Can Yoshi punish people for meteor spiking him?

[salaboB]

Doval recently discovered (Though it hasn't been verified completely yet and I'm sadly lacking a wii, he has posted exactly how to do it and I have no reason to doubt his information) that up-B moves will cancel meteor spikes and can be used soon after one has begun.

With that in mind, and since I didn't really want to clutter up the thread (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=4398677) with Yoshi specific chatter when the basic details are still being worked out, can someone who can run the tests find out if Yoshi can pop an egg into someone that just meteor spiked him, then recover with his second jump?

Edit: Basically, I figure with Yoshi's eggs going up above him the way they do it may be possible to hit people with them before they can get clear after the spike, and if nothing else provide a bit of cover and make people more hesitant to try that in the future. But I don't know if the egg toss will even cancel your momentum for sure, which is another reason why it needs testing.

 

[Sharky]

It stops your momentum, yes. The problem is, though:

1. Do you have the reflexes to meteor cancel that early?
and
2. Do you still have your second jump?

 

[salaboB]

It stops your momentum, yes. The problem is, though:

1. Do you have the reflexes to meteor cancel that early?
and
2. Do you still have your second jump?

Don't know!

For 1. you should be able to predict it coming and be in the process of entering the command, it's not really that hard to see someone wind up for a meteor. If they whiff it, you'll still just egg them so it's not really a loss either way.

2. would depend on where you were coming from, but if you wanted to use this for mind games you might intentionally let yourself come in low to try to draw out a meteor so you could smack them for it and break their concentration -- nobody likes it when a beautiful spike doesn't work as planned.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Odds are very high that after having been meteor-smashed, Yoshi won't be able to sacrifice the momentum required for tossing an egg upwards on his recovery.

Not to mention, by the time you recover from a solid meteor smash, the other player will have likely already returned to the ledge.

 

[salaboB]

Odds are very high that after having been meteor-smashed, Yoshi won't be able to sacrifice the momentum required for tossing an egg upwards on his recovery.

Not to mention, by the time you recover from a solid meteor smash, the other player will have likely already returned to the ledge.

Is this based on the information about cancelling meteors found in the thread I linked, or on trying to just come out of one? It seems like using the up-B would stop the speed of the meteor and then you'd use your second jump (up-B's can be activated before double jumps, when meteored)

 

[Gindler]

I'd just try to dodge or DJ and use my "juggernaut" frames to absorb the hit (if they work on meteors like other moves that is)

I've never meteor cancelled with the egg toss, or at all for that matter. Alot of the more popular characters (MK, TL, Snake) either have no spike, a risky one, or one that needs to be sweetspotted. Only a few characters have real easy to land spikes but no one uses them sadly "/

 

[Scarlet Jile]

I've been trying to recreate the scenario, but it seems to me like Yoshi doesn't regenerate his double-jump after being meteor smashed.

This means that while I can certainly meteor cancel, I still can't, in most cases, recover.

Maybe someone can add to this?

 

[salaboB]

I've been trying to recreate the scenario, but it seems to me like Yoshi doesn't regenerate his double-jump after being meteor smashed.

This means that while I can certainly meteor cancel, I still can't, in most cases, recover.

Maybe someone can add to this?

You have to have not used your double jump already, or you're pretty much finished.

 

[Shiri]

He's not finished, per se. He can be in trouble, though.

His Egg Toss gets him really quick breaks out of meteors since I think Up+B moves can bypass the meteor stun and break the downward momentum early.

Just be careful about trying to absorb meteors with Yoshi's double jump. Some meteors like Ness' down air can break the jump at 0%.

 

[Gindler]

Hmmm, I did not know that yoshi's super armor could be broken so easily. Then again seconding ness I know that his spike is easily the best in the game, especially at low percentages.

 

[Sharky]

better than the ganonstomp? o.o

 

[Nocher]

i think so, but i cant be sure

 

[Doval]

1. Do you have the reflexes to meteor cancel that early?

Thanks to the game's buffering system, and the fact that there's no penalty at all for mashing Up on the analog stick, there are no reflexes required. You just hold up and mash B and you'll meteor cancel on the very first frame possible. Timing is only required IF you plan on using your jump to Meteor Cancel, and IF you're going to be using the jump buttons specifically. You could still mash up on the analog stick to jump and the game wouldn't care.

His Egg Toss gets him really quick breaks out of meteors since I think Up+B moves can bypass the meteor stun and break the downward momentum early.

Yeah, you can Meteor Cancel with any Up B, even if it's something useless like Jigglypuff's. No, Ganon's d-air is the most powerful Meteor I've seen so far. Beats Ike's and everything >_> Ness's is ok, but nothing astounding.

 

[Aggression]

Thanks to the game's buffering system, and the fact that there's no penalty at all for mashing Up on the analog stick, there are no reflexes required. You just hold up and mash B and you'll meteor cancel on the very first frame possible. Timing is only required IF you plan on using your jump to Meteor Cancel, and IF you're going to be using the jump buttons specifically. You could still mash up on the analog stick to jump and the game wouldn't care.Yeah, you can Meteor Cancel with any Up B, even if it's something useless like Jigglypuff's. No, Ganon's d-air is the most powerful Meteor I've seen so far. Beats Ike's and everything >_> Ness's is ok, but nothing astounding.

sing isnt useless... its a free kill past 120%...

 

[Doval]

It's useless for recovering.

 

[Naucitos]

yeah, even if sing is a free kill, meteor cancelling with it wont help you very much, although it'd be a fairly amusing swan song