Data Captain Falcon Hitboxes and Frame Data

[Stratocaster]

Those actually work for me. Could you try again? And if anyone else has trouble with them tell me as well.

 

[0Room]

They work for me too

 

[Wolfy!]

This is fantastic stuff. Thanks for posting, Stratocaster.

 

[Mr Postman]

To bad you can't pause the hit box gifs. I would be a lot easier to see them.

 

[Scar]

do we have grab frame data? what's the iasa on uthrow/dthrow?

 

[Stratocaster]

Yeah, Magus's Throws Frame Data

Throw Name: (effected by wait, YES/NO) *
released frame, first actionable frame [lag/ difference between released and actionable]

D-Throw: YES*
20, 40 [20]

U-Throw: NO
18, 47 [29]

*If the throw is effected by weight, then you multiply the first 2 numbers by the Weight Multiplier found at the link, then find the difference. In general, it just means that d-throw is faster (sooner iasa) on lighter characters than heavier characters.

 

[Scar]

what's the first/second number? first is your throw lag, second is their hitstun?

this is awesome btw. should have guessed that magus did something awesome

 

[Stratocaster]

I tried to make this clear by typing the format above, but again:

First number: frame that the grabbed opponent is actually thrown, airborne, released
Second number: frame that you are actionable, the throw animation is finished
[Third number]: Just the difference between the first two numbers, and therefore a measurement of the lag between when the opponent is thrown and you are actionable

You can't put a definite frame number on hitstun because it depends on %

 

[Scar]

ok you right. so if i'm looking for iasa / first actionable frame, idc about the first number, i only care about the second

cool.

 

[Mizar]

what's the first/second number? first is your throw lag, second is their hitstun?

this is awesome btw. should have guessed that magus did something awesome

Throws don't have hitstun.

/splitting hairs

 

[Da Shuffla]

Throws don't have hitstun.

/splitting hairs

How can they combo(training mode) if they don't?

 

[Mizar]

Its just stun, hitstun you can SDI out of. You can't SDI throws.

 

[Scar]

Mizar droppin some super-cool knowledge

glad to learn

 

[Jeapie]

Mizar learned me how to surive a full jump falcon punch offstage.
So simple, yet I would never have figured that out!

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Its just stun, hitstun you can SDI out of. You can't SDI throws.

Wrong.

Hitlag is the state in which you can SDI.
Hitstun is the state in which you cannot do anything yet.

 

[Mizar]

Wrong.

Hitlag is the state in which you can SDI.
Hitstun is the state in which you cannot do anything yet.

Beat me to it! EpicEasy will be mad at me for mixing it up for the millionth time.

You're right, I meant hitlag, the time when you're frozen in the air in which you can SDI.
Throws are just hitstun, non-DIable. I recall EpicEasy telling me that there's 1 or 2 throws in the game that do have hitlag though.

 

[EpiceaSy]

Grr!! I'm so mad!

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Beat me to it! EpicEasy will be mad at me for mixing it up for the millionth time.

You're right, I meant hitlag, the time when you're frozen in the air in which you can SDI.
Throws are just hitstun, non-DIable. I recall EpicEasy telling me that there's 1 or 2 throws in the game that do have hitlag though.

I remember Jiggly's fThrow, but the other? No idea. Maybe Mewtwo's fThrow if you count the shadow balls?

 

[ShrieK1295]

Can someone explain to me how to read the auto cancel frames?

 

[kyaputenfarukon07]

auto cancels values for the knee
total frames 39
<6 35>
so the knee auto cancels
if it is less than 6 frames (starting animation)
or if it is more than 35 frames (ending animation)

this is how i interpret the values

 

[6VI6]

Up angled ftilt and dash attack aren't working for me, anyone else have this problem?

 

[SCC_Cone]

Ah see I like the down-smash but I didn't know the first hit was so high, very helpful, thanks!

 

[RedGamer]

does anyone know what the IASA is on an aeriel falcon kick?
how soon can I jump?

 

[TerryJ]

There's missing stuff, and I'm getting around to doing it.

What do you use to record Dolphin and make gifs? I just got it set setup on my roommates computer (my Laptop can't handle it) and I want to help finish/improve (Falcon's) frame data project for the sake of completion. If nobody can supply me an answer I find something to use.

Here is what has missing:
[collapse=Throws]
Up throw is not effected by weight and ends on 43.
Forward Throw is not effected by weight and ends on 39.
Back Throw is not effected by weight and ends on 49.
[collapse= Down Throw: (There's a thread by Magus I think that talks about calculating this based on weight)]
Fox: 40
Marth: 39.08
Peach: 40
Falco: 38.75
Bowser: 39.32
Sheik: 40[/collapse][/collapse]
[collapse=Ledge Frame Data]
[collapse=Ledge Jump]
Ledge Jump | % < 100
ID: CLIFFJUMPQUICK1 (Not affected by DI)
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Total: 11
Transitions into
ID: CLIFFJUMPQUICK2 (Affected by DI)
Total: 32

Ledge Jump | % > 100%
ID: CLIFFJUMPSLOW1
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Total: 18
Transitions into
ID: CLIFFJUMPSLOW2
Total: 35
[/collapse]
[collapse=Ledge Attack]
Ledge Attack | % < 100%
ID: CLIFFATTACKQUICK
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Total: 54

Ledge Attack | % > 100%
ID: CLIFFATTACKSLOW
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Total: 68
[/collapse]
[collapse=Ledge Roll]
Ledge Roll | % < 100%
ID: CLIFFESCAPEQUICK
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Total: 48

