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Tonic_Sonic said:
ye jekyll i agree, not good to spread the negative energy around, but this kid is actin like hes the best non wave dasher in the world, and i could probably whoop him up and down.

i also dont like to wave dash or use any of that technical stuff.
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see there is nothing wrong w/ that, just dont complain because u r too lazy to learn it (not u tonic, im talking to zombie). If u dont want to use advanced techs that is completely ok.
 
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Tonic_Sonic said:
ye jekyll i agree, not good to spread the negative energy around, but this kid is actin like hes the best non wave dasher in the world, and i could probably whoop him up and down.

i also dont like to wave dash or use any of that technical stuff.
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I can understand why that might upset you, but I've run into at least a dozen people, some who used "advanced techs" and some who didn't, that thought they were the best at the game. It's not an uncommon thing.

What IS uncommon is when afterwards they actually admit defeat and decide to as for advice instead of whining and making excuses("you exploit a glitch, yadayadayada").

I just think our community is way too big and far too recognized for it's growing number of players and activity to have THIS kind of bickering going on.
 
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Omg, I think we've found the biggest failure for an excuse to thread of the year. Not only does the guy troll about wavedashing (for 19 friggin' pages!), he also prooves that he would suck if he learned to exploit it.

Tell me ONE point where that Luigi use wavedash to his advantage.
 
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Jekyll said:
Zombie, how long have you been playing?
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since THE DAY THE GAME CAME OUT AND I SUCK??? HAHAHA, YOU GUYS DONT EVEN KNOW I WAS JUST TIRED IN THAT MATCH BUT I CAN DO ALL KINDS OF COMBOS THAT YOU WOULDNT EVEN DREAM OF!

TIME TO GET A NEW BRAIN GUYS CAUSE YOUR OLD ONES ARE OLD!!!
 
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I said fairly decent. You can interpret that as you wish. He clearly understands how Luigi works, even if he's obviously a little lacking in the experience department. He just needs to work on his gameplay.
 
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Zephyr said:
Honestly, if he wanted to learn, I would be HAPPY to teach this kid. Seriously. But it just looks like he doesn't want to learn. *shrugs*
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since THE DAY THE GAME CAME OUT AND I SUCK??? HAHAHA, YOU GUYS DONT EVEN KNOW I WAS JUST TIRED IN THAT MATCH BUT I CAN DO ALL KINDS OF COMBOS THAT YOU WOULDNT EVEN DREAM OF!

TIME TO GET A NEW BRAIN GUYS CAUSE YOUR OLD ONES ARE OLD!!!
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Quod errat demonstrandum, I suppose. Oh well, it was a nice idea to think about.
 
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I'm glad they're taking glitches out of brawl. If there is a glitch people can exploit to have an advantage over players who don't know about said glitch then I agree that it should definately be taken out.
 
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ye after watching some more of that luigi he is aight, but no need to criticize him, he aint that bad.
 
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We don't WANT it for the advantage it gives us over players who don't know about it...we want it for the advantage it gives us over players who USE it. What's more, there are whole sections of this site devoted to TEACHING people how to use said techniques.

We do our best to teach people; some just don't want to learn. That's just their own **** fault.
 
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God****. Nobody forces you to wavedash. Play against like-minded people, but don't try to take something away from people that enjoy it.
 
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ZombieBite said:
since THE DAY THE GAME CAME OUT AND I SUCK??? HAHAHA, YOU GUYS DONT EVEN KNOW I WAS JUST TIRED IN THAT MATCH BUT I CAN DO ALL KINDS OF COMBOS THAT YOU WOULDNT EVEN DREAM OF!

TIME TO GET A NEW BRAIN GUYS CAUSE YOUR OLD ONES ARE OLD!!!
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So wait...you've been playing for years, you know "all kinds of combos that (we) wouldn't even dream of," and you can't wait to whoop up on some wavedashing be-hind when brawl comes out...but you just created an account today?

Seriously, if I find out that this type of stuff is coming from moderators and pros who get bored and decide to do this on an alternate account, I'm going to hurt somebody...after I die laughing.

But back on topic...How can you be the best if you can't even beat a luigi that doesn't know how to (effectively) wavedash? Just because he was doing it doesn't mean that he "knows how to USE it," and it sure as hell wasn't why he beat you. Not to bash him or anything...he's off to a good start, he just has a bit further to go. I consider myself a "decent" luigi, nothing special. But he's got a little work to do before he gets there.
 
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Zephyr said:
We don't WANT it for the advantage it gives us over players who don't know about it...we want it for the advantage it gives us over players who USE it. What's more, there are whole sections of this site devoted to TEACHING people how to use said techniques.

We do our best to teach people; some just don't want to learn. That's just their own **** fault.
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Topic ended.

Because really, this is what it boils down to, the fact that anti-advanced tech players believe it is all a plot to keep them down.

YOU DON'T MATTER TO US. WE CHOOSE TO PLAY OUR WAY, AND YOU CHOOSE YOURS. YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT AND NOBODY CARES ABOUT PLAYING YOU. NOTHING HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
 
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lol sorry zombybite, they already figured out some "cheap" advanced techniques you wont particularly like. you should go read about L cancelling Mario Back Air and Ink Dropping :-P

I just dont even understand what your point is.

