Bust a Move/Puzzle Bobble Mafia..... GAME OVER!

[BSP]

Alright.

So we're got

Orbo ; Kantrip ; Bardull

One of these 3 is scum, and we should probably lynch one of them today. Everyone should go back and read through their games so far and come up with someone you're willing to put vote on for toDay.

 

[BarDulL]

Same question to Kantrip w.r.t Orbo. You can guesstimate with myself too if you want.

 

[Kantrip]

Just gonna crunch some numbers here, worst case scenario:

[COLLAPSE="worst case"]3 mafia
1 indy
8 town

Current

Dead
1 mafia

Abducted
1 town

Alive
2 mafia
1 indy
7 town

We lynch one of the [Animal] claims but they flip town. A Night Kill AND an Abduction occur in the Night.

Dead
1 mafia
2 town

Abducted
2 town

Alive
2 mafia
1 indy
4 town

We lynch another [Animal] claim, are are once again wrong. A NK and Abduction occur once again.

Dead
1 mafia
4 town

Abducted
3 town

Alive
2 mafia
1 indy
1 town

And that's a loss. So basically we don't have the mislynches to go through all the [Animal] claims if the game has 2 mafia remaining.[/COLLAPSE]

My proposition: We lynch Orbo. Odds are he's the scum and there's no issue. Depending on his flip (mafia/indy) we go from there. If he flips town, we see what goes down in the Night. If there is a Night Kill, we know that there is a mafia member alive in the game. That could mean one of two things: Red Ryu is clear and the mafia is elsewhere, or: There are 3 mafia members in the game and my "worst case scenario" becomes a succinct possibility.

Basically: Lynch Orbo, go from there.

Vote: Orbo

 

[Kantrip]

Same question to Kantrip w.r.t Orbo. You can guesstimate with myself too if you want.

I could see you being indy, but I will simply NOT accept you being mafia. It just doesn't make sense and I would give you the highest of fives post-game if it were the case.
Orbo is the fattest of nulls for me in a game where I actually have scumreads with connections to 194. I'm still gonna have to go with indy on this one.

 

[Kantrip]

Bardull could you answer the same question for myself and Orbo?

 

[BSP]

What do you guys have on Orbo besides slot inactivity?

 

[Kantrip]

Vinyl's result. Past that, nothing but Process of Elimination.

 

[Orboknown]

Orbo, is Kantrip mafia or indy?

would need to reread to be sure. it's possible the NK and abduct hit the same person(ruy) and that wants to make me reread kantrip.

My proposition: We lynch Orbo. Odds are he's the scum and there's no issue. Depending on his flip (mafia/indy) we go from there. If he flips town, we see what goes down in the Night. If there is a Night Kill, we know that there is a mafia member alive in the game. That could mean one of two things: Red Ryu is clear and the mafia is elsewhere, or: There are 3 mafia members in the game and my "worst case scenario" becomes a succinct possibility.

Basically: Lynch Orbo, go from there.

Vote: Orbo

why my lynch first(not that i wouldn't do it if town mjority wants it)? would you object to getting lynched first?

 

[Orboknown]

also, what does vinyl's result do to your JD suspicion? is that set aside for now?

 

[Kantrip]

Your lynch first because I have a townread on Bardull and I am town. Yes, I would object to my own lynch. JD suspicion is set aside until this is sorted out. I still think he's mafia, but we can't be sure there even IS another mafia unless we see a Night Kill. Until then, this is more concrete than that.

 

[Kantrip]

Orbo, you're dumb. The abduct and NK didn't hit the same person. Are you honestly ****ing telling me Ryu is town and both anti-town factions tried to get him out of the game? That's seriously ********.

 

[Orboknown]

im not saying that definitively.
im saying it is possible.

Yes, I would object to my own lynch.

If it helps town, why are you not wanting to die?

 

[BarDulL]

I'm not sure if there is 3 mafia or not considering the presence of the abductor (assuming that's the Indy we're dealing with), makes the set up seem a bit scum sided despite the census taker's presence.

That being said, the census taker was designed for giving Town a freebie. Considering there must be at least 2 scum in the animal group (3 scum would be pretty redonk considering set-up speculation, but it's still possible that there's 3 mafia I guess), and one animal mafia already flipped, it suggests to me that the Indy is likely to be one of us. Mafia is possible too, but eh. Either way, I'm going to have to reread both slots.

If I had to pick an Indy RIGHT NOW, that's tough to say. Orbo didn't have much of an opportunity to spout information on D1, but on D2 I haven't really seen scumOrbo. Kantrip fits the Indy description more or less perfectly because of how middle of the road his play has been. Indies try to avoid NKs by not coming off as TOO townie while trying to aim for a town lean as to avoid getting lynched. Kantrip has been a bro though so I feel somewhat compelled to check out Orbo's flip first. Still gonna have to reread either way before I make a decision.

