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What we do know is that it was selected by Gamefreak ahead of time, since it does take time to create animation, to be prominent in a movie and the show. We know that it has gotten good treatment in the merchandising department, been given some good cards in the TCG, and made quite viable in the game's through move tutors and a strong HA.
Lycanroc is more of a star in the anime, stop ignoring that fact. He also has good cards in the TCG, including both his GX(there’s 2 of those btw) and regular card variations (again, more than Incineroar has). He is just as good if not better than Incineroar in the games, having a much better move pool in general, featuring confusing moves like rock climb, flinching moves like rock slide, slowing moves like rock tomb, and let’s not forget that in general, it’s unprofessional to base what is highly marketed on personal preference. Also, I’m pretty sure when Masuda gave that answer he was asked about the starters specifically, not the entirety of Alola. Stop ignoring Lycanroc like he doesn’t exist, because he has left a pretty big mark regardless of what you think. While I agree that yes, Incineroar does have a good chance, that doesn’t mean it’s ok to completely ignore something that is that important.
Lycanroc is more of a star in the anime, stop ignoring that fact. He also has good cards in the TCG, including both his GX(there’s 2 of those btw) and regular card variations (again, more than Incineroar has). He is just as good if not better than Incineroar in the games, having a much better move pool in general, featuring confusing moves like rock climb, flinching moves like rock slide, slowing moves like rock tomb, and let’s not forget that in general, it’s unprofessional to base what is highly marketed on personal preference. Also, I’m pretty sure when Masuda gave that answer he was asked about the starters specifically, not the entirety of Alola. Stop ignoring Lycanroc like he doesn’t exist, because he has left a pretty big mark regardless of what you think. While I agree that yes, Incineroar does have a good chance, that doesn’t mean it’s ok to completely ignore something that is that important.
Was or was not the anime any of effect on the roster? This is something I see wavered back and forth on so heavily it's painful. When people point out that Decidueye has 0 presence in the anime in the past, it was a poor point cause Sakurai likely picked someone before the anime was going or even possibly that far in planning. Now that the Decidueye phase is over and people are trying to do everything in their power to shut down Incineroar (more so based on people's hatred of the leaks and theories), the anime is now the biggest pointer in the world. When I supported Mimikyu before his demise to the Pokeball world, people shunned his anime appearances as Jessie's pokemon and popularity that both would not matter. But suddenly it supports Lycanroc? And this is all ignoring Lycanroc's very plain and one note concept art paired with the question of how it'd use items like the guns.
By no means do I think Lycanroc has no chance, nor do I think Inciniroar is the 100%. I however think Lycanroc (or Sceptille or Decidueye) supporters are looking more into attacking Inciniroar's footing in the race than anything else which results in very contradicting statements coming along. One of the biggest belongs to Deciueye fans STILL claiming he is the most popular Gen 7 Pokemon despite losing to Mimikyu, Lycanroc, and Inciniroar.
And overall the biggest break outs for Gen 7 was Alolan Vulpix/Ninetales, Mimikyu, Rowlet, and Guzma/Team Skull from my personal viewing of the internet reactions and memes/art work regarding these characters.
Lycanroc is more of a star in the anime, stop ignoring that fact. He also has good cards in the TCG, including both his GX(there’s 2 of those btw) and regular card variations (again, more than Incineroar has). He is just as good if not better than Incineroar in the games, having a much better move pool in general, featuring confusing moves like rock climb, flinching moves like rock slide, slowing moves like rock tomb, and let’s not forget that in general, it’s unprofessional to base what is highly marketed on personal preference. Also, I’m pretty sure when Masuda gave that answer he was asked about the starters specifically, not the entirety of Alola. Stop ignoring Lycanroc like he doesn’t exist, because he has left a pretty big mark regardless of what you think. While I agree that yes, Incineroar does have a good chance, that doesn’t mean it’s ok to completely ignore something that is that important.
