Can't Let you cut me Sakurai, Wolf for DLC

[DoodleDuck97]

The only reason I'm not infuriated with Sakurai at the moment is because of a possible leak that if true, would confirm that there is at least more character DLC besides Mewtwo.

If this is true thatn Wolf could easily fit next to Falco and Pikachu and slide Duck hunt down next to ROB. Though not sure if this is even legit, still fiercely debating over it.

Mark my words if Lucas gets in first there is no reason that Wolf wont return.
The one reason I think Lucas will come first is simply because initial roster status and he came first before Wolf in Brawl.
either or which comes first. The other will follow :3

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Well, if anything, some of Wolf's animations should have replaced Falco's still Fox-like animations, since he still has plenty.

Other than that, Wolf was redundant.

Yeah, let's give Wolf's ability to attack with his claws to Falco.

 

[Wintropy]

Yeah, let's give Wolf's ability to attack with his claws to Falco.

Falcons have talons.

Does that count?

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Falcons have talons.

Does that count?

Not on his wings.

Good riddance to Wolf.

Screw his A moves. His specials LOOKED and worked slightly similar to Fox. Falco already made him redundant since he was already meant to be a stronger, slower Fox clone.

And even his A moves were subpar. He's pretty much Fox with some more weight and none of the speed. The animations were different, but unlike for the specials, that doesn't matter.

Don't care if he's not a Dark Pit or Lucina-level clone; he's still cloned enough for me to be redundant.

"Seriously?" Wolf O'Donnell, Star Fox 64 3D.

 

[Wintropy]

Not on his wings.

I was being facetious.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I was being facetious.

That and Falco's a pheasant, Captain Falcon is the only falcon on the block.

 

[Wintropy]

That and Falco's a pheasant, Captain Falcon is the only falcon on the block.

Can't argue with that, of course!

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Captain Falcon confirmed as New Star Fox character.
Explains why F-Zero has been sitting at one character for ages.

 

[Conn1496]

To be honest, I just find it hilarious that the guy bashing Wolf said "Wolf is too similar to Fox, I'm glad he's gone.", then "Falco is more popular than Wolf because of smash, so he should stay." which... -no, not at all.

I wouldn't have minded a trade of Falco for Wolf, I'll be honest, but I wouldn't be glad either - definately not. Falco is his own character in his own right, even if he is a "Clone" he plays completely differently to Fox - hence why he's more popular (atleast in smash) - and that's true even more than ever now that he got nerfed to basically not be "just a better version of Fox".

I mean, I hate Smash4 Falco, but that's just because I don't like his new playstyle (and stylistic choices, tbh.). Wolf - if unchanged from Brawl - would probably be more similar to Fox tactically than Falco, but definately not in terms of playstyle. I think the issue is that a lot of people never really played Fox, Falco and Wolf, and got a feel for them all, so to them, they all seem the same.

-and hell, if we're going on popularity to keep Star Fox characters in, I'm not really scared to say that Fox would've likely been the first one to go - or he would atleast have stolen Falco's moveset, which in itself proves they're not really "clones".

Whatever. The whole discussion about clones just makes me wanna pull out my eyes with an ice-cream scoop and replace them with eggs anyway.

Captain Falcon confirmed as New Star Fox character.
Explains why F-Zero has been sitting at one character for ages.

lol, tbh, the series do have an oddly close relationship - hence why Fox's dad is basically in F-Zero and F-Zero racing basically exists in the Star Fox universe.

 

[Quillion]

Yeah, let's give Wolf's ability to attack with his claws to Falco.

Falco has razor-sharp wings apparently. Wolf's claw strikes can pretty easily translate to Falco's wings.

 

[Conn1496]

Falco has razor-sharp wings apparently. Wolf's claw strikes can pretty easily translate to Falco's wings.

They can't translate at all. Sharp wings and claws? -they'd function very differently, just like Wolf's moves.

A lot of Wolf's moves raked at the foe, or hit with a more solid feel that Fox and Falco just couldn't achieve. -and as I said before, you can't just take a character out if they're actually different in some regards, no matter of who it is. Hell, I don't like Lucina or Dark Pit being as close as they are to Marth and Pit respectively, but I know the differences enough that I feel they're viable characters in their own right. Just like Fox, Falco and Wolf.

