Bust a Move/Puzzle Bobble Mafia..... GAME OVER!

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

it being risky doesn't mean it couldn't' happen ryu.

 

[John2k4]

Day One:

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

194(6): BarBelL, Rake, PrivateJoker, Kantrip, Riddle, Vinyl
SneakyTako(1): JDitz


Not Voting(5): Red Ruy, ToasterBrains, SneakyTako, 194, BSP

Deadline is set to: September 21st, 11:59PM MST

 

[BSP]

Joker, how do you feel about Rake's town read on Vinyl? And would you object to Vinyl being shot?

John, you left me out of the "not voting" part

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

his entire push on me was based off the fact that a role he didn't understand felt like something only scum would have, he then proceeded to make the reachy-est case in history based off that and basically refused to let go of it even when me and two other people explained the role to him

He didn't let it go? Ok, why is that a scum tell?

See you're not looking at the only thing that tells you someone is scum, intent. There is no absolute universal scum tell but intent to their win con.

He made a reachy case that was based on BS, but was he trying to force a ML? Or did he think something else was up with how you were posting? I don't see the ML angle working here at all.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

ugh i'll go get the posts. gimme minute

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

it being risky doesn't mean it couldn't' happen ryu.

Not saying it can't either, if people doubt it, it can be tested via not a lynch if people have doubts, but still possible is not probable.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: Riddle

Placeholder atm til I read more.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Deitz get back to me soon, I got to bounce some sage wisdom off with you on some ideas.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Joker, how do you feel about Rake's town read on Vinyl? And would you object to Vinyl being shot?

John, you left me out of the "not voting" part

I don't really find his read to be logical, but deep down I find Vinyl to be really difficult to read. I don't like Vinyl's play all that much so far, but I've disliked his play in games where he was town before.

I'd prefer a different target to shoot. We can always kill Vinyl later.

 

[John2k4]

Sidenote: If Orbo doesn't get back to me by tomorrow, I will contact a different replacement.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hey Bardull, shooting Orbo/Toaster slot is a perfectly A-Ok idea, kill the inactives!

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

1) chatterbox =/= to scum role in any way as proved by deadpool mafia / OS all-starts deadpool and the original deadpool from Super-hero's mafia IIRC. Why did you default to me possibly being a chatter box = me being scum ? Also, giving scum a unfavorable restriction is not even that bad, as seen when mafia won deadpool mafia. Any good scum could play around the restriction easily.

2) If 3 people post nothing of value 20 times in order to get me mod-killed, that would be gross.

3) Sarcasm, of course I don't have a chatterbox , although it already seems like your trying to paint the fact I post frequently in a bad light.

Unvote
Vote: sneakytako

I'm pretty sure we can all confirm that all of us don't have chatterbox. In the unlikely case that you and you alone have chatterbox, I suspect that you would be scum. This is based off of two ideas.

1.) Your initial RVS is all over the place. Spreading suspicion while attacking those that call your method silly is somewhat scummy. You kill two birds with one stone with this approach if you are scum and chatterbox.

2.) In general chatterbox is a scummy power. It is much more unfavorable when scum have to constantly talk, this puts them in more danger than a townie with chatterbox would. Townies need to talk to find scum, scum talking leads to exposing themselves and forces them to play more active.

3.) The way you post seems to collect post counts like crazy, you probably already have like 5 times as many posts as the 4th top poster (haven't bothered to count yet.)

There's no risk for you not posting for 60 posts if you weren't chatterbox, why not accept and clear my suspicions?



Also the reason why I ask three people who aren't me to inflate the post count are two-fold.

1.) I'm V/LA tomorrow.

2.) I want to confirm that I myself am not chatterbox. I do not mind if 3 people have more posts than I do.

I'm not saying lynch you in any means Rake, but if you have chatterbox then I feel ur likely to be scum, why waste an opportunity to get a free Mod-kill?

Also to alleviate any chance of considering that I am covering for a scum teamate with chatterbox I ask you Rake to choose three people randomly to inflate the post count.

Hmmm after searching the Dgames results it seems that chatterbox is indeed almost half and half power, retract my random vote request.

Why would it not be more scum lean T.T. (Since when is Deadpool a townie role? Effing Ryan Renolds.)

Underlined: I have only gone after you and kantrip, with a gambit on 194. How is that all over the place? The only thing you could justify that is the fact i asked a couple different slots wifom questions. And once again, you don't seem to be trying to read into my intention and are calling my RVS all over the place to discredit my pressure on your slot.

In addition RVS is supposed to be all over the place, so i fail to see the distinction of how my play so far is scummy.

Italicized: I haven't attacked anyone, have you even been reading my posts ? The only thing i have done in the actual RVS stage is put a vote on you/kantrip and am now pushing you. Futhermore, how am i spreading suspicion after making 2 RVS votes and ollowing up with up ? Again you seem to be throwing little darts at my play in order to undermine me instead of working with me so far.