Have you not seen Sakurai? He can easily find a way to make Lycanroc hold items, and his mouth is the first candidate. Also saying Lycanron’s concept art was boring is ignorant of the fact that Incineroar has a boring moveset, where Lycanroc could be the most unique character in the roster just because earth power. While Incineroar would bring a new style to that roster, Lycanroc not only would join the small quadrupedal roster of Ivysaur and Duck Hunt, but would also bring a unique move element.
Have you not seen Sakurai? He can easily find a way to make Lycanroc hold items, and his mouth is the first candidate. Also saying Lycanron’s concept art was boring is ignorant of the fact that Incineroar has a boring moveset, where Lycanroc could be the most unique character in the roster just because earth power. While Incineroar would bring a new style to that roster, Lycanroc not only would join the small quadrupedal roster of Ivysaur and Duck Hunt, but would also bring a unique move element.
The man that made a clone of a street racer? Or the man that made a literal goddess into a rather one note fighter in ?
Concept artwork =/= move pool in Pokemon. One is a brown wolf standing there, the other is a ferocious and egotistical wrestler cat shown interacting with various things. One literally is the safest design one could ever do (a wolf... just a wolf) while the other is bold with personality. You can pull moves from either to make them interesting. Bulk Up could be a gimmick for Inciniroar where he can boost his power for awhile but it's limited time and could have a draw back for example.
Also Isaac could do the Earth thing. Who's going to do the wrestler heel thing?
Palutena's individual character video at least made it seem like improvements have been made to her moveset. I certainly hope that's the case because Palutena needs some tweaks in Smash 4. You've already accomplished the goal of giving us a reasonable Ganondorf at long last Sakurai, keep it up and improve our favorite trollishly playful goddess.
Literally we could get Krookodile as our dirty fighter, that good enough for you? And Isaac is the furthest thing from a lock out of all “likely” characters.
Technically speaking, neither the "Wrestler Heel" thing or the "Earth" thing are actually required to be in the game. Sure both of them offer the characters that can use them some good moveset potential, which does seem to be a key factor in Sakurai choosing newcomers in at least some aspects.
But if we're being honest, The wrestler heel and the earth manipulator aren't things that have to be in Smash or else.
Character speculation threads are made for people who like a certain character to discuss why it should be in smash, not to pit one character against another. If you don't like a character please don't post on its thread just to generate discord in it.
At this time nothing that can be said will affect in the slightest to the pokemon chosen (if any), it has already been done a long time ago.
Literally we could get Krookodile as our dirty fighter, that good enough for you? And Isaac is the furthest thing from a lock out of all “likely” characters.
But let's be honest, Gen 5 isn't showing up unless that Gardevoir/Gothitelle leak comes true. Krookodile has almost no chance. Funny enough he could do both the dirty fighter as well as the earth thing. He'd take out both quotas.
So ya, Isaac is more likely to happen than Krookodile by all means. The Pokemon rep really is up in the air and pretty charged, the recent music upload also doesn't help since now the "Pokemon won't get a rep" theories could come true as well.
But from my personal viewing, if I was dealt both Lycanroc's and Incinroar's concepts for Smash, I'd easily take the charismatic tiger wrestler over the wolf. Rockruff was cute though, and I did try to use Lycanroc in Sun even though I feel his design is extremely bland... but he was terrible in combat and got dropped.
Technically speaking, neither the "Wrestler Heel" thing or the "Earth" thing are actually required to be in the game. Sure both of them offer the characters that can use them some good moveset potential, which does seem to be a key factor in Sakurai choosing newcomers in at least some aspects.
But if we're being honest, The wrestler heel and the earth manipulator aren't things that have to be in Smash or else.
One issue with Lycanroc is he could easily be Normal and not need a design change. You easily get "wrestling heel" out of Inciniroar as well as the fire.
Rockruff was cute though, and I did try to use Lycanroc in Sun even though I feel his design is extremely bland... but he was terrible in combat and got dropped.
