Brawl might not have that many characters

[Darkurai]

You may be thinking that the icons could shrink to make room. That is a possibility. But keep in mind that never happened with Melee.

That's because IIRC, there was never actually a Melee demo. It was the actual game.

 

[~Onslaught~]

hmmm firstly you don't know that just because characters who aren't in melee and have been revealed doesn't make them secret characters,

secondly there is a possibility for alot more characters not because of your stupid design but you could be able to scroll up or scroll across to choose more characters

And finally this ' BRAWL' not Melee so stop comparing the two games...Brawl is constantly trying to improve from melee so don't compare the games on what you've seen on a that demo and if you're going by the theory that the characters on the demo are starter characters then your trying to zelda is a secret character which is just stupid.

Oh well you might as well close this thread because it's stupid

 

[Hellbeing]

you do realize that was a demo?

 

[WarMachine]

Or we could consider the radical idea that the select screen shown at e for all is nothing like the real one... since, you know... it was a demo.

 

[DraginHikari]

He has revealed more than 1 character per week since the website started!
Look at the facts.

Its not once every 2 weeks its more than once per week.
And BTW it would be impossible for him to reveal everything enless he did a quadruple update from now til the date.

and btw there will be 40-50 characters. I have proof.

Yet, there's no proof in your post now is there?

 

[shipoffools]

sigh. people can guess and speculate and argue all they want, but the fact is until sakurai says on the dojo how many characters we have, no one knows. no matter how educated your guess is.

 

[pure_awesome]

This thread is hilarious...

Every 3 days minimum, somebody comes out with a thread spreading pessimism.
What makes yours different from the rest of the trolls?

Sakurai is not revealing all the characters on the site before launch. It would spoil things
for a lot of people.

How come as soon as someone pointed out that Melee's cast was not revealed before the
game's release, you immediately changed your theory to "but Brawl might" just to continue
with this meaningless and mindless pessimism? How do you sleep at night? Is the world going
to break out into nuclear war this evening? When someone confirms it isn't, are you still going
to say "Well it might"? Dude, things like this just aren't worth worrying about at all, because
it's BEYOND YOUR CONTROL. If you don't want to buy the game because you think 30 characters
is "pathetic", DON'T. Nobody's stopping you. This game has all the features in the world, and like
all 6 of my childhood heroes appearing in the same game without a single lawyer in sight.
Isn't that enough? How about stagebuilder, enough now? Online multiplater anyone?
Co-operative story mode? Or even a story mode at all? What about recording matches.
Oh, and you can send them to friends as well? How on EARTH can you say this game even BEGINS
to lack content? I'd buy the ****ing game if they released it with ONLY THE THINGS REVEALED ON
THE DOJO AT THE MOMENT!

your kind is not wanted here, nor is useless pessimism.

This post is directed at all useless pessimists here on this board.

And should have finished with this.

 

[TheDownSyndromeKid]

Quick question (and i'm sorry to ask it, I looked elsewhere and didn't find the answer within 10 mins)
The first few posts mention Sheik as an additional confirmed but not officially dojo announced character (alongside ganondorf and luigi).
Is Sheik no longer the other half of Zelda? What does that mean exactly? I was assuming since Zelda was announced that that meant Zelda+Sheik, same as melee.

 

[pure_awesome]

Quick question (and i'm sorry to ask it, I looked elsewhere and didn't find the answer within 10 mins)
The first few posts mention Sheik as an additional confirmed but not officially dojo announced character (alongside ganondorf and luigi).
Is Sheik no longer the other half of Zelda? What does that mean exactly? I was assuming since Zelda was announced that that meant Zelda+Sheik, same as melee.

It means nothing. Some people think because someone happened to mention designing a Sheik model, that Sheik is automatically her own character, and others think it automatically means it confirms her as Zelda's Down B.

For all we know, Sheik is an Assist Trophy now. For all we know, they designed a model for her, but took her out of the finished game, like they did with Pit in Melee. It's all speculation, nobody knows anything for sure. People just like to talk like they do.

 

[Xsyven]

Dogenzaka sure is annoying.


wtf. I edited this into a huge epic post, but it didn't save. Oh well.

