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>implying that you can reliably avoid a Kirby dair against someone who knows what the hell they're doing.
That doesn't mean you don't get hit by them never.
It's his best move imo.
Bair > Dair imo. Proper usage of BOTH moves ***** a lot of recoveries and reduces the amount of potential options you have if you're knocked of stage well enough for these moves to work okay. Sure they have holes in them, but its nothing you can simply shrug off.
1. Situationa, but effective based on the MU. Copy isnt hard to use on stage. Kirbycides are harder, but they still happen, even in high level play. So it's not something you can simply disregard. Like Marth shieldbreaker. Situational, but it still happens in all levels of play.
You can't really combo into Fsmash, but that's not what's good about it. The speed, how long the hitbox lingers, the shield push, and the sheer power of this move makes this move pretty ****. And if it so happens to catch you off guard, you'll most certainly die and earlier death or give Kirby an easy as hell edgehog.
1. That is so not true.
This dude still has guaranteed throw combos from 0% with a decent grab range to boot. His throw game is okay.
I disagree with you whole heartily. If you call his moveset situational, pretty much most of the character's movesets are situational.
I already acknowledged that bair is a good move, along with dair and fsmash if you can actually hit with them. Catching somebody offguard to hit them with fsmash or dair isn't exactly easy in high level play. I'm just saying that he doesn't have a reliable tactic to staple his moveset together. Yes he can edgeguard, but he is outclassed by other characters with similar edgequarding capabilities like DDD, MK, Luigi, Jiggly, etc...His grab range is good, just his throws are not so much except for dthrow. Fair comboes, but then at mid to high percents it quickly becomes rather useless. Once your opponent is at mid to high percents you pretty much rely on a surprise attack like dair, fsmash or usmash to get the kill, unless you can get them offstage and bair them. Look I'm not saying hes useless. His problem is he has no consistent moves like Marth fair&utilt, DDD dair, Falcon nair, Jiggly bair&fair etc...just to name a few, to set up a kill and or combo across a broad range of percents. One exception being bair for walling or edgeguarding, and even then it's not incredible. Another problem with him is that he doesn't excel at anything or do anything better then anyone else. Hes mediocre at almost every level. He does have a high end recovery, I will give him that, even though majority of characters have decent to good recoveries(combine relatively low gravity with huge ledge snap range and most characters having large protective hitboxes on their upb's). Sorry if you don't agree but, that's my opinion of Kirby as he is right now.
If you DI the DThrow Correctly you cant get Hit in the Air and you have a chance to Tech roll. Kirby can then Proceed to Tech Chase. normally People DI the throw wrong and it leads to Aerials.