For me it was the exact same but for Incineroar. Torracat was so cool... but then they ruined it by making him evolve into a bipedal wrestler instead of a badass looking tiger. But I guess we just have different opinions as to who is “bland”, everyone prefers different designs when it comes to Pokémon, and no design is the be-all-end-all (although anyone can agree Gothitelle isn’t the best design, or even close to that position). Now I actually hope we get Krookodile, he feels underrated for being one of the most solid gen 5 designs.
Lycanroc is more of a star in the anime, stop ignoring that fact. He also has good cards in the TCG, including both his GX(there’s 2 of those btw) and regular card variations (again, more than Incineroar has). He is just as good if not better than Incineroar in the games, having a much better move pool in general, featuring confusing moves like rock climb, flinching moves like rock slide, slowing moves like rock tomb, and let’s not forget that in general, it’s unprofessional to base what is highly marketed on personal preference. Also, I’m pretty sure when Masuda gave that answer he was asked about the starters specifically, not the entirety of Alola. Stop ignoring Lycanroc like he doesn’t exist, because he has left a pretty big mark regardless of what you think. While I agree that yes, Incineroar does have a good chance, that doesn’t mean it’s ok to completely ignore something that is that important.
I do believe there is some confusion here. Nobody is ignoring anything, the reason Lycanrock is not being discussed in the Incineroar thread is because this is the Incineroar thread. Talking about other characters just isn't relevant to the conversation, it doesn't mean any ill is aimed toward those not mentioned.
Now, if you want my personal view on Lycanrock's chances, I say it's quite good and one of the strongest Pokemon contenders. It's also heavily marketed, prominent in the show and has a good popularity. It's biggest hurdle would have to decide which one to go with.
Now, this is Incineroar's thread so I'm going to keep on supporting is possibility to be playable. I wish all competition the best of luck.
People always argue about moveset potential and never really go beyond surface level stuff. Ryu was the most boring and derivative character possible to most people - until he got in.
I'm not even /that/ hopeful about Incineroar being particularly unique (I'm mostly in it for the potential animations and wrestling callbacks he could bring), but that's mostly because newcomers this go around seem mostly basic, like how K.Rool was hailed to high heavens about his moveset potential, but he just looks like your typical heavyweight so far - and there ain't anything wrong with that.
I guess I'm rambling at this point, but it always annoys me people look at characters on a surface level and declare their uniqueness or whatever from there. Incineroar is generic because...he's a fighter? I ain't buying it, especially when he's specifically about a fighting style not really used by anyone else in the game. (Bowser's drop kick and lousy body slam doesn't make him a wrestler.) People say the same about Heihachi for being a martial artist when that dude legitimately has a built in wavedash.
My apologies for miscommunicating, there's no denying Lycanrock's role in the show. I was just listing the things that could help 'Roar be considered.
Also, just as Masuda mentioned Incineroar being his favorite, Iwao, the director of Sun/Moon, said Lycanrock was his favorite. Another favorable spot the two Pokemon share together.
Just gonna drop one tidbit about this whole debate.
IIRC, only one Gen 7 Pokemon had something who is very similar to Ash in its concept art, and it's Incineroar.
This gives an idea of not only how soon they plan for anime/movie stuff, but also that Incineroar himself was already planned to be a prominent figure in either the anime or a movie relatively early, and he eventually got both.
Now, this is by no means "proof" that Incineroar is the only option, but it does help him in particular since he was already planned to be relevant.
This gives an idea of not only how soon they plan for anime/movie stuff, but also that Incineroar himself was already planned to be a prominent figure in either the anime or a movie relatively early, and he eventually got both.
Now, this is by no means "proof" that Incineroar is the only option, but it does help him in particular since he was already planned to be relevant.
Although Ash does have a Torrocat... Couldn’t it be Kukui’s Incineroar instead, since he is the Masked Royale and has been shown using his Incineroar once without the alias in front of Faba. Maybe he might reveal himself to Ash in a future episode?