 

[LavisFiend]

I don't know what's more annoying, the fact that we have a MOTHERLOAD OF CONTENT and there is still crying...

or, the fact that this speculation has no ground.

Hmm...

 

[pure_awesome]

Definitely, definitely the crying. By far. For me, anyway.

 

[Anther]

Content? no way. Monotnous spacing battles... Perhaps :x.

 

[Dogenzaka]

I don't really get how this is a 'lack of content' so to speak...

Well I originally had a gripe about the stages but then I found a more accurate screen that clearly had space for all of them.

Why can't people understand that that is a DEMO, seriously ever heard about resizing?

Holy ****, do you not read? We know it's a demo, the thing is, they might NOT resize them, considering MELEE didn't resize them at all.

Thread fails.

I'm so tired of idiots saying this. Threads do not fail, ok? This is speculation. I have the right to discuss it here. If you don't like it, leave.

1. Sakurai doesn't/won't reveal everything by the game's release. It makes no sense, it completely destroys the surprise factor of finding out unannounced stuff by yourself.

Yet he has no hesitation to announce secret characters in the Dojo Updates?

2. Melee's icons from its demo were the same size as the final version, but that was 6 years ago on an old console.

Irrelevant. Development and evolution of game consoles has nothing to do with the capability of being or not being able to change an icon's size. If anything, Melee had 10 months for development. Since Brawl has had over 2 years, perhaps they finalized the icon sizes long ago, since they've had more time?

It wouldn't be hard at all to resize them now, especially when people like you think they wouldn't and they could only fit a couple more characters in there and then BAM! surprise! they get smaller and fit many more characters and you = OH SHI-.

BAM! Wow! That could happen! But oh jeez, it didn't happen before! So it's safer to assume it might not over the chance that it might!

Also the demo's interface could have been designed/altered especially for it, again not hard at all in this age.

If they needed a 1 and a half month delay, chances are, their schedules are tight, and they wouldn't bother creating a special interface for the demo.

3. Expecting 50 characters and 60 stages or something like that is ridiculous and stupid.

Good because I don't lol.

4. Brawl will no lack any sort of content, it will be the ultimate Nintendo fanservice game.

K well when the game comes out you have the right to make definitive statements like that, because right now, it's all possibility.

Its not once every 2 weeks its more than once per week.

I think I said once every other week. Which means, one week a character reveal, one week no character reveal, one week a character reveal, etc.

 

[Tobi-]

Holy ****, do you not read? We know it's a demo, the thing is, they might NOT resize them, considering MELEE didn't resize them at all

Go back and read what SSJ4Kazuki wrote.

Every 3 days minimum, somebody comes out with a thread spreading pessimism. What makes yours different from the rest of the trolls?

Sakurai is not revealing all the characters on the site before launch. It would spoil things for a lot of people, really not helping sales. Melee didn't do this either. They released unlockables after the game's release.

How come as soon as someone pointed out that Melee's cast was not revealed before the game's release, you immediately changed your theory to "but Brawl might" just to continue with this meaningless and mindless pessimism? How do you sleep at night? Is the world going to break out into nuclear war this evening? When someone confirms it isn't, are you still going to say "Well it might"? Dude, things like this just aren't worth worrying about at all, because it's BEYOND YOUR CONTROL. If you don't want to buy the game because you think 30 characters is "pathetic", DON'T. Nobody's stopping you. This game has all the features in the world, and like all 6 of my childhood heroes appearing in the same game without a single lawyer in sight. Isn't that enough? How about stagebuilder, enough now? Online multiplater anyone? Co-operative story mode? Or even a story mode at all? What about recording matches. Oh, and you can send them to friends as well? How on EARTH can you say this game even BEGINS to lack content? I'd buy the ****ing game if they released it with ONLY THE THINGS REVEALED ON THE DOJO AT THE MOMENT!

God **** it, now you've made me mad.

I know you're not going to read that post, especially since it was a massive rant, but look here Dogenzaka Hill, your kind is not wanted here, nor is useless pessimism.

This post is directed at all useless pessimists here on this board.

he pretty much ended this thread.

 

[pure_awesome]

Holy ****, do you not read? We know it's a demo, the thing is, they might NOT resize them, considering MELEE didn't resize them at all.