 

[Kantrip]

Because my death doesn't help town. Scum's death helps town. I'm more useful to town alive than dead, and, not trying to be vain here, but I think I'm more of an asset than you and Bardull.

Ryu was seen as the most likely to be scum with 194 at the end of D1. I already think the abductor is ******** to have abducted, him there is NO POSSIBLE ****ING WAY mafia also tried to kill him. It is NOT a possibility. If scum attempted to kill Red Ryu, I will paypal an arbitrary sum of money somewhere I don't even care, eat my hat, eat Asdioh's hat, and change my user title and location to ****ing anything. The fact that you are entertaining that possibility is making me cringe in pain. We're still considering RR to BE scum, why on earth are you considering that he was targeted by them? There could be a BP, a doc/jailer protect (or the roleblocking from such a jail), a purposeful No Kill, Red Ryu sending in the kill but having it fail, ANYTHING. And you go and say "guys what if Red Ryu got shot at".

Not only that, but why does that make you want to reread me? You should be rereading me and Bardull anyways, and trying to convince town which one of us to lynch. If not before you, then certainly after your death. Sure, Red Ryu could've been shot at (not really but I'm playing along). Why does that make you look at me and not EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME?

****.

 

[Orboknown]

As i said, you guys can lynch me if you feel that's best.

that doesn't make me look at you. the "one scum fakeclaimed animal" makes me look at you.
and bardull, but he's almost surely town.

Your death might not help town immediately, but a townie should have no qualms with dying.

 

[Vinylic.]

Reminder about humans and dragons, plz.

 

[Kantrip]

Bardull, explain how my leading-the-game playstyle has been playing "middle-of-the-pack". I don't care that you and Rake started the 194 wagon, you guys gave no reasoning. I spearheaded that ****. When I have been here, I have been up in the foreground literally pioneering **** all over the place. Tell me something about my play that has been "middle of the road". I've seriously been more up-front in the town this game than I think I EVER have.

I'm sorry, I don't know why I'm getting so frustrated right now.

 

[BarDulL]

Because my death doesn't help town. Scum's death helps town. I'm more useful to town alive than dead, and, not trying to be vain here, but I think I'm more of an asset than you and Bardull.

Ryu was seen as the most likely to be scum with 194 at the end of D1. I already think the abductor is ******** to have abducted, him there is NO POSSIBLE ****ING WAY mafia also tried to kill him. It is NOT a possibility. If scum attempted to kill Red Ryu, I will paypal an arbitrary sum of money somewhere I don't even care, eat my hat, eat Asdioh's hat, and change my user title and location to ****ing anything. The fact that you are entertaining that possibility is making me cringe in pain. We're still considering RR to BE scum, why on earth are you considering that he was targeted by them? There could be a BP, a doc/jailer protect (or the roleblocking from such a jail), a purposeful No Kill, Red Ryu sending in the kill but having it fail, ANYTHING. And you go and say "guys what if Red Ryu got shot at".

Not only that, but why does that make you want to reread me? You should be rereading me and Bardull anyways, and trying to convince town which one of us to lynch. If not before you, then certainly after your death. Sure, Red Ryu could've been shot at (not really but I'm playing along). Why does that make you look at me and not EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME?

****.

mfw this post.

 

[Orboknown]

dragon fakeclaimed animal likely.
@vinyl.

 

[Kantrip]

As i said, you guys can lynch me if you feel that's best.

that doesn't make me look at you. the "one scum fakeclaimed animal" makes me look at you.
and bardull, but he's almost surely town.

Your death might not help town immediately, but a townie should have no qualms with dying.

I disagree with this by principle. Maybe if I'm not helping town then my death is fine, like games where I'm inactive or don't get invested or don't have an important role. There are cases where yes, I can see how a townie might find it in town's best interests to let themselves be lynched.

For me, right now, this is NOT one of those times.

 

[BarDulL]

Bardull, explain how my leading-the-game playstyle has been playing "middle-of-the-pack". I don't care that you and Rake started the 194 wagon, you guys gave no reasoning. I spearheaded that ****. When I have been here, I have been up in the foreground literally pioneering **** all over the place. Tell me something about my play that has been "middle of the road". I've seriously been more up-front in the town this game than I think I EVER have.

I'm sorry, I don't know why I'm getting so frustrated right now.

Pretty sure I spear headed it, I was the first one on 194, lol.