Although Ash does have a Torrocat... Couldn’t it be Kukui’s Incineroar instead, since he is the Masked Royale and has been shown using his Incineroar once without the alias in front of Faba. Maybe he might reveal himself to Ash in a future episode?
I don't watch the anime all that much, but honestly, what's happening for the anime is very likely some kind of character arc for Ash's Litten/Torracat.
It'll get stronger, train harder, grow into a better form, only for us to see the most glorious thing ever; an Incineroar ditto, with Ash's coming victorious,
It'll get stronger, train harder, grow into a better form, only for us to see the most glorious thing ever; an Incineroar ditto, with Ash's coming victorious,
I’m gonna list the elephant in the room: Pignite never evolved, so why should Torracat automatically have to? Don’t assume that something is going to happen when the rule of Ash’s ace being a starter was broken before (I believe Krookodile was his unova ace). Although, Incineroar versus Ditto would be pretty funny to watch. Though I feel if there was an Incineroar vs Ditto match it would feature Kukui’s.
I’m gonna list the elephant in the room: Pignite never evolved, so why should Torracat automatically have to? Don’t assume that something is going to happen when the rule of Ash’s ace being a starter was broken before (I believe Krookodile was his unova ace). Although, Incineroar versus Ditto would be pretty funny to watch.
...what does Pignite have to do with anything? Just cause he’s a fire starter?
A more apt comparison would be Greninja. A heavily marketed starter that grew stronger and had its own arc in the anime, leading from the weak Froakie to the powerful Greninja. It’s not too much of a stretch to think Litten to Incineroar plot line will follow suit.
I don't watch the anime all that much, but honestly, what's happening for the anime is very likely some kind of character arc for Ash's Litten/Torracat.
It'll get stronger, train harder, grow into a better form, only for us to see the most glorious thing ever; an Incineroar ditto, with Ash's coming victorious,
But the anime is on a hiatus right now until 10/7, so we’re not learning about it until potentially even after the SM Pokemon reveal. That and apparently Ash is also getting an Eevee (with a messy, covering eyes hairstyle) and Misty and Brock coming back. They’re going all in for LGPE. At least Hau is coming for the first time.
This is going to be one turn of events for the upcoming episodes.
While we’re on the subject of the anime, remember when Ash said he’d come back for Pidgeot but never did? He still hasn’t returned to it or mentioned it at all, he is probably the worst trainer ever.
There's always that Black Sheep in the family; the outcast that is often regarded as a disgrace. Of the Starter Pokémon from the Alola region, that Black Sheep is none other than Incineroar, the Heel Pokémon.
When the trio of fully evolved Starters were first leaked months before Pokémon Sun & Moon were released, they all received mixed reception, with poor Incineroar getting the worst of it due to his design. Common complaints were due to being a biped, having the build of a Fighting type (which many feared Incineroar would end up being yet another one of), and the admittedly ridiculous sized hands. While the official reveal of Incineroar being in Sun/Moon helped alleviate some of the fears with the reveal of being a Dark type instead of Fighting due to being based off a wrestling HEEL, it took some time for people to warm up to the tiger while his owl and sea lion companions had easier success at getting better reception.
.....not that Incineroar cares what people have to say about him; the "heat" that comes his way from negativity actually fuels his power and makes him stronger! If there were any Pokémon that would be known to drink the salty tears of his enemies as a refreshing beverage, it'd be this guy!
So why should he be in Smash? Because he was practically designed for it. He'd be Smash's first grappling-based fighter with several different wrestling techniques to be able to combo into such as the Tiger Swing and the Tiger Breaker (tentative name for that backbreaker in his concept art until I can properly translate what it's called), as well as dirty fighting techniques like spitting Embers into opponents' eyes to temporarily blind them, one of its signature moves Throat Chop (though I don't know how it would actually work in Smash context....), using unconventional weaponry like folding chairs and tables (another named technique in his concept art that I have yet to properly translate), and snaring opponents in Fire Spin traps fired from the flaming belt.
