Bummed....sorta

[Peeze]

Actually, you do switch drugs a lot when it comes to depression . It's like a super-fun rollercoaster of coloured pills, trying to find which gives the least debilitating side effects.

Never said you don't switch. Rather it's not as easy as switching from Tylenol to Aleve.

In general though, I wouldn't say taking any drug is the worst thing you can do to your body. Clearly, there's something wrong with your body already; not taking the drug results in more harm.

No no, not do to your body, put in your body.

 

[SuperBowser]

Never said you don't switch. Rather it's not as easy as switching from Tylenol to Aleve.

Toecutter never said it was a trivial matter either. I don't think he ever implied you can change it without visiting the doctor.

No no, not do to your body, put in your body.

Well this just comes down to a definition. Anything you put into your body that has an effect on the function or structure of your body is a drug. So by definition, vitamin C, is a drug. If I take vitamin C supplements I am not harming my body. It keeps what it needs, and excretes the excess.

 

[Jimnymebob]

Being Australian this thread's title is just hilarious to me.

I'm interested though... how is it that you were only SORT OF "bummed"?

This is the question that I want to know .

 

[OF 'til I OD]

Here:





I invite you to snort a kilo of salt-laden sodium saturated, trans fat saturated, cow piss flavored goat bile-dog ****, and then snort a kilo of cocaine and see which kills you faster.



Dude you don't just "switch" drugs like its freaking Tylenol. Do you know how (most) antidepressants work? By controlling(and manipulating) the level of cetain chemicals in your brain. Which in most cases helps, but ****ing with your brain is always dangerous. Pretty sure cow piss can't do that.

I never inferred it was you (Peeze) telling them they weren't allowed to take their medicine. It was an allusion. I'm asking you to put yourself in that situation, where you HAVE to not allow someone a medicine that benefits them, and in some cases keeps them alive.

As for the cocaine/goat bile, why must you choose such a hard drug? You're lumping ALL drugs into one category, which is stupid as hell. How about snorting the goat bile and then some anti-depressants? Not to mention, who would ever snort a kilo of anything?

Yes, I do know how anti-depressants work, and of course you don't just switch. You're on them for months at a time, and then there is a detoxification period where you come off the drugs, prior to be putting on new drugs. Like SuperBowser said, I never inferred any of these things. It's you who's making vast generalizations and lumping helpful pharmaceuticals in with illegal hard drugs.

 

[tmw_redcell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aWrhjTxpDs

 

[Peeze]

I never inferred it was you (Peeze) telling them they weren't allowed to take their medicine. It was an allusion. I'm asking you to put yourself in that situation, where you HAVE to not allow someone a medicine that benefits them, and in some cases keeps them alive.

As for the cocaine/goat bile, why must you choose such a hard drug? You're lumping ALL drugs into one category, which is stupid as hell. How about snorting the goat bile and then some anti-depressants? Not to mention, who would ever snort a kilo of anything?

Yes, I do know how anti-depressants work, and of course you don't just switch. You're on them for months at a time, and then there is a detoxification period where you come off the drugs, prior to be putting on new drugs. Like SuperBowser said, I never inferred any of these things. It's you who's making vast generalizations and lumping helpful pharmaceuticals in with illegal hard drugs.

Ok. I'm making generalizations. Tell me one thing worse than a drug to put into your body.

 

[Blackadder]

Bullets from the barrel of a twelve-gauge shotgun.

 

[marthanoob]

Ganon's foot.

 

[SuperBowser]

There was this one guy who got a piece of railtrack stuck in his head. Yeah. That probably sucked.

(you realize even food can count as a drug? it's kind of a pointless question)



edit: yay phineas gage.

 

[OF 'til I OD]

Bullets from the barrel of a twelve-gauge shotgun.

Ganon's foot.

There was this one guy who got a piece of railtrack stuck in his head. Yeah. That probably sucked.

(you realize even food can count as a drug? it's kind of a pointless question)



edit: yay phineas gage.

Thanks for having my back, pals.