 

[Quillion]

They can't translate at all. Sharp wings and claws? -they'd function very differently, just like Wolf's moves.

A lot of Wolf's moves raked at the foe, or hit with a more solid feel that Fox and Falco just couldn't achieve. -and as I said before, you can't just take a character out if they're actually different in some regards, no matter of who it is. Hell, I don't like Lucina or Dark Pit being as close as they are to Marth and Pit respectively, but I know the differences enough that I feel they're viable characters in their own right. Just like Fox, Falco and Wolf.

So it's a purely cosmetic and not even barely functional conflict? Okay.

 

[Conn1496]

So it's a purely cosmetic and not even barely functional conflict? Okay.

Haha, no. Did you even get what I was saying?

 

[mark welford]

So it's a purely cosmetic and not even barely functional conflict? Okay.

Buddy in case you haven't notice this is the Wolf support thread not the Wolf detractor thread.

 

[Conn1496]

Buddy in case you haven't notice this is the Wolf support thread not the Wolf detractor thread.

To be honest, he's allowed his own opinion - fair if he wants to voice it here - it's just that his reasoning is basically non-existant.

[Edit]: Just wanna post this here as I feel it's more than relevant to the current topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax5SRRc_Bi8
Doesn't show hit properties, but works well enough as solid evidence Wolf is far from similar to Fox or Falco.

 

[SimonBarSinister]

To be honest, I just find it hilarious that the guy bashing Wolf said "Wolf is too similar to Fox, I'm glad he's gone.", then "Falco is more popular than Wolf because of smash, so he should stay." which... -no, not at all.

I think he just did that to rustle jimmies. Anyone that says Wolf is too similar to Fox and Falco is either oblivious to what goes on around them or just trying to start trouble, and I usually suspect the latter.

I wouldn't have minded a trade of Falco for Wolf, I'll be honest, but I wouldn't be glad either - definately not. Falco is his own character in his own right, even if he is a "Clone" he plays completely differently to Fox - hence why he's more popular (atleast in smash) - and that's true even more than ever now that he got nerfed to basically not be "just a better version of Fox".

Personally, all three should've stayed. And Falco is definitely not a true "clone", not anymore.

I mean, I hate Smash4 Falco, but that's just because I don't like his new playstyle (and stylistic choices, tbh.). Wolf - if unchanged from Brawl - would probably be more similar to Fox tactically than Falco, but definately not in terms of playstyle. I think the issue is that a lot of people never really played Fox, Falco and Wolf, and got a feel for them all, so to them, they all seem the same.

-and hell, if we're going on popularity to keep Star Fox characters in, I'm not really scared to say that Fox would've likely been the first one to go - or he would atleast have stolen Falco's moveset, which in itself proves they're not really "clones".

Whatever. The whole discussion about clones just makes me wanna pull out my eyes with an ice-cream scoop and replace them with eggs anyway.

I don't know if one could employ similar tactics with Wolf as compared to Fox, but yes, Wolf's playstyle is definitely not like the other two. I didn't really use Fox or Falco, but I know a bit about how they work. Wolf was the one I chose; his playstyle(and sweet moves) just clicked with me.

As for the popularity thing, I don't think you can really count Fox as part of this, as he is the face of the Star Fox series. Not to mention it would look weird to see Fox moving like Falco, as I don't think Fox can actually slash things with his hands. I think that might hurt him more than his target.

The only true "clones" now are Dark Pit, Lucina and the Doc. There shouldn't be any discussion otherwise.

lol, tbh, the series do have an oddly close relationship - hence why Fox's dad is basically in F-Zero and F-Zero racing basically exists in the Star Fox universe.

PLOT TWIST!!!

 

[Conn1496]

I think he just did that to rustle jimmies. Anyone that says Wolf is too similar to Fox and Falco is either oblivious to what goes on around them or just trying to start trouble, and I usually suspect the latter.

lol, you'd be surprised how many people are the former.

Personally, all three should've stayed. And Falco is definitely not a true "clone", not anymore.

Basically what I said anyway, but yeah.