And of course, his main signature move, the Darkest Lariat.
Which leads to the special Z-Move (which functions like a Final Smash), Malicious Moonsault.
....just so goddamn awesome.
Anyways, if you think Incineroar shouldn't be in Smash for one reason or another.....
If you think he should, then I'll add your name to this support list:
Jab
First hit - A vertical chopping motion with his back paw. Second hit - A horizontal claw swipe with his front paw. "Gentleman" - A powerful palm strike with his back paw. A great "get off of me" move. Has a darkness effect. Infinite jab - A flaming twister coming out of his belt. Visual reference. Infinite finisher - His belt creates a flame in the shape of an open pair of teeth, which then chomps down on the opponent. About as good as his Gentleman. Based on the Fire Fang move. Visual reference.
Tilts and Dash
Forward tilt - He leans forward with both arms together and swipes, separating his claws on impact. The claws are a sweetspot that deals more damage (but the same knockback) and the only part of the move with a darkness effect. Based on the Cross Chop move. Up tilt - An overhead arcing swipe with his claws. The claws are a sweetspot that deals more damage (but the same knockback) and the only part of the move with a darkness effect. Down tilt - He performs a slap while crouching. Dash attack - He thrusts forward with an arm outstretched, then twists his claws. The claws are a sweetspot that deals more damage (but the same knockback) and the only part of the move with a darkness effect. Visual reference.
Smashes Forward smash - He rears back and makes a lunging elbow attack. Strong horizontal kill option. Can be tilted. Has a fire effect. Up smash - A powerful uppercut. Not as strong as his forward smash, but gets the job done. Has a fire effect. Visual reference. Down smash - He swipes his claws on both sides of his body, one at a time. His fastest, but weakest smash attack. Has a fire effect.
Grabs and Throws
Grab - He holds onto the opponent's head with his claws. Pummel - A punch to the opponent's gut. Forward throw - He throws the opponent in the air, then performs a palm strike to send them flying forward. The final strike has his hand glowing purple, giving it a darkness effect. Based on the Throat Chop move. Visual reference. Back throw - He grabs the opponent's legs, spins them around to lift them off of the ground, then releases them on the other side, tossing them backwards. His best throw for kills or simply sending opponents off the stage. Visual reference. Up throw - He holds the opponent upside down by the waist, then leaps into the air in a sitting position with the opponent's head between his legs. Spinning rapidly, slams the opponent headfirst into the ground. The impact sends them flying upward. Visual reference. Down throw - He lifts the opponent up over his shoulders, then slams them onto the ground. Can set up tech chases. Visual reference (first one only).
Aerials
Neutral air - He spreads his arms and legs out wide. Based on a wrestling move called the body press, but unlike a typical body press, it is not affected by gravity, mainly because it's not a down air here. Visual reference. Forward air - He swipes downward with his claws. The claws are a sweetspot that deals more damage (but the same knockback) and the only part of the move with a darkness effect. Back air - He turns around to perform a low-angled back slap, with his hand engulfed in darkness. Could work as a kill option. Visual reference. Up air - He swings his claws in an arch almost exactly like his up tilt. The claws are a sweetspot that deals more damage (but the same knockback) and the only part of the move with a darkness effect. Down air - An elbow drop. Works as a stall-then-fall meteor smash. Visual reference.
Neutral Special: Darkest Lariat
One of Incineroar's signature techniques. In Smash, it works as a chargeable move similar in fuction to Link's Spin Attack, becoming stronger the more you charge it. As the name implies, it allows him to perform a lariat with a darkness effect. Visual reference.Or alternatively...