And I had already mentioned something. Here's some others:

Asbestos
Inhalation of exhaust from a car
Gasoline
Oil
etc.

And once again, SuperBowser is correct in that most things could be considered a "drug". It depends upon your definition of the word, which you've yet to give.

<3 SuperBowser

 

[Peeze]

**** you all. I'm pretty sure i already said something edible that you put in your body. Of course the term "drug" is a wide umbrella term. Because changing the way your body works at all could be dangerous, always. Sure gas is edible, but who would the hell would drink gas? But this is going nowhere fast.

 

[SuperBowser]

Ok, tell me one thing better to put inside your body than a drug.

You can't live without any.

To sporkman below: It doesn't matter. Death is the worst outcome you get, therefore nothing can be better.

 

[Sporkman]

wa ter

 

[Peeze]

^i concur.

 

[Eor]

 

[Sporkman]

To sporkman below: It doesn't matter. Death is the worst outcome you get, therefore nothing can be better.

I fail to see how this is relevant. You asked what is better than a drug to put into your body, I gave you an answer.

 

[SuperBowser]

But... it's not better

Either way, my point was that the question is dumb.

And I'm going to take the cheap way out: Even water can count as a drug. There's even a case of a man who was so addicted to water that he drank himself to death.

 

[Peeze]

That doesn't make it a drug. That just makes that guy a dumb ***.

 

[Sporkman]

Food and water are not drugs. An addiction does not make something a drug.

Water is the most important thing you need, ergo, it is the best. Superlative. Nothing better.

 

[SuperBowser]

That doesn't make it a drug. That just makes that guy a dumb ***.

Then why don't you give your definition of a drug.

I already gave mine. Any substance that has an effect on the structure or function of the body. And food certainly meets that requirement.

Food and water are not drugs.

Just about any doctor will disagree with you.

 

[OF 'til I OD]

Any substance that has an effect on the structure or function of the body. And food certainly meets that requirement.

This is in actuality the only "correct" answer, which is sad since it's so vague. Any substance that alters normal bodily function (when absorbed, taken in, etc.) is a "drug". Of course there are different defintions when it comes to medicine, health, government protocols and regulations, etc.

Sure gas is edible, but who would the hell would drink gas? But this is going nowhere fast.

And? Who the hell would snort two pounds of coke at a time?

 

[SuperBowser]

This is in actuality the only "correct" answer, which is sad since it's so vague. Any substance that alters normal bodily function (when absorbed, taken in, etc.) is a "drug". Of course there are different defintions when it comes to medicine, health, government protocols and regulations, etc.

Thank you

It's becoming obvious Peeze doesn't know what he's talking about now...

 

[Nintendood]

It's funny how something that happened to me at school turned into a "Are drugs ok" debate.

i can just smell the lawlz.

and the WTF's.

 

[ranmaru]

Are the drugs ok? Depends how I stand morally. Good for my body? NO. Do I care? Maybe not. Am I clean? Yes I am. Should I get dirty? I don't know. Do I have better things to do? Yes, for example, play smash.

Heh.

 

[Rigor Mortis]

Im gonna revive this thread 0.o


My catholic school teacher freaking thinks i do smoke marijuana and drink liqour

We wake up 7 am in the god **** morning do you think im gonna look like a million bucks happy and jittery? I told her off later and so did my parents because she was talking about how I do all the bad stuff, while the other students freaking drink are in gangs and smoke......

 

[Peeze]

Then why don't you give your definition of a drug.

I already gave mine. Any substance that has an effect on the structure or function of the body. And food certainly meets that requirement.

Your own "teammate" in this debate gave a better definition:

Any substance that alters normal bodily function (when absorbed, taken in, etc.) is a "drug".

Water does not alter your body's natural functions, being over half of your body is water, your calling yourself a drug. Or if i go swimming your saying I'm swimming in drugs. That's why kids are hooked on drugs, its the freaking swimming pools man!

Clearly you have no idea what your talking about.

 

[OF 'til I OD]

Water does not alter your body's natural functions, being over half of your body is water, your calling yourself a drug. Or if i go swimming your saying I'm swimming in drugs. That's why kids are hooked on drugs, its the freaking swimming pools man!