And they MIGHT decide to recolor Sonic bright pink and give Mario a fedora. But if I made a thread about that, that would just be ridiculous.

I'm so tired of idiots saying this. Threads do not fail, ok? This is speculation. I have the right to discuss it here. If you don't like it, leave.

Hell no. We have the right to defend the sanctity of the forum just as you have the right to make ludicrous pessimistic threads because you're bored.

Yet he has no hesitation to announce secret characters in the Dojo Updates?

Prove it. No joke. Prove it. Sonic and Snake are secret characters says who? Everyone keeps throwing this around like it's fact, but I haven't been able to find ANYTHING where Sakurai explicitly states that all third party characters will be secret. It wouldn't even make any sense have Snake unlockable at this point.

Irrelevant. Development and evolution of game consoles has nothing to do with the capability of being or not being able to change an icon's size. If anything, Melee had 10 months for development. Since Brawl has had over 2 years, perhaps they finalized the icon sizes long ago, since they've had more time?

There. So we know they have the ability. But OBVIOUSLY, because they didn't do it for Melee, they won't do it for Brawl.

BAM! Wow! That could happen! But oh jeez, it didn't happen before! So it's safer to assume it might not over the chance that it might!

DEFINITELY! It's also safe to assume that Sonic won't be in the game, because he wasn't in Melee! But wait, you're an idiot!

Oh, but I forgot. They might. I guess your iron-clad argument just destroys all logic and reason.

 

[Dogenzaka]

sigh. people can guess and speculate and argue all they want, but the fact is until sakurai says on the dojo how many characters we have, no one knows. no matter how educated your guess is.

Very true. It doesn't hurt to speculate however.

I know you're not going to read that post, especially since it was a massive rant, but look
here Dogenzaka Hill, your kind is not wanted here, nor is useless pessimism.

Looks like someone is angry. I might have to report for flaming.
Also, my kind is certainly accepted here as long as I don't break any rules. Tough love.

How come as soon as someone pointed out that Melee's cast was not revealed before the
game's release, you immediately changed your theory to "but Brawl might" just to continue with this meaningless and mindless pessimism?

Because that was just one factor while there are many others, not including the fact that Sakurai has no hesitation to reveal secret characters right now. He's doing it.

How do you sleep at night? Is the world going
to break out into nuclear war this evening? When someone confirms it isn't, are you still going
to say "Well it might"?

Irrelevant to Smash Bros..?

Dude, things like this just aren't worth worrying about at all, because
it's BEYOND YOUR CONTROL.

Perhaps I'm not worrying, perhaps I'm just bringing something to attention, so that people know I called it later? lol.

If you don't want to buy the game because you think 30 characters
is "pathetic", DON'T.

I don't like that Metroid Prime 3 didn't have online multiplayer, does it mean I didn't buy it? No.

I like the game. A small roster disappoints me, but that doesn't mean the game wouldn't be fun to me.

This game has all the features in the world, and like
all 6 of my childhood heroes appearing in the same game without a single lawyer in sight.

Note: Your heroes.

How about stagebuilder, enough now? Online multiplater anyone?
Co-operative story mode? Or even a story mode at all? What about recording matches.
Oh, and you can send them to friends as well? How on EARTH can you say this game even BEGINS
to lack content? I'd buy the ****ing game if they released it with ONLY THE THINGS REVEALED ON
THE DOJO AT THE MOMENT!

Meeeeeeeeeeeh I don't know about that last statement right there. lol.

God **** it, now you've made me mad.

Fine. It's immature when one gets mad simply because another poses a different perspective to a different side of the argument, and one is offended because of this new take on the discussion.

he pretty much ended this thread.

Quite the opposite. He pretty much provided bait for enormous amount of flaming that I'm sure will entail here sooner or later and get my thread closed. Pity.

And they MIGHT decide to recolor Sonic bright pink and give Mario a fedora. But if I made a thread about that, that would just be ridiculous.

Naw. It's your speculation.