Much like Spin Attack, you can't keep the charge and, due to it being a lariat, can't be reversed when unleashing it since it hits both sides anyway. Performing it in the air will put Incineroar into freefall. The attack has some startup and ending lag, but it's a strong KO option when fully charged, making it a move that's more suited for hard reads or shield breaks.
Side Special: Submission
A move that Incineroar doesn't really have in his move list, but given his wrestler motif and his moveset's design as a grappler, it remains a fitting move for him. It essentially works as a combination of command grabs that don't really follow the one-second limit for grabs in order for the move to properly work. Much like Marth's Dancing Blade, you can choose the follow-up you get using the B button and holding a directional input, giving you four different ways to extend the move. With that said, you need to have presice timing in order for the follow-up to work.
Initial grab - He throws his opponent upwards before he leaps towards them and, grabbing their legs, slams them to the ground. Visual reference. Aerial version - He only does the slam. Can work as a Ganoncide, but can be mashed out of by the opponent.
Neutral/Forward+B - He lifts his opponent one-handed, them slams their face to the ground. Twice. Doesn't require any timing for a follow-up, but as a tradeoff, deals very little damage. Visual reference. Back+B - He performs a headlock and crushes his opponent repeatedly, salutes with one arm and neck rides the opponent to the ground. The most damaging option, but also the one with the least forgiving timing for follow-ups. Visual reference. Up+B - He lifts the opponent with one hand and then slams them down to the ground. Twice. The second least damaging option, but has a forgiving timing for a follow-up to compensate. Visual reference. Down+B - He grabs the foe back up with one hand and slams them behind him. Twice. The fastest option. Damage and timing is in between that of Back+B and Up+B. Visual reference.
Neutral/Forward+B - He picks up the foe, flips them upside down, walks a bit and piledrives. Has very little knockback, setting up for tech chases. Visual reference. Back+B - He performs a waistlock before backward rolling into two German suplexes, followed by a Power Bomb. The most damaging option. Visual reference. Up+B - He jumps in the air, holding the opponent, them performs a rack hold before doing an Argentine backbreaker drop, throwing them off afterwards. The least damaging option, but can be followed up with an aerial, dash attack, etc. Visual reference. Down+B - He brutally slams the opponent to the ground. Twice. The second time strong enough to send them flying. The option with the most knockback. Visual reference.
For both the initial grab and the first follow-up, the proper timing for follow-ups is at the point where the opponent lands on the floor at the end of the command grab.
Up Special: Cross Chop
A simple recovery move in which Incineroar goes to a direction of the player's choosing. As he moves, he crosses its arms to form an "X". If he hits an opponent with his crossed arms, he will push them back with its hands, dealing a good amount of knockback. Visual reference.
The recovery range is similar to that of Wolf's Fire Wolf, but if an opponent gets in the way, the attack will happen early, stopping all momentum. Regardless of when the attack happens, it will put Incineroar into freefall.
Down Special: Bulk Up / Revenge
The down special divides itself in two moves; Bulk Up and Revenge.
The Bulk Up move is one that is defensive in nature. Incineroar flexes his body and a flame from his fire belt travels upwards over his torso, causing his muscles to thicken. In this state, he will receive super armor against the next attack that hits him, similarly to Ryu's Focus Attack. Visual reference.
In addition, by pressing B and holding directional input, Incineroar will be able to perform a command grab. This is the Revenge move, yet another move Incineroar doesn't normally have, but still kinda makes sense give how the move works. However, this only works as soon as Incineroar is hit during Bulk Up, essentially working like a manually-inputted command grab counter.
Neutral/Forward+B - He spins around his opponent, then performs a back drop. Both Incineroar and his opponent end up on the ground and are both in a tech chase situation. Visual reference. Back+B - He rolls backwards then throws his opponent off. By far the option with the most knockback. Visual reference. Up+B - He holds his opponent through the collar, spins them around above his head like a lasso and then slams them into the ground. Can set up combos. Visual reference (except he slams them in the same direction he grabbed them). Down+B - He grabs the opponent's arm and snaps it at the elbow, then turns them around and snaps the neck, then trips them up to the ground. Visual reference. Can set up tech chases. Visual reference (until 0:07).