Clearly you have no idea what your talking about.

I never said water was a drug. I don't know if you were saying that in my direction or not, but since I was quoted last it seemed that way somewhat.

 

[Peeze]

No that was to SuperBowser who said water was a drug.

Sidenote:who's that in your avy?

 

[Sporkman]

Just about any doctor will disagree with you.

I don't have to say anything substantial here because obviously Toecutter and Peeze have got my back, (thanks guys, you mean the world to me

) but Toecutters definition matches that of the WHO, so I think most Doctors would agree with me, actually.

 

[SuperBowser]

Err, water alters your body's function. Too little = dehydration. Too much = fluid overload. People can and do die from too much water. People can and commonly do die from too little water.

Of course it meets the definition.

edit: hell, there's even people allergic to water.

I actually think I'm being too kind at this point. If you guys think water doesn't play a part in normal bodily function, you are just plain stupid.

 

[Sporkman]

You are correct about the effects of water consumption and lack of.

Here is the WHO definition of a 'drug':
"A drug, broadly speaking, is any chemical substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function."

Water does not meet that. Whilst I'm not 100% on the technicalties of water being a chemical, it does not alter normal bodily function.

 

[SuperBowser]

If you drink too much water you will die.

This concept isn't difficult. Use some common sense, please.

 

[Sporkman]

That does not make it a drug.

Large intake of heroin can kill you, but that isn't what makes it a drug.

 

[OF 'til I OD]

it does not alter normal bodily function.

Actually in large enough doses, it can. Water intoxication can occur, and that yields many risk factors and symptoms. It also can cause Hyponatremia, which isn't related to the intoxication, but it's caused by water, due to therethen being an imbalance of electrolytes (too many), and too little sodium in your body.

Not to mention urination is obviously part of your normal bodily function, but a side effect of drinking water is increased urination, which is altering your body (e.g. urinating more frequently than you would if you didn't drink water [i.e. got it indirectly through milk, juices, soda, etc.] or drank less).

There's also people who are proponents of the thought that drinking cold water raises metabolism, because the body then must work harder to regulate it's temperature.

It's fair to say water alters bodily function, but I agree with you on the statement (by my definition, likely yours, the WHO) that water wouldn't be a drug. However, SuperBowser seems to have a different definition of the word, which is completley fine.

Sidenote:who's that in your avy?

Ben Gibbard (lead singer of Death Cab and The Postal Service, though he's done work with other varoius indie bands)

 

[JLynn943]

moral of thread, yay drugs?

 

[_Phloat_]

Maybe you need more sleep?

(The drug discussion was interesting too >__>)

 

[SuperBowser]

Thank you again Toecutter. The fact that drinking too much kills you is enough proof it is doing something to your normal body's function . Just because it doesn't have a fancy name or branding by some pharmaceutical company doesn't mean it can't meet the requirements (though this hasn't been used as an argument). That's just an arbritary line.

If you don't mind me asking though, what is different about the WHO definition, because I've never come across a problem? Aside from being essential to body chemistry, it has a medical indication - dehydration. One of the commonest problems in the world! Keeping patients hydrated is something every doctor in a hospital will worry about.

This is the WHO description I found and water still fits the bill nicely:

''A term of varied usage. In medicine, it refers to any substance with the potential to prevent or cure disease or enhance physical or mental welfare, and in pharmacology to any chemical agent that alters the biochemical physiological processes of tissues or organisms. Hence, a drug is a substance that is, or could be, listed in a pharmacopoeia. In common usage, the term often refers specifically to psychoactive drugs, and often, even more specifically, to illicit drugs, of which there is non-medical use in addition to any medical use. Professional formulations (e.g. "alcohol and other drugs") often seek to make the point that caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, and other substances in common non- medical use are also drugs in the sense of being taken atleast in part for their psychoactive effects.''

 

[Azua]

It's funny how something that happened to me at school turned into a "Are drugs ok" debate.

Yeah, seriously.


Fail.