I don't know if one could employ similar tactics with Wolf as compared to Fox, but yes, Wolf's playstyle is definitely not like the other two. I didn't really use Fox or Falco, but I know a bit about how they work. Wolf was the one I chose; his playstyle(and sweet moves) just clicked with me.

Eh, he'd be closer to how Fox and Falco play now atleast. Falco is mostly just floor moves (Because his air move lag makes me cry.), punishes and spacing for me. Fox can be played much more aggressively, and up in the air, just like Wolf would be more agressive.

Maybe I generalised, but point kinda still stands.

As for the popularity thing, I don't think you can really count Fox as part of this, as he is the face of the Star Fox series. Not to mention it would look weird to see Fox moving like Falco, as I don't think Fox can actually slash things with his hands. I think that might hurt him more than his target.

Pfft, please. Fox could easily karate chop fools with razor-like efficiency.

The only true "clones" now are Dark Pit, Lucina and the Doc. There shouldn't be any discussion otherwise.

Eh, I don't even like referring to them as clones. Dark Pit, Lucina and Doc all play sufficiently differently to their counterparts to have their own slot.

 

[SimonBarSinister]

lol, you'd be surprised how many people are the former.

Well, maybe I'm mistaken, but anyone who plays Smash should AT LEAST know the basics of those three, or any counterparts before dismissing them as flat out clones. That's just how I see it anyway.

Eh, he'd be closer to how Fox and Falco play now atleast. Falco is mostly just floor moves (Because his air move lag makes me cry.), punishes and spacing for me. Fox can be played much more aggressively, and up in the air, just like Wolf would be more agressive.

Maybe I generalised, but point kinda still stands.

Really? I thought Falco preferred the air. I know Fox has speedy air moves, but one would think Falco has some sort of advantage in the air. I think Wolf was a terror on ground(and in some cases the air)with all of his speedy and wide-ranging smashes and tilts.

Pfft, please. Fox could easily karate chop fools with razor-like efficiency.

Nah, his hands would break, especially if he tried to do that to something like a Hylian Shield, otherwise known as the unbreakable shield.

Eh, I don't even like referring to them as clones. Dark Pit, Lucina and Doc all play sufficiently differently to their counterparts to have their own slot.

I know they can't be played in the exact same fashion as their base characters, but they use the exact same moves(sans Doc, he has two moves Mario used to have). Besides, Sakurai specifically stated some time ago that they are indeed clones.

 

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[Sakuraichu]

Good riddance to Wolf.

Screw his A moves. His specials LOOKED and worked slightly similar to Fox. Falco already made him redundant since he was already meant to be a stronger, slower Fox clone.

And even his A moves were subpar. He's pretty much Fox with some more weight and none of the speed. The animations were different, but unlike for the specials, that doesn't matter.

Don't care if he's not a Dark Pit or Lucina-level clone; he's still cloned enough for me to be redundant.

He's just as cloned as Zero Suit Samus, btw.

 

[Tino]

Geez, I thought this thread was suppose to be about Wolf and all things related to him, not about people bashing one another in a clone-related slug fest wrestling match. :/

 

[Conn1496]

Whatever. The whole discussion about clones just makes me wanna pull out my eyes with an ice-cream scoop and replace them with eggs anyway.

Please refer back to this.
It was one random guy throwing his opinion around, who cares what they said? -and who cares if Wolf was or wasn't a clone anyway? People obviously want him for DLC, so why not? What's really the issue? If people wanna pay extra for a character that other people think are a clone, let them.

...-and then we can be the ones laughing when we kick ass as him.

 

[mark welford]

Please refer back to this.
It was one random guy throwing his opinion around, who cares what they said? -and who cares if Wolf was or wasn't a clone anyway? People obviously want him for DLC, so why not? What's really the issue? If people wanna pay extra for a character that other people think are a clone, let them.

...-and then we can be the ones laughing when we kick *** as him.

You got that damn right!

 

[SimonBarSinister]

He's just as cloned as Zero Suit Samus, btw.

Pretty much what I thought. I can't see why someone would go to a character SUPPORT thread and speak out against them so blatantly for any reason other than this.