He can also perform the command grabs in the air, but his options are much more limited, making it similar to Bowser's Koopa Klaw in Melee.
Neutral/Forward/Up+B - He performs a palm strike right at the opponent's gut, sending them forward. The Up+B version instead strikes the opponent's head, causing the angle to be more diagonally upward. Back/Down+B - He spins around before sending his opponent backward at a downwards angle. Despite said angle, it is not a meteor. Visual reference.
Final Smash: Malicious Moonsault
Incineroar initiates the Final Smash by making a pose. Anyone within a certain range, indicated by a sudden burst of flames, will be trapped into a cinematic Final Smash in which they are in the middle of a wrestling ring. Incineroar, jumping on one of the ring's corners, then leaps high in the air and performs a body press, landing on the opponents and causing an explosion. In other words, his Z-Move. Visual reference.
View attachment 164885 Up B: Throat Chop
A recovery move that acts as a command grab similar to Cap. Falcon's up B. The difference is that Incineroar throws the opponent downward and he does not kick back when he does.
View attachment 164887
Down B: Darkest Lariat
Acts similar to a grounded link's up b. Has some invincibility frames and is a good get off me tool. Can be charged to increase power and rpm.
View attachment 164889 Neutral B: Flamethrower
Unlike charizard or bowser's flamethower, this projectile will be a fast, powerful stream of fire. This move must be charged for 2-3 seconds before unleashing. It will deal multihit properties and has final strong hitbox. It travels the same distance of a pk fire and the hitboxes are active for 1-2 seconds.
Side B: Seismic Toss
Command grab and is basically a piledriver move like Bowser Bomb
View attachment 164894 Taunt: Bulk Up
This move gives Incineroar a temporary buff (think of deep breathing). The startup for this move is 3 seconds and cannot be canceled. The buff lasts for 7 seconds and gives incineroar the following: 20% knockback/damage reduction, 20% damage increase. Chargeable specials can be charged 20% faster too.
View attachment 164897 Fair: Cross Chop
Double slash attack with similar frame data to charizard's fair
Nair: Twirl
Quickly twirls in the air in a fetal position
Dair: Body Slam
Does a quick twirl in the air and quickly slams down with his stomach
Uair: Slash
Slashes in a wide circular arc above similar to Ike's new uair. Not as disjointed, but faster startup.
View attachment 164901 Fsmash: Throat Chop (punch variant)
Similar power and frame data to Ryu's Fsmash
Dsmash:
Similar to Bowser's new dsmash, slightly weaker and faster.
USmash:
Slashes high in the air with a small leap like megaman's utilt. Does the twirl as well.
Ftilt:
Quickly kicks forward like captain falcon's ftilt
Utilt:
Quickly punches both arms above his head as if doing a victory pose
Dtilt:
Sweeping leg kick like Ryu's dmash. Weaker and much less end endlag.
Jab: Fury Swipes
Simple 1-2-3 jab similar to Charizard's
Dthrow:
Suplex opponent to the ground but does not cause knockback (like Snake's dthrow)
You know, even though there's still a little debating happening (which is fair), it's nice to see things seem kind of chill with the Incineroar and Lycanroc supporters in this thread right now!
There's a lot about Heihachi that's mechanically interesting, but without straying off topic I'll just say one of his most prominent moves is a command dash that he can do repeatedly and quickly - and that itself fathered the term "wavedash".
...what does Pignite have to do with anything? Just cause he’s a fire starter?
A more apt comparison would be Greninja. A heavily marketed starter that grew stronger and had its own arc in the anime, leading from the weak Froakie to the powerful Greninja. It’s not too much of a stretch to think Litten to Incineroar plot line will follow suit.
