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So upB out of the utilts is a thing? So I suppose fighting Ryu on a stage where we can safely land on a platform to do this is very helpful? Also thanks for all the advice. If Bowser can run through the fire hadoken then that is actually pretty useful, assuming this Ryu player doesn't already know that.
It's possible. I first saw it happen in a grand finals set. It's just less likely to work than double jump would in the same scenario. Only ideal if you feel like he's caught your double jump (since there's no way to visually tell if your double jump is gone). Ryu has to Utilt in a specific rhythm in order to make a target fall farther into the string, and that's what gives characters the precious few frames they need to escape.
To be honest it's such a bad matchup that I never use Bowser against Sheik so I can't really help. One thing I could assume is that to catch Sheik's landing, note that since she can land with Nair Bair or Fair with nonexistant endlag, you should shield in anticipation of this before going for any kind of punish.
Yes, yes, and no with regular shielding. Block advantage data exists for all characters. For OoS options, you use the Advantage (OoS) column. For punishes that involve putting down your shield, you use the (Drop) column. For Bowser, shield grab and Fortress have you covered for the typically safe moves used in competitive play, but it can be handy to know at what moments you can Bomb or Fsmash as an alternative kill option.
Listen son.
So Bowser vs. Sheik is the same as Ganon vs. Sheik, in that the only way to win is FSmash and pray?
I urge you to consider how sweet it is when you bait them to dair on your shield, and after the fourth hit you Oos Up-Smash.
Just hit them. Punish them for waiting.
I believe Diddy's Fair and Bair is to SDI away from them. A mixup option for getting onto the stage is to jump backwards and Fire Breath them. This will back them off so you can then try to do a Nornal or Jump ledge getup
I have to point out Duck Hunt's placement. As difficult as it may feel to play Bowser against a projectile based character, they still have to find some way to finish off your stock. And this is where Duck Hunt struggles, because he has one kill move, the forward smash. He can also get an air dodge read with Uair and maybe kill, but there's no kill setup, so he has to knock you all the way to ~130% before he can get aggressive. Meanwhile we have to land about half that much damage before we can kill him with a grab. Or get him as far as 100+ where the majority of our moveset is acceptable. Plus his recovery is slow and has no hitbox and his side B fails to connect all its hits on Bowser thanks to Tough Guy. Trick Shot and Wild Gunman are tricky, but once you're past, he's in trouble.
Bowser has of MU -3 already. After I'm not at all agree with you but I'll tell you the MU who surprised me the most:This is my current idea about how the Bowser matchup spread goes.
I'm primarily interested in how crazy you all might think I am and what you know about matchups that I don't know about.
Thanks.
Oh god, I didn't know that. That helps a lot. I thought I was just stuck holding shield until he runs up and grabs me.
Well it's the reticle hits of clay break we armor. Hits 2-4 out of 5. And now that I lab it out, it doesn't seem to have much effect. Each reticle is an independent article, and the hitlag you receive from one is long enough to let the next hit you. So unlike, say, Ryu's Shakunetsu, it's not a move you can get hurt with, and react with shield to avoid the rest of the damage or safely run through.
I'm not totally sure I'm understanding you here. As long as I can powershield the frisbee and then charge through I don't mind the extra damage.
If the reticle hits you, you're stuck for the rest of the move because Bowser is frozen in hitlag until the final hit. There's no running through.
That's rough. Might still be good if you need to lose those shielddrop frames anyway for whatever reason though.
I wouldn't say that there are any matchups in this game that are impossible. It's a pretty balanced game, all things considered. A -3 to me looks like you just don't have any advantages in the matchup, which I don't think ever happens. Bowser always kills easier, lives longer, and grabs better.
You're right, but there's a slight hitch here, you can shield and run through the clay pigeon afterwards, but it depends on how it hits your shield and the way it bounces, and how fast you are about it.
The situation I would run into often is that the can would be coming in from above, and he would toss the clay pigeon, meaning I would have to retreat, roll in and eat a punish, or be stuck in shield as he runs up and grabs me under all that pressure. I suppose I could just try to fair it all, but the option to simply Powershield charge through I think is much better psychological pressure on the Dog.
I don't think we have advantage against Metaknight. But I also wouldn't personally put him in the top ten worst matchups. It will definitely look bad for Bowser since much of the match involves us getting comboed, but our jab 1 setup into a grab combo is as threatening as MK's half dozen setups into Uair ladder any day. It used to be that we would camp the end of the stage so that an Uair string would take us so far off stage that he would have to SD in order to secure a kill. Now, we can fight and position wherever is convenenient. Just be wary about doing the old trick now, as MK is much more capable of stringing a Fair as a finisher to the Uair string, and that can kill if you've taken yourself close to the blastzone. OoS fortress and pivot grabs can routinely beat his approach options. His Dash attack has trouble passing through us compared to other shielding targets, so our shieldgrab is a fantastic punish. He has to almost be physically touching Bowser's shield before initiating a dash attack that would pass through. Another way to describe it is if MK is far enough away that the toe hitbox could possibly strike bowser, he's too far to pass. And the toe hitbox is the one they want. He faces a similar issue if he attempts to crossup with a falling Nair. Non commital Jab 1 pokes are a great answer to the falcon style dancetrotting, our jab 1 has more reach than all of MK's normals, and limb intangibility on our moveset often awards the win to us, if not a trade because of our superior range. And if he ever jumps for an approach, shield is the answer for everything. Even empty jumps will have trouble against a simple shieldgrab as he lands. Like all characters, Bowser should only be having trouble in a disadvantage state, so if you're air borne, airdodge and double jump often to avoid strings, and drift toward the nearest ledge for safer options than landing onstage. Beyond all that, just be aware of some MK tricks. Like Fthrow to Shuttle Loop which is a 50/50 if you DI'd away. Ftilt 1 to Shuttle loop at about 120% that you must pull up shield for in order to block and then punish, and edge canceled rapid jab into shuttle loop. Correctly anticipating these one trick ponies can net you another grab, or Fsmash kill as early as 50%.
Yes LM has the MU against Bowser mainly for that. Little Mac is also fatter, a counter, of better Attack smash, less endlag...