Prove it. No joke. Prove it. Sonic and Snake are secret characters says who? Everyone keeps throwing this around like it's fact, but I haven't been able to find ANYTHING where Sakurai explicitly states that all third party characters will be secret

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=38255492

"#251-260: Sakurai will make Snake (and all other guest, i.e. 3rd party, characters) into an unlockable character. Sakurai will also eventually reveal all the secret characters (most likely what he did when melee was released: give details on a single starting character every week until release, then after release, give details on one secret character every week until they've all been done)."

There. So we know they have the ability. But OBVIOUSLY, because they didn't do it for Melee, they won't do it for Brawl.

No, but he had a pretty clean character screen there. If they've been working on the game for 2 years, chances are, I think, they finalized the character select screen a while ago. You might be right though.

DEFINITELY! It's also safe to assume that Sonic won't be in the game, because he wasn't in Melee! But wait, you're an idiot!

Mmmm no. And don't call me an idiot.
You forgot the fact that May 2006, third-party characters were revealed to be a possibility, and Sonic was the most requested. Therefore, the chances were against him to NOT be in the game.

 

[BigRick]

wtf man?

I hate the Brawl boards...

 

[PITforREV]

I think everyone saying, oh 30 characters is perfectly fine wiht me blah blah blha....You cant ACTUALLY say you'd be happy with 30 characters....35 is acceptable but nothign lower.

Second of all does anyone have a pic of melee's demo character selection screen???

just for comparison purposes.

 

[Frogla]

Ok kid you cant eat your cake and crap on it too! Well maybe you could, but it probably wouldn't taste that good. Either you compare it to melee by saying he wont resize the images. So if that is the case then his MO (mode of operation) would be too not reveal the secret charachters. Revealing the 3rd party's so the other company's get sega/konami/capcom fanboys into brawl.

Or on the other hand you could admit that this game is a new game and say he can do whatever he want with the flippin icons. And just because they are big does not mean he wont resize them unlike melee. And since its a new game he can reveal the unlockables before release. So kid pick your journey. Either way your wrong.

It seems that there are many people in this world who are infected with a common case of dumb. Really its not that hard to put the pieces together.

 

[wisewaters]

First off, your title gives the people here the wrong impression. It really sounded like you were complaining that there was no stuff to do in brawl. But how can you say that with trophies, stickers, special brawl, tourneys, classic, stage builder, snapshots, video recording and the Subspace Emissary around?

And too many characters isn't nessesary for me. He could of just done 10 and I would of been satisfied. There's other things to look at besides just characters, you know.

 

[Dogenzaka]

I think everyone saying, oh 30 characters is perfectly fine wiht me blah blah blha....You cant ACTUALLY say you'd be happy with 30 characters....35 is acceptable but nothign lower.

Yeah hahah XD.

Or on the other hand you could admit that this game is a new game and say he can do whatever he want with the flippin icons. And just because they are big does not mean he wont resize them unlike melee. And since its a new game he can reveal the unlockables before release.

I do realize this. I'm just comparing the odds XD there's no reason why he would make the icons big for the demo and then squeeze them down, unless that was a game mechanic! Like where the icons shrink as you gain characters, you know what I mean? XD

Either way your wrong.

Fallible. You can't tell me I'm wrong with speculation on something that hasn't occurred yet.

First off, your title gives the people here the wrong impression.

I just realized that and I'm changing it now.

And too many characters isn't nessesary for me. He could of just done 10 and I would of been satisfied. There's other things to look at besides just characters, you know.

Right, well, for you. For me, it's always been important to have a lot of characters XD.

 

[Frogla]

Yeah hahah XD.



I do realize this. I'm just comparing the odds XD there's no reason why he would make the icons big for the demo and then squeeze them down, unless that was a game mechanic! Like where the icons shrink as you gain characters, you know what I mean? XD
Who says they even have to shrink. they can start out as small as they need to be. Nintendo knows people will count the spaces of the demo a presume a number.


Fallible. You can't tell me I'm wrong with speculation on something that hasn't occurred yet.
I believe i did, just watch the site, brawl will have more than 30 charachters. I would bet my 2 front teeth.


I just realized that and I'm changing it now.



Right, well, for you. For me, it's always been important to have a lot of characters XD.

Response in red

 

[Dogenzaka]

Who says they even have to shrink. they can start out as small as they need to be. Nintendo knows people will count the spaces of the demo a presume a number.