 

[Conn1496]

Pretty much what I thought. I can't see why someone would go to a character SUPPORT thread and speak out against them so blatantly for any reason other than this.

Because people can and like to voice their opinions pretty much anywhere slightly relevant, no matter how out of place.
Thanks, internet. :V

 

[SimonBarSinister]

Because people can and like to voice their opinions pretty much anywhere slightly relevant, no matter how out of place.
Thanks, internet. :V

Oh, I know. People on the net can be jerks half the time. It doesn't cost anything to be stupid on the net.

 

[Conn1496]

Oh, I know. People on the net can be jerks half the time. It doesn't cost anything to be stupid on the net.

Not even self respect?

 

[SimonBarSinister]

Not even self respect?

Unless someone's fist manages to make it through the screen, I can't give you a definitive answer to that.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

By the way, do the Wolf supporters have a collective name to refer to themselves as? For example, the Roy Supporters go by 'The Lycia Alliance', 'Kutthroats' for K.Rool? If anything, I see ourselves as just "Team Star Wolf", but please feel free to suggest any other alternatives.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

By the way, do the Wolf supporters have a collective name to refer to themselves as? For example, the Roy Supporters go by 'The Lycia Alliance', 'Kutthroats' for K.Rool? If anything, I see ourselves as just "Team Star Wolf", but please feel free to suggest any other alternatives.

Team Star Wolf works, also Nintendo Direct Wednesday, they better show us what we want so our suffrage will end and we can peacefully be with the other smashers and have our fighter excepted into the HD smash bros ( and the 3D smash bros)

 

[Tino]

By the way, do the Wolf supporters have a collective name to refer to themselves as? For example, the Roy Supporters go by 'The Lycia Alliance', 'Kutthroats' for K.Rool? If anything, I see ourselves as just "Team Star Wolf", but please feel free to suggest any other alternatives.

Star Wolf Mercenaries has a nice ring to it.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I found this on youtube...

gif ?

 

[TheAnvil]

Or they could just cut falco, Wolf is more unqiue, is a villain and is arguably more important than falco in the Star Fox games

I prefer Wolf, but he's not more important than Falco. Falco has been in every game Wolf has, plus Adventures and SF for NES.

There's no need to cut any of them.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

I prefer Wolf, but he's not more important than Falco. Falco has been in every game Wolf has, plus Adventures and SF for NES.

There's no need to cut any of them.

But falco really doesn't do anything worthwhile most of the time, he's really just an extension of fox

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I prefer Wolf, but he's not more important than Falco. Falco has been in every game Wolf has, plus Adventures and SF for NES.

There's no need to cut any of them.

Actually, no, Star Wolf in whole is more important, take Assault as the best example as Star Wolf is a tremendous part of the story while Falco, not so much.

 

[Conn1496]

But falco really doesn't do anything worthwhile most of the time, he's really just an extension of fox

He's a wingman (If you mind the pun.). The sidekick, the second in command, and while he kinda dissapears to do his own thing once in a while, he's still pretty much the second most profilic character of Star Fox.
He's Fox's "Luigi", his "Diddy Kong", etc. Cutting him from the game would be just as rediculous as not releasing Wolf for DLC.

 

[TheAnvil]

But falco really doesn't do anything worthwhile most of the time, he's really just an extension of fox

Do any of them really do anything important aside from Fox? The story in Star Fox games is very much (unfortunately) an afterthought. They've always focused more on gameplay.

 

[SimonBarSinister]

He's a wingman (If you mind the pun.). The sidekick, the second in command, and while he kinda dissapears to do his own thing once in a while, he's still pretty much the second most profilic character of Star Fox.
He's Fox's "Luigi", his "Diddy Kong", etc. Cutting him from the game would be just as rediculous as not releasing Wolf for DLC.

Pretty much this. Falco is the ace pilot of the Star Fox team, you can't just brush him aside so Wolf could show up, even though we all know Wolf is superior to Falco.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Pretty much this. Falco is the ace pilot of the Star Fox team, you can't just brush him aside so Wolf could show up, even though we all know Wolf is superior to Falco.

We need all 3, and someone can help Sakurai do that, DLC.

 

[Wintropy]

Seems legit.