about.

Can we shoot Tom? Or can you shoot me so I can shoot Tom?

On an only slightly more serious note, you're right about the bit about not focusing on the clear. But, imo, only in that we shouldn't focus on his/her reactions and opinions.

What RVS? I get what you mean, but that's just not going to happen the same way as usual here, I think. What other way to break the ice is there? Asking Gheb was my answer to that.

Why thank you, I'm glad that you liked it.



Fair enough, even if I don't fully agree. So, what different course of action would you suggest? You didn't give one.



Focusing in what way? For the second part, I never stated that I thought if anyone other than you three was selected that I would believe at least one of you three is scum. You said that. I said, "Gheb was picked as the gunbearer. I think that this came about as a random result; I can't think of a specific reason why he would be picked otherwise." Of course, now I can think of another reason, i.e. scum thinks he'll miss, but I hadn't considered that at the time. You're assuming that I thought the random selection was why I thought one of you is scum. That's right. However, you also assumed that that would apply to just anyone. That's wrong. I only thought that Gheb was randomly selected. If it had been me, for example, I'd be more open to thinking it was Maymays's doing.



I'm sure you're implying something with these statements...I just...I just can't put my finger on it...

@Frozen:



Do you agree with Tom's sentiment?

@Swords: So...how does that frame Tom, specifically? You said it that way, it must have been for a reason. You didn't say, "mafia could frame someone" or "mafia could frame Tom/Frozen/Kevin in Cello's eyes". You said Tom. Why Tom?

Does anybody else think that's a slip on Sword's part?

Honestly, I think we've somehow already managed to find at least 1 scum in Katalingo, Tom, and Swords, and maybe more. Significantly less confident in Kat than the others.

Shoot them, shoot them!

 

[Purple]

Rpsi how di you feel about cello before this, after this?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Pretty null due to low activity

 

[Cello_Marl]

Next batch.

"Certain game events may also result in a change of deadline."

I have to admit, I didn't read the rules thoroughly. What do you guys think this means? I don't think it's referring to a self-kill from no shot, since that's addressed elsewhere. I hope it not like that other...

A lot.

Maybe it's just referring to *****es getting capped, but I 'unno.

Does anyone want to volunteer to get shot if Gheb can't make a decision? I'd really rather mafia doesn't get to choose again.

Hando, Frozen, say stuff and things and stuff.

@Frozen: What changed your mind about me? What in that muck made you decide to declare that you think I am town?



So why say anything at all?

@Gheb:



Things like this are terrible. We know you are clear, so don't bother putting your views out. All you have to do is sit back and watch what happens. When the topic, or someone's lack of input, is not to your liking, you should intercede then. There's no reason to ask for anyone's opinion and then tell them what to say.



This is much better.



These aren't. They serve no point. Seriously, does the answer to these questions have any affect on your opinion on people? Even if it's just for Summoner, then there are better options for questioning. I actually just thought of that while typing, but the beginning of this quote makes me hate you. You've come into this game with a lowered opinion of my opinion, rather than being willing to judge information on it's face. Frankly, as of this moment, the safest place for scum to be is in my sights.

Don't make me have to intentionally shift my suspicions and look for/make silly stupid arguments on people I think are innocent just so I can properly manipulate you. I'll do it. I've done it.

Katalingo, you cunning linguist.



What purpose does this serve except to satisfy your own curiosity? If you have an opinion, use the declarative form instead of interrogative.



I'm not awful until I cause a misfire.

EBWOP: The second question directed at Frozen are poorly worded after looking at it again. Consider it, "What in that muck made you decide to declare that you are starting to think I am town?"

@Kevin: Am I scum?

@Frozen:
You seem to be the only one to have this problem. Whatever. Keep your options open if you must.

Also, why are filling your posts with so much fluff?

Also,
No, I'm pretty sure we're here to eliminate scum, not get personal glory.



Everyone had posted by the time you said this.

@Swords: I still don't like how you specified Tom, but there's nothing more that can be said about that. Can you comment on something else that's not directed at you?

OK.



Entirely unnecessary, as it's just a rehash of your point in a previous post. That doesn't make it more thorough, just longer.