Lol they do? NOA hardly knew what Ratchet and Clank was, and let Luigi slip. But who knows? XD

I believe i did, just watch the site, brawl will have more than 30 charachters. I would bet my 2 front teeth.

There might be, but I'm saying, you can't definitively say I'm wrong on something that hasn't happened >_> you can technically only speculate.

 

[Frogla]

Lol they do? NOA hardly knew what Ratchet and Clank was, and let Luigi slip. But who knows? XD



There might be, but I'm saying, you can't definitively say I'm wrong on something that hasn't happened >_> you can technically only speculate.

What you say may be true unless i have a logical foresight.

Lets look at it this way we know we have 23 people

If you call this speculation i will be enraged we know these people are coming back without a doubt,theres just no way around it.
1.Luigi
2.Captain Falcon
3. Jigglypuff
4.Ganondorf

That makes 27
and out of all these at least 4 will come
Sheik
Game and Watch
Fox Rep
Another Pokemon
New Mario Rep
Ridley
Animal Crossing Rep
Mewtwo
Marth or Roy
Another 3rd Party

We will for sure have over 30

Call it speculation call it whatever, its correct because i am so sure about it. Doubt me, you will receive a crushing blow before long.

 

[pure_awesome]

We will for sure have over 30

Call it speculation call it whatever, its correct because i am so sure about it.

I'm just going to sum up Dogenzaka's entire argument in order to save him some time not having to post it himself.



"But they might not!"

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Demos can be deceptive. Seriously, someone who thinks that 30 characters is all we're getting has to be out of their mind.

 

[Tobi-]

Great now he changed his topic to "Brawl might not have that many characters".

 

[pure_awesome]

Well yeah. The easiest way to avoid losing an argument is to change what it is you're arguing about.

 

[brawl1994]

sakurai said there would be at LEAST 40 characters

 

[BigRick]

seriously you shouldn't really care because number or characters =/= quality of game

 

[axi0n]

I would be happy with 20 characters if they were all ones I wanted, rather then 50 characters but not ones I like.

 

[burrito]

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=38255492
"#251-260: Sakurai will make Snake (and all other guest, i.e. 3rd party, characters) into an unlockable character. Sakurai will also eventually reveal all the secret characters (most likely what he did when melee was released: give details on a single starting character every week until release, then after release, give details on one secret character every week until they've all been done)."

Ah, so, it would seem wouldn't it? This is just a paraphrase, though, and an inaccurate one at that, you might want to look more deeply into that thread that you linked too. When I say that Sakurai has never confirmed that all 3rd party characters would be secret, I meant it, I wasn't merely a misinformed poster. I've posted this many times before, so I shall copy and paste it once again.

If you scroll down and look at the full literal translations you will actually find this:

Sakurai says that having Snake as a hidden character rather than be part of the starting line-up is more fitting for a guest character.

All Sakurai says is that he would feel it would be more fitting for a guest character. He didn't confirm that all 3rd parties were unlockable.

I believe that he had actually not decided if he were going to make 3rd parties unlockable yet, and simply was conveying his feelings at the moment. In the end, I think he decided that 3rd party characters would be starters for hype value. Since everyone would want to know who the third party characters were anyway.

In fact, if you read it even more carefully, there is evidence that Sakurai will not be revealing all characters before the game comes out and save the unlockables for afterwards. . The quote I am referring to is the following:

Secret characters are one of the fun parts of Smash. Although you don't want to find out until the very end, I guess [literally: 'after all,' so there is no doubt in this statement] I'll reveal them. Again, just like "Smash fist" [literally: 'Sumabura ken,' the name of the Japanese SSBM site?] I can't just hold these characters back. "

He says just like "Smash Fist", the name of the SSBM blog. If he is revealing the character just like he did with "Smash Fist", then he will indeed be revealing the unlockable characters after the game comes out because that is what he did with "Smash Fist"

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Ganondorf & Shiek: It wasn't "Somebody" who let this slip... This was said by Eiji Aonuma himself (The mastermind behind many of the Zelda games) in an interview with GameInformer (EXTREMELY reliable source). This is not some random theory or run of the mill rumor. You can confirm that Shiek and Ganondorf will be playable characters in Brawl just based off of this. (did you even suspect otherwise anyways?)
Source: http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200708/N07.0802.1741.54921.htm