Bolded: It generally being a scummy power does not constitute it being scummy in any particular game, and as I said, any good scum would find a way to play around the restriction.

Second Bolded: I am generally an active player, take a look at Utrik'd / really any game i have been in, I tend to like to post my current thoughts and questions and get follow up on them, which doesn't hurt town at all to explore all the options and figure out who scum is. The fact i post frequently is just a by product of that, plus the fact i may forget a part of one post / see something / think of something i hadn't originally considered , so i just post again with whatever that is.

Underlined 2: Why not give me the benefit of the doubt? I want you to consider how /why logically as i scum chatterbox i would proceed to flood the thread and risk slipping just to play within a restriction and not gameplan with the rest of my scum team in order to be within whatever the restriction was. Or to simply not state i was one at all, and accumulate posts by having my scum member's post me all sorts of questions and such.

But i am nothing if not amicable , so I will slow down my posting.

That would explain why it wasn't on Mafiascum wiki.

Wait.

Tako, how is chatterbox generally a scummy role , if you couldn't find it anywhere?

to clarify, were you trying to insinuate i was scum based off the fact that it may be plausible that a mod gave me a crappy restriction in order to off-set the fact that as scum i would have a kill.

Right now my read on Rake is null.

If you do decide to shoot me Bardul, can you tell me before the day is done? My flip can confirm the alignment of another player, I want to be able to give a hint to who that player is before I die.

He is not playing the uniformed card on this. Not even.

He actually calls my slot scum on a power he claims later to not understand.

He had to back off because me and Bardull pointed out the flaw in his logic.

He literally based his entire push on me off the fact that i might have chatterbox ability.

Also his point 3 is reachy as hell, it definitely reads like scum stretching something non-indicative of alignment(post count) in order to back up his push on me. Look how fast he dropped it too, after me/Bardull he drops me to an arms length read of null.

Also his point 2 about confirming himself non-chatterbox is about the only thing i would cconsider chalking up as noobish, and it's not even that much of a newb thing, you would never not be informed of a restriction. Any player new or not would know that.

Also the first thing tako needs to do back in this thread is explain his flip clear. he doesn't have to state who it is / if he gets to choose who he potentially clears, but now that it is out there I want to hear about it .

Bardull, he had to push me. That's why.
If he would have dropped it immediately it would have been 10 times as bad for him

BSP, i liked your 188.
Talk to me, could Tako just be that eager in his first actual (non newbie ) game that he would jump on my slot on a restriction he didnt' understand, but yet called scummy ?

Hi guys I'm back.

So my explanation to my rake reasoning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq7y3ecRxn4

Seriously, I thought chatterbox was almost always scum, I just remembered it wrong. I was 100% sure chatterboxes were scum, and I thought the idea that town chatterboxes were blasphemous.

Other than that I really have no explanation. I really can't defend myself since it does look scummy from an objective point of view, even if it is a ridiculous scum move. And if I play myself off that I was stupid, I can't stop you from suspecting that this was all deliberate.

But if you do decide to lynch/NK me, I'd like some heads up because my role can help clear up the role of another player. Depending on how the rest of toDay goes I'll reveal my hints if I'm going to die, but honestly I'd like to wait to make this play until I know ima dead.

If you guys lynch me I have no one to blame but myself. But I promise to help town the best I can for the remaining time I may have left.

Tako, why didn't your mason partner stand up for you ?
Also, why not ask your mason partner before jumping on me in the fashion you did ?

This is assuming they didn't stand up for you in a visible way.

don't say anything yet tako, clue or not , i need to decide if i want to bite on this

what i am more interested in tako is why you didn't confer with your partner before jumping on me, i.e checking with them about the chatterbox thing. i don't care who it is , i jst want to know why you didn't presumably do that seeign as how you came after me

also i am not fully biting into this mason thing , as it could be one scum branching out to their partner and claiming a mason with them. that's why i asked tako why he didn't consult his mason partner and why his mason partner may / may not have defended him against my tunneling

my tako logic is right now that no one really stepped up to defend tako from my accusations, which doesn't make a lot of sense if he is a mason with them

Why do you care if I PM John? I could lie about it and tell him he confirmed anyway.

I'm going with Rake/Bardul scum right now, they are trying to get me to slip by not trusting my partner.

@Riddle: That's an awesome idea, I'll make a cypher to reveal later.

also: there is literally no downside to checking they are of confirmed alignment to you, as that is the real issue here. if they aren't then you need to accept the possibility that they may be scum

one that is giving me pause is the fact that tako seemed to be surprised by the idea of unaligned masons, something which would not surprise him as scum in a masonry with a town player, because of course then he would know that they were unconfirmed alignments and that his partner was town.

JD, understand this though.