Should wavedashing not be allowed in competative play due to it being a supposed "bug". Wavedashing being a bug is up for debate, but lets assume it IS a bug, is your point that it should be out of the game because its a bug and for no other reason?

With that in mind, if Wavedashing were intentionally implemented into brawl, would you still believe it shouldnt be allowed to be used?

If so, then are you stating that "cheap" moves should be left out of the game, and if so why do you have such hatred for those who wavedash when things such as infinate stalls (still in the game), chain grabbing (still in the game), and Ice climbers infinate grab (hopefully...not...still in the game), are considerably more cheap?

I used to play smash brothers my own game, and i liked it a lot, and a while back i came over here and started reading about the advanced techniques, and im significantly better than i was before. I rarely wavedash, and many fights i dont even wavedash at all, but i can guaruntee you that i could easily beat my former self simply due to learning things like recovery tricks, DI tricks, and good edgeguarding. The smash brothers community is not all about the wavedash. Many people here could beat you without using wavedash, and for that matter without using more than 4 moves. and that is nothign against you because they could do the same to me.
 
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LMAO

HAHAHAHA

This is too good.

I think I just died of laughter. We've all been had. Badly. XD
 
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You guys have no idea how long it took me to find a video bad enough to do the build up justice :laugh:
 
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yo, i aint anti advanced tech players, i just find that **** hard to do.

i just looked up some guides on this on how to do it and i cant do it consistently. whenever i try to L-Cancel it keeps my shield up for a tick and just sort of cancels out the purpose of the L-Cancel.

im gettin a lil better at wave dashin tho.
 
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That Luigi was half-decent then, eh? That's cool, I used to actually be somewhere around that skill level. Never taught myself to spot-dodge, but I had some more aggressive edge-guarding and a few combos here and there... aah, good times, good times...
SmirkySmirker said:
I'm glad they're taking glitches out of brawl. If there is a glitch people can exploit to have an advantage over players who don't know about said glitch then I agree that it should definately be taken out.
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As the thread seems to have cooled down a bit ( well, except for a certain person's head ), I'll go ahead and say that I agree to an extent.
If one player doesn't even know about the "glitch" ( in most cases, they aren't glitches at all ), then it's rather unfair to use the tricks against them, as they can't have any idea how to defend against that. That takes the fun out of the game.
What comes after that, though, is important.
The one who knows the technique should not just laugh at the other and call him a n00b, and the other player should, if he really wants to compete against someone who uses such tricks, not just whine about how unfair it is, but practice to learn the techniques himself. They are open books after all, there are thousands of guides everywhere.

Really, if everyone managed to show some respect for others, there wouldn't be problems in the first place.
"Wow, John, how did you do that?"
"It's wavedashing, Jim, I do it by airdodging into the ground before even leaving it!"
"That's cool, but I don't want to have to learn that in order to have a fair match with you!"
"Okay!"

Happiness ensues.

... yeah, I live in a happy little world.


EDIT: Aaah, so you weren't serious after all? Okay.
 
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Why would MIC 128 do something like this?

No, it's definitely Gimpy.

LOL

"I can do all sorts of combos that you can't even dream of"

SO TRUE. XD
 
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Ok Zombie, i watched your videos... Wow, just wow. The luigi was pretty bad, but he wasnt terrible. I play luigi for fun and im betetr than that one. You...just no. I dont even respect your opinions any more. Without wavedashing i could EASILY defeat u with pichu(im ok with pichu i guess :-P). That was pretty embarrasing, i thought u might be pretty good, maybe as good as one of my non WDing friends, but i guess i was wrong. Lol, close this thread, i dont think anyone needs to argue with him anymore :p
 
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ZombieBite said:
Oh sweet Jesus I can't wait for Brawl, and yunno why? Besides the obvious tons of characters and stages and improved gameplay, they fixed some annoying bugs in Melee that allowed people, who exploited them, to have an advantage in battle against those who didn't exploit them.

I can't wait to beat down some wavedashers who can't get a grip on how the game is actually played until I teach them first hand online. They'll be like "but wuuuuuuuuh? i cant move twice as fast and chain simple air moves over and over again into ridiculous combos deeeeeeruuuuuuuuh???"

This'll be fun.
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What about things like short hopping, Cancelling (which is in brawl) , spacing, mindgames, speed, combo knowledge based on character weight and damage percentage, approach, knowing when to use which move, range, sweetspots, playing to win, edgeguarding, knowing how to use your shield intelligently, thinking, strategising, winning.

Wavedashing is nice, but its really not the be all end all of a good smasher, you are being ignorant sir.
 
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Because, Tonic Sonic, there are indeed no johns worthy of coming out of any of our mouths. =D

Also, you'll get L-canceling and WDing down eventually if you work toward them. I don't find Falco that fun myself, but if he's for you then L-canceling is absolutely VITAL to your play. Trust me on that one.
 
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Tonic_Sonic said:
why do people keep saying no johns and 10 chars?
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"No johns" = "don't make **** up and take your loss like a man"
10 chars = evading the 10 character minimum on posts


Also, I'm going to say this here and now:

Gimpyfish:Melee:Magikarp
Gimpyfish:Brawl:Gyarados


I hope Smirky still replies, though.
 
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