This belongs in a mafia tactics/playstyle thread, not a game. Even considering it's in response to something that I said, the more relevant points are in how I am supposed being "difficult, tricky, noncontributive, or simply belligerent". You never do any of these things, you just go off on a tangent. Nice contribution there, buddy.


Also, you never actually talked about why you began to shift your opinion on me.



"More 'awful townie'...than scum". That certainly sounds like a declaration of Cello towniness.


Also,



This is really dumb. You talked about shooting me like it would somehow make me go away, despite not really being convinced of my scumminess, just my being "confusing". Yet, a scant two hours later, you are clearly aware that shooting an inactive would be a piss poor idea, because they would become the gunbearer. What benefit could we possibly gain from making a person who is supposed confusing (which I have yet to hear from you how exactly I am) the gunbearer escapes me.


Tom's last post was just over 3 days ago. That's a problem.

@Gheb: I guess I should answer your question about Swords and Summoner. I guess Summoner thinks he's right, but I don't know about Swords. I'd like to see him shot.

Cello, as gunbearer, would you run things similar to Gheb or closer to what Kevin suggests?

I wouldn't be running things at all. I'd shoot Tom, then Frozen, then Swords. One way or another, the game would be over for me; either we'd have won, or I'd have died along the way. Actually, I would ask the town as a whole who they'd rather I shoot first, Tom or Frozen. Beyond that, blammo.

Also, just because I don't think you'd choose Gheb doesn't mean I don't think you'd be open to being swayed to choose him once the benefits were told to you.

Frozen. I. Am. Going. To. Shoot. You. In. The. Face.





I amended my previous post. It should have been obvious from context what I meant; you have yet to explain how I have been belligerent. Also, before you take the obvious avenue of escape, my declarations of face-shooting are just letting everyone know who I'm going to target once Annie gets her gun.



Please do so. Sooner is better.



There's a problem with this. If you're town too, I'm going to shoot you and we're done here.



Is this written correctly?

 

[Swiss]

Cello why does your old town play equate to you being town here?

Explicitly state why your PR is more useful for town when left alive.

Why, when I know town Cello, did you think to use your shot in RVS on me? You would have assumed that I would call you town/SK immediately and let you live several days. At the VERY earliest you would have used your day ability towards the END of the day.

If you are town you are playing dumb as ****. It is as simple as that.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Third batch.

Hihi Tandabear!

You have 150 words to tell me why I shouldn't gat your ***.

Sucks about Tom...

You can assume that the points I did not address do not progress toward any useful discussion at this time, in my opinion.



The entire stance that you have toward me is what's unreasonable. It's obvious to any casual observer that I judge you to be scum. That isn't going to change. It's obstinate, but it's truth.

In essence, you've said, "Stop thinking that I'm scum and there's no problem." What the heck is that? You have what seems to be an uncaring, aloof attitude about this, as though the whole idea of our back and forth being TvT is so alien to you that it never even crosses your mind. That's a major problem to me. That's what makes me think you are scum.

Also, about that whole not tunneling on me. You should work on that. The most you've done otherwise is pretend to be shocked at Kevin's suggestions for who to shoot. Katilingo's post in particular deserves your attention. It looks like something that might convince people.

I like Hando for town. I like Summoner for town. I like Katalingo for town. Gheb might be town, I can't tell yet. I'm not scum. Take that (and interpret it), May.

That leaves Kevin, Tomdora, Swords, and Frozen. Might be wrong about Hando, don't think so.

@Tandora: I was going to say 127 left. But now, I'll say: Confident enough...to give you...this!

Wants to Shoot: Tandora

Tanny, what were you doing at 3:12 a.m. on the morning of 3-20-10? (So, thirty-three hours ago).

I ask because I noticed your first real post was at 3:08 a.m., and of course it would take some time to make it. Curiosity. Also, what are your thoughts on Swords from what he's said about Tom and his replacement, you? Also, FFvC Fight Night Round Newbie 3 was TvS, just not your S.

Lurker shot is a bad idea, but only because they might shoot me afterward. Otherwise, clearing someone that nobody can form an opinion on sounds good to me. Maybe we should consider it after we hit scum and have a buffer zone. I will endorse shooting any lurker that's willing to shoot the bad guys. Let's ask Summoner about that when he gets back.

Or shoot bad guys.