I never said to lynch Rake. If I was to assume that Rake was chatterbox, I thought it was 100% likely to be scum at first, then my confidence went down when Rake proposed the idea that chatterbox could be scum. When I first read the description of chatterbox I thought for sure this would be a scum power. My idea was if Rake was chatterbox then he would be scum, so we could just smoke him out by posting a ton and get a free read.

I still think there's a small possibility he has chatterbox, but now I know that modkilling him doesn't mean we kill scum.

I mean, even if he posts this much all the time, the fact that he does post often leaves the possibility of him being chatterbox.

So, would anyone like to CC? Can I assume that no one will CC?

Thar ye go Ryu.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Shooting 194 actually is fine too at this stage if we wanna swing it another way if we're sure we want him dead, not sure yet.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

there might be more. I'll go double check

 

[Kantrip]

Ryu is scum. Vinyl is dumb. I want Ryu dead more. His line of questionning to Rake wrt tako was useless and served only to look like he was doing stuff because he was getting suspicion for coasting.

 

[Vinylic.]

I was expecting noob.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

i was expecting butter

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Rake is ok with me now.

I think it was TvT with Sneaky using bad logic and reasoning. I think the masonry is legit, but with how it works I don't think the PJB not standing up right away is a bad thing, me an J were masons in Skies mafia and we wanted to not be seen as masons right away, though as the game progressed we started to defend each other.

So yeah, don't care about lynching any of those three right now.

Rake where do we go then? 194 shot could clear the day up more and swing a lynch another way, but I'm still reading and not liking Riddle's Piggyback and in the shadows style right now.

 

[Vinylic.]

I'll bring the butter when everyone decides to do mass claims.

I'm curious though, RR. Why not?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Eh, i could bite on Riddle for a while, but right now i am more interested in why Kantrip is riding my balls.
I'd need to read Riddle again in ISO in order to be able to make a solid decision on how i feel about his contribution.

IIRC he had some posts during my tunneling which felt like more of pile on statements than anything productive

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Town hiding PRs > Scum knowing them.

 

[Kantrip]

RR are you trying to save your scummate and swing a townriddle lynch? I thought you were the bussing sort. He must be your only buddy, eh?

Vinyl stop entertaining the idea of a D1 massclaim.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

but I'm still reading and not liking Riddle's Piggyback and in the shadows style right now.

This is a very ironic statement, as Riddle has posted much more content than Ryu has, by a pretty large margin. Ryu is basically talking about stuff that everybody already knows at this point.

 

[BSP]

Town hiding PRs > Scum knowing them.

Our Masons are out and our Vig (hopefully, I want to see that shot first) has openly claimed.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Our Masons are out and our Vig (hopefully, I want to see that shot first) has openly claimed.

Would have been better if they had not claimed at all.

 

[Kantrip]

Rake go **** yourself. My play is my own.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Come at me Kantrip.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Don't make me go quote you to prove my point.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR are you trying to save your scummate and swing a townriddle lynch? I thought you were the bussing sort. He must be your only buddy, eh?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This is a very ironic statement, as Riddle has posted much more content than Ryu has, by a pretty large margin. Ryu is basically talking about stuff that everybody already knows at this point.

Not necessarily.

You can reread and learn things people didn't see before or new information can lead to old info being seen in a new light.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also I am catching up but w/e.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

be back later etc.

 

[Vinylic.]

Town hiding PRs > Scum knowing them.

We just got three PRs claimed.

1 vig
2 two masons.

That leaves:
3 scums and maybe 1 indy
and 5 townies.

I don't think there's a point in not doing mass claims unless you have a better reason why.

 

[BSP]

Ok, I'm heading off for tonight

Don't hammer 194 until Bardull shoots. Personally, I'd prefer if some of you took your votes off until we see the shot.

@Vinyl - i think we should stop the setup speculation, but don't forget about factions.

2 v 2 v 3PRs + 5VTs isn't out

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Also I am catching up but w/e.

Are you catching up because you want to appear productive right before we hammer a lynch?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

We just got three PRs claimed.

1 vig
2 two masons.

That leaves:
3 scums and maybe 1 indy
and 5 townies.

I don't think there's a point in not doing mass claims unless you have a better reason why.

Every single Vet here will back me up in theory on why mass claiming on day 1 is terrible, even in an all PR game.

If the mod is even decent it will flop all your PRs will be exposed to the Scum PRs that are designed to counter towns if not worse.

I'm not debating this, regardless of the roles ont he table, exposing more has no benefit on Day 1 at all. Leave scum to their guess game, don;t give them a treasure map instead.

~

Yes to Bardull shooting before the day is over as well.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Ryu i take it back. You can live.
Bardull can just roll a dice lol.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

>sees 194 viewing
>doesn't see him fighting his lynch
>GG Scum

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Are you catching up because you want to appear productive right before we hammer a lynch?

Nah keeping a promise to read when I said I would, game started at a bad time for me irl.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Anyways, back later.