Just telling both of you guys that with one mafia dead in the animal group, there's literally no chance in hell that there's a second mafia. Indy's pretty much dead by this point no matter what if he's fakeclaiming animal.

 

[Orboknown]

but kantrip is right that we don't necessarily have two mislynches to sort through.

 

[Kantrip]

Being the first to do something =/ spearheading it. I don't recall exactly how it went down, but I do know the post where you voted had no reasoning given. The first points against 194 were given by me.

 

[Vinylic.]

Maybe some of the humans are bad though, thus being Indy.

 

[Orboknown]

vinyl, why did you softclaim doc at the end of D1 again?

 

[Kantrip]

Maybe some of the humans are bad though, thus being Indy.

"Maybe".

Vinyl, I appreciate that you're trying to think about things, but this **** is not important right now. The whole "maybe some humans are bad" is so stupid when we actually have concrete reasons to believe the indy is one of the animal claims.

Best part is, it doesn't even matter.

I'm getting away from the game for now. Be back later.

 

[Kantrip]

vinyl, why did you softclaim doc at the end of D1 again?

Actually wait yeah I forgot about this.

I second this question very hard.

 

[Vinylic.]

To see what happens.

I haven't had thought about that until now. Since no NK happened, I assume the following:
Orbo inactivity could be the reasoning.

Or scum doesn't feel like doing that.

 

[BarDulL]

Being the first to do something =/ spearheading it. I don't recall exactly how it went down, but I do know the post where you voted had no reasoning given. The first points against 194 were given by me.

I had thread control at the time and never let up on 194. I friggin' claimed Vig and waved a gun around and moved lynches away from Tako/Joker, who people were still focusing on despite their claims. You should probably reread the game and see what went down. No one thinks I'm mafia for a reason, lol.

I never really felt you as a STRONG town presence in terms of pushing wagons really, i.e. I wouldn't necessarily aim for your slot for a NK. I also see you as someone who would abduct RR, since Orbo came into the game N1 without having time to read at all. I feel it's more likely that the abductor chose RR because he felt RR was scum, not because Orbo randomly decided to pick RR.

And then Orbo started asking terrible questions...

 

[BarDulL]

LOL are you guys kidding me? Why are you asking Vinyl why he soft claimed doc? IT'S VINYL.

 

[BarDulL]

Vinyl, for future reference, you probably shouldn't claim doc when you're a different PR. I mean, that was some pretty crazy wifom if you're intending to employ it that way, but otherwise it's not a good idea if people actually believe you're the doctor.

 

[Orboknown]

Also fine, the moment this game starts i am killing 194.

rake, what made you target 194 for the wifom shot?

1To see what happens.

2I haven't had thought about that until now. Since no NK happened, I assume the following:
Orbo inactivity could be the reasoning.

3Or scum doesn't feel like doing that.

1-you softclaimed doc, as some sort of investigative, because you felt like it? that doesn't make much sense.
2-why assume? I came into the game when D1 ended. i was reading the thread during the night phase. tako was atrociously inactive, not me.
3-you're saying scum no-killed n1? why do you think they might have done so?

 

[Kantrip]

I'm going to ignore Vinyl from this point. Thanks for the result and all, but holy **** man, seriously.

@Bardull: I'm ashamed at this populace for believing your gambit, but yes I know it was there for you to establish thread control. Great. So since I didn't wave my gun around calling myself a dayvig, I'm suddenly "under the radar"? You still haven't told me WHAT about my play was "middle of the road", because I don't see it. I was vouching for tako before you were, I was giving reasoning and pushing 194, I've been SO UP FRONT this Day phase. Yes I was trying not to get Night Killed, but that's another tale.

The three of us should full-claim.

 

[Kantrip]

Orbo you're going to get nothing out of Vinyl. Do you think he could be scum?

 

[Orboknown]

i don't think scumvinyl would fakeclaim census and have such a good hold on the info he is giving us.
although setup info would be a possibility as indy, but unlikely.
i just wanted to get inside his head, see how he is thinking.

 

[Orboknown]

Im a VT btw.

 

[BarDulL]

I mean, pretty much admitting to avoiding the night kill is direct admittance to middle-of-the-road play. You weren't a superior town presence by any means.

Kantrip, while we're at it, can you explain what you were talking to Rake about w.r.t. to the Vig claim?

 

[BarDulL]

Like, you were asking if he was vig and you said you would hint at it later, but it made no sense to me at the time.

I'm VT as well.

 

[Vinylic.]

I'm town census taker, kantrip. Why question if I could be scum?

 

[Orboknown]

claiming "town" doesn't mean jack tbh.
but you outing the information without provocation helps your cause.