@Summoner: If shot, would you shoot Frozen or Swords? Why should we think you are town? What do you think about SuperKatalingo and Gheb's likelyhood to shoot the 'roo? Do you think he should? He shouldn't.

Jeez, could you be less committal?

What are your opinions on... whatever you like then?

I shouldn't have to ask, but you do know that shooting him won't necessarily kill him, right? Just making sure.

Also, @Summoner, I said what I meant for once. If I got the gun, I'd give everyone else 24~48 hours to convince me the order of Tanny, FF, and Swords to gun down. That's it. Also, why were you concerned with whether or not I'd specifically ask you who asked you who you'd shoot? I really don't get your attitude in that regard, and it does seem to be a general thing, of not wanting to put forth initiative and just talk about your opinions.

About Tomdora: Tom's first posts are geared toward trying to get us all into a "business as usual" frame of mind, which I think is a scummy and wrong thing to do in this sort of game. Business as usual gets people who make mistakes when they post shot/lynched, which typically goes hand-in-hand with people who will make poor decisions for whatever reason. His giant leap of logic when it came to how I began targeting Kevin, Tom, and FF and expanding it to include anyone that wasn't one of them was very off putting too. Next, his response to Swords comes across as particularly harsh. This is important to me because more experienced players here prefer a more organic beginning stage without allowing their styles to bleed through, and so, this would be something that I think Tom would have addressed to Swords in-thread rather than out, so that Swords wouldn't appear to suddenly change his ideas.

@Tandora: Just chatting? I can't present any proof, but I'd like to hear what you have to say. Also, it looks like you didn't finish whatever thoughts you were having in the second to last paragraph of your last post.

About Swords: Just ISO him. Jeez.

About Frozen: =========================================
Tunnel. Long and flat.
But, it's not just that. His timing was what put me off. For his first post, right after Swords makes what is superficially a stupidly scummy comment if I am known to be town, he chooses to not address it at all. Next, his support for Kevin's notion that a "guide for the mafia" would be a terrible thing is bad. Why would it be? If people's notions and ideas suddenly shifted, that would be pretty telling. Gradual changes would be less noticeable, but hardly undetectable. Especially since the game to that point had shown the town to be rather reticent to help itself, and such changes would be hard to disguise. This is compounded by his attempt to throw suspicion at Summoner.

Katalingo's points are good too.

Shoot Swords. Or...dammit!

Don't shoot me.

Double tap! Atta boy, Gheb.

God someone needs to stop KevinM cause he's on a roleee.

Gheb, if you survive shooting Frozen, you should shoot Kevin next.

Shoot the two people above me.

Swords at least, c'mon, jeez.

So, shooting you is perfectly reasonable? Awesome.

The real task I have now is to present an argument for Frozen to that end. I go now to ponder.

Oh, that reminds me, does anyone know what day/when/at what time Tom's computer exploded?

 

[Cello_Marl]

Cello why does your old town play equate to you being town here?

It doesn't.

Explicitly state why your PR is more useful for town when left alive.

ISO Popcorn, or read it here. Almost done.

Why, when I know town Cello, did you think to use your shot in RVS on me? You would have assumed that I would call you town/SK immediately and let you live several days. At the VERY earliest you would have used your day ability towards the END of the day.

You might be right. Who would really know?

If you are town you are playing dumb as ****. It is as simple as that.

Maybe. But I'm fine with that as long as I don't die. If I do, it's your (plural) fault. UNCOUNTERCLAIMED COP.

 

[Swiss]

Good, so you admit you have played dumb if town.

Why are you being dumb? You are far from dumb.

 

[Cello_Marl]

I said maybe. Besides, I'm fine with that as long as I don't die. Didn't I just say that?

 

[Clownbot]

Vote: Nabe

Cello, would you be willing to switch your vote if your wagon doesn't hold?

Hey, Joey's on! Thoughts and **** as soon as you catch up.

 

[Swiss]

Do you honestly think you have any chance of dissuading me from this lynch?

A one shot cop who used his ability on D1 RVS then failed to provide any content.

 

[Dooms]

DON'T LYNCH CELLO OH MY GOD WHY

Seriously town?

unvote

Vote: SephKuz

Oh my god you have done NOTHING this whole game. You just came in and voted the most popular person. Seriously? You're not helping town in any way, shape, or form. Seriously. Get lynched. Three times would be perfer'd.