Torracat absolutely will evolve because Litten's whole deal in the anime is a massive callback to Tiger Mask. Tiger Mask typically is an orphan, the first one was a heel with a penchant for fighting, turned face to financially support the orphanage he grew up in, and then one of the orphans took up the mantle because he was a massive fan. Sounds familiar? (Though, I think it's more accurate to say Ash's Litten wasn't a fan of Kukui's Incineroar, but more of an inspiration for him lol.)
I would like to point out that Vergeben claimed to have sources that a Castlevania compilation was on the way. HOWEVER, he said that it would have more games like Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth and that the compilation would be on Switch. But as you can see, the compilation is only of Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night, and it's PS4 exclusive. At long last, Vergeben can no longer be called 100% credible.
Does that mean bad news for Incineroar? Not exactly. Grown-up kitty Senketsu (with a 12.5% chance of being grown-up kitty Ryuko) still has a good amount of stuff going for him. None of which is rendered moot just because a leaker's luck has finally run out.
I would like to point out that Vergeben claimed to have sources that a Castlevania compilation was on the way. HOWEVER, he said that it would have more games like Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth and that the compilation would be on Switch. But as you can see, the compilation is only of Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night, and it's PS4 exclusive. At long last, Vergeben can no longer be called 100% credible.
Does that mean bad news for Incineroar? Not exactly. Grown-up kitty Senketsu (with a 12.5% chance of being grown-up kitty Ryuko) still has a good amount of stuff going for him. None of which is rendered moot just because a leaker's luck has finally run out.
Because it’s whatever source he has for the smash stuff has been correct about everything so far
There was only 1 so far that was wrong and that’s the one that said Isabelle is a echo but that doesn’t hurt him to much because he wasn’t sure if she’s echo or not
Because it’s whatever source he has for the smash stuff has been correct about everything so far
There was only 1 so far that was wrong and that’s the one that said Isabelle is a echo but that doesn’t hurt him to much because he wasn’t sure if she’s echo or not
He still has gotten things wrong before. Not just this Castlevania thing. There have been instances where he had incorrect sources and this is one of them. He is not infallible with Smash predictions.
I've only used Decidueye as my starter in my one playthrough of Moon and another of Ultra Moon, but I've come to like Incineroar's design and how he's basically a heel so it seems funny
Just because he was wrong about a Castlevania leak doesn't mean that it makes his Smash leaks no longer credible.
They're two different games handled by two different companies, very likely not in the same building either. He'd need a separate source than his Smash one to know the Castlevania game as much as Ultimate due to this, so being wrong about Castlevania couldn't possibly destroy his so far accurate Smash leaks.
With that said, his track record isn't the best, so assuming some stuff about his Ultimate leaks could be wrong is also not a bad option to take. Just don't take it only because he got literally a single thing wrong about his Ultimate leaks which wasn't even about the game itself or made by the same company to begin with.
He still has gotten things wrong before. Not just this Castlevania thing. There have been instances where he had incorrect sources and this is one of them. He is not infallible with Smash predictions.
I apologise for sounding rude, but why are you going through the trouble to discredit him? Everyone is aware of the possibility he can be making stuff up, I don't think anyone here is taking his word as gospel. We're just excited our character has a fighting chance to make it in, the "leak" is just a bonus.
of effect on the roster? This is something I see wavered back and forth on so heavily it's painful. When people point out that Decidueye has 0 presence in the anime in the past, it was a poor point cause Sakurai likely picked someone before the anime was going or even possibly that far in planning. Now that the Decidueye phase is over and people are trying to do everything in their power to shut down Incineroar (more so based on people's hatred of the leaks and theories), the anime is now the biggest pointer in the world. When I supported Mimikyu before his demise to the Pokeball world, people shunned his anime appearances as Jessie's pokemon and popularity that both would not matter. But suddenly it supports Lycanroc? And this is all ignoring Lycanroc's very plain and one note concept art paired with the question of how it'd use items like the guns.
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