Ledge Roll | % > 100%
ID: CLIFFESCAPESLOW
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Total: 78
[/collapse]
[collapse=Ledge Climb]
Ledge Climb | % < 100%
ID: CLIFFCLIMBQUICK
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Total: 32

Ledge Climb | % > 100%
ID: CLIFFCLIMBSLOW
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Total: 58
[/collapse]
[/collapse]
[collapse=Teching Frame Data]
[collapse=Tech in place]
Tech in Place
ID: PASSIVE
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Total: 25
Invincible: 0-19
Vulnerable: 20-25 (-5 Frame Disadvantage)
[/collapse]
[collapse=Tech Roll Forwards]
Tech Roll Forwards
ID: PASSIVESTANDF
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Invincible: 0-19
Vulnerable: 20-39 (-19 Frame Disadvantage)
[/collapse]
[collapse=Tech Roll Backwards]
Tech Roll Backwards
ID: PASSIVESTANDB
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Invincible: 0-19
Vulnerable: 20-39 (-19 Frame Disadvantage)
[/collapse]
[/collapse]
[collapse=Missed Tech Stuff]
[collapse=Missed Tech]
Missed Tech (Bounces facing Up) (Can be Jab Reset)
ID: DOUNBOUNDU
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Total: 25
Transitions into DOWNWAITU

Missed Tech (Bounces facing down) (Can be Jab Reset)
ID: DOUNBOUNDD
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Total: 25
Transitions into DOWNWAITD
[/collapse]
[collapse=Knocked Down]
Knocked Down (Laying on back)
ID: DOWNWAITU
IASA: 0
Total: 217
Transitions into DOWNSTANDU

Knocked Down (Laying on chest)
ID: DOWNWAITD
[IMAGE NEEDED]
IASA: 0
Total: 217
Transitions into DOWNSTANDD
[/collapse]
[collapse=Getup Options]
[collapse=Getup Attacks]
Getup Spin Kick (Facing Up)
ID: DOWNATTACKU
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Invincible: 1 - 29
Vulnerable: 30 - 49
Hits: 19 - 20, 28 - 29
Total: 49

Getup Back Kick (Facing Down)
ID: DOWNATTACKD
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Invincible: 1 - 27
Vulnerable: 28 - 49
Hits: 20 - 21, 26 - 27
Total: 49
[/collapse]
[collapse=Standing Getup]
Standing Getup
ID: DOWNSTANDU
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Invincible: 0-22
Vulnerable: 23-29

Standing Getup
DOWNSTANDU
ID: DOWNSTANDD
[IMAGE NEEDED]
Invincible: 0-22
Vulnerable: 23-29
[/collapse]
[/collapse]
[/collapse]

I've tried to organize this as much as I can, would you be so kind as to add this to the OP for others to easily find?

Also, one thing I want to eventually do is measure Falcons distance traveled per frame for every option of travel that he has. With this you could calculate when and where you should do which move based on percent ranges and opponent's DI. Combos that have the most frame advantage would be easiest to preform while frame perfect ones would be most optimal. (hurr duur)

 

[EPsilon933]

2 of the gifs seem to not show up. Any fixes for this?

 

[Stratocaster]

Up-keeping these things can be annoying because the image hosting sites drop the file sometimes. I can fix it soon.

Edit:
Only took further pestering and a month to get around to it.
Thought I only had images and was going to have to redo the gifs, but I found where I put them.
Up-keeping these is a pain, stupid image hosting sites.

 

[Kadano]

SSBWiki needs the gifs anyway, so it should be the perfect image hoster.

 

[Deleted member]

This is really helping me out, thanks for the frame data. I dunno why I haven't noticed this thread since I started playing.

 

[Sleepy]

A question, to get the rear hitbox of falcon's bair you need to hit inside his forward facing elbow? (the one that isn't extended)

 

[HodgyDot]

This is helpful, but i still cant land nairs, lol.

 

[Deg]

Can someone please link me to a gif of falcons upB and specifically frame 13... the img here is broken. ty

 

[sonicsmith7]

Please if you dont mind coulc you make a dash animation?

 

[Deleted member]

Good stuff, thanks.

 

[protato]

xxxxxxxxxx

 

[victra♥]

Does anyone know how Falcon's gentleman works and why it even works in the first place?

I've heard a lot of different methods, but does anyone have the actual frame data behind it?

 

[kyaputenfarukon07]

Jab
Total: 21
Hit: 3-5
Window of the second punch: 3-25
Second punch starts: 9
-------------------------------------
Jab 2
Total: 20
Hit: 5-7
Window of the knee: 2-25
Knee starts: 8
-------------------------------------
Jab 3 (Knee/gentleman)
Total: 32
Hit: 6-12
IASA: 23
Rapid Jabs Start: 13

NOTE: to get the knee without the
jabs, don't interrupt either punch
animation; instead, hit A after it's
over.

^ This Description

then press A or Z and you have 23 frame window ~ 1/3 of a second to press one of the buttons

so basically you can mix this timing a lot

 

[Mr. Bean]

Show me your data

 

[Oddyesy]

most of these gifs are broken and this thread needs to be updated
just bumping to let people know

Seconding. Guys pls

 

[Coyle]

UsurperKingZant on YouTube combined all of the gifs together to make frame videos for each of the characters. You can play/pause to see individual frames, but I like to change the speed to 1/4 or 1/2 on YouTube while I watch the moves.
Here's Falcon's
Here's the playlist

 

[Stratocaster]

Ok I'll try to reupload stuff soon. It's always such a pain.