And nowhere in there does it say, "Ganondorf and Sheik will be in Brawl." They submitted initial designs and tweaked them, so their odds are good, but that is hardly "confirmed". Even the DOJO claimed that Final Smashes would be limited to once per match per character, but that has been completely disproven through all the E4All demo footage. So, if even DOJO facts change over time, Ganondorf and Sheik can be completely dropped despite being mentioned in some side interview. >_>

 

[blooagga]

this argument is quite silly actually. "ThE IcOnz CaN BE SmAlLEr" "No TEhy Cant CUz MElee wSnt liEK taThT" Jolly good show.

 

[PITforREV]

sakurai said there would be at LEAST 40 characters

Link please?

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

First of all, I don't think the demo screen will be the exact same as the real game screen, so that argument is pointless.

2nd. I personally think there will be alot alot alot of characters.

3rd. Wait till the game is released.

 

[Luigi player]

Hmm... this worried me a little bit, but I think (and hope) there'll be more characters and stages.

I don't think Sakurai will resize the character select screen. Did you see the name from the Ice Climbers? Could you read it? It's probably pretty hard if they make it even smaller...


And I can't understand that people are satisfied with only about 30 characters... (well, I can if you already have your favourite characters in) I also would think 30 are enough if all my wanted ones are in.

Like Luigi, K. Rool, Ridley, Knuckles. Hah, would be a nice game with only about 26 characters, but the thing is, it's not likely to happen, and that's why I want more characters.

And I'd rather have more characters than to be able to record a match and send it to friends or something. Why? Because the characters are the main point of this game. (Besides, you can just record with a digicam >_>) You want to have many characters from Nintendo to fight against each other. Since the Stage Builder is announced, you wouldn't even need too many other stages. I know it'd get boring if there aren't too many stages, but I think it'd also get boring if there aren't enough characters. If you have more characters there's much more you can do and you can be sure that every fight is unique. You have so many possibilities. But with only 20 characters you'd be rather fast finished with the SSE, Classic and other modes.

It's somehow like the old SSB on the N64. I played it two days ago I think. It got boring really fast. There's not much you can do... pick every character and every time a other enemy so that every character fights against every other one in every level. Yeah, that'd mean that there are 1296 matches, but then it'll get boring, if not way before that. Yeah you can play online, but it would just be the same every time.
The game is just longer fun if you have more characters... (and the ones you like) Stages aren't as important as characters, because you don't play as them and you can build your own ones now, I doubt that the same will happen to the characters.

 

[GoldenIke]

I posted this in the prediction thread.

Usually, Sakurai reveals all the characters by the release of a Smash game

this means, he has until January 22nd to reveal all the characters

....we have 26 confirmed so far (The 23 + Sheik, Ganondorf, and Luigi)

he only has 11 weeks to reveal all the characters

he usually reveals characters once every two weeks

that leaves us with about 5-7 characters left.....leaving us with about 29-31 characters...which is rather pathetic

29 characters is the amount you can get if you take the icon sizes shown in the demo, and multiply them throughout the screen.


If the sides of the screen DO fill up, we have 7 characters left. If they don't, well, we only have 1 character left. However, assuming Sheik, Ganondorf, and Luigi are confirmed, chances are, the sides of the screen with the "?"s are going to fill up. Leaving us with 4 characters left. My assumptions are that they are Megaman, Krystal, Game & Watch, and someone from the Metroid series.

Widescreen TVs

Fullscreen TVs

You may be thinking that the icons could shrink to make room. That is a possibility. But keep in mind that never happened with Melee.

I can see about 25 stage spots there. We have 16 confirmed now. That seems like a reasonable amount for about 30 characters.

PS: I made these mockups.

1: the sizes will shrink
2: Hes not gonna reveal em all... for all we know Ridley will be a hidden boss/character
3: 30 stages is probably the max.
4: uh dunno

 

[iMichael]

Really? He did it with Melee. One character a week.
And he certainly has no hesitation revealing secret characters, considering Sonic and Snake are secret characters, and most likely, so is Dedede.

Were Snake and Sonic really considered secret characters?