The fact that Ridley is not a PC implies that Sakurai was on crack when he made this roster. It just doesn't make sense.
And if you actually read my analysis (if you're going to assault my claims), it's not that Kirby is actually overrepresented (in the roster, anyway, although SSE is another problem), it's the fact that the huge increases in Kirby representation implied at least moderate increases in Mario/Zelda/Pokemon rep (and definitely Metroid), even accounting for Melee's deficiencies. Even the most conservative and rational extrapolations based on what Sakurai revealed on the Dojo predicted a much better roster than what we actually got. Thus, many people are disappointed because Sakurai sucks at PR (and other things, but mostly that). My personal gripes are that it didn't even remotely live up to expectations, mine and otherwise.
Regarding DK/Diddy: DK split off from the Mario franchise early enough to count as an independent franchise. Rare worked on that for a very long time, not Nintendo. And Diddy has never been in any canon Mario games. If you need any more proof: they have their own series symbol/music/everything. While Yoshi is a stretch, he/she/it got lucky and also counts as a separate franchise. Warioware needs no explaining; same deal. And you forgot Luigi. As a whole, I find that your post reveals a substandard appreciation for the Mario series. The Mario series really only has four Brawl reps: one less than Melee. People were expecting at least one more Mario rep to fill Docs place, two if we were really lucky, especially if Kirby got a net gain of one (if you consider that its deserved rep count for Melee would have been two). People were very reasonable about their predictions based on Dojo updates and mostly ignoring Dojo hype and Sakurai still came up short.
Please don't put words in my mouth, and furthermore, if you are unable to determine the meaning of part of my post, don't assume negative connotations simply because it fits your argument.
I said if you wanted to include DK and Diddy then that adds to the Mario series' numbers. I never said DK and Diddy were part of the mario franchise. I lump Wario in with Mario because in essence, he is Mario's enemy and they are part of the same world. Same goes for Yoshi. Having a separate game does not change anything about who they really are. If MetaKnight went and had a couple of games based around him, where Kirby does not interact with him at all, he would still be part of the Kirby franchise. That's what I mean by including Yoshi and Wario. DK and Diddy are in a way, different because of other factors.
I don't see how I have a substandard appreciation for the Mario series. Again, please don't assume things just because they fit your argument. Mario is one of my favorite series of all time and has constantly been one of the most successful gaming series' in history. My appreciation for the series has nothing to do with the amount of Mario related characters included in Brawl, which was what my original post was referring to.
In regards to your first paragraph, I think we can all agree that Sakurai hyped the roster up to a point where everyone was expecting something huge and great. But that's not what we got. Oh well. The problem I have is that you are blaming Sakurai for adding a couple of Kirby characters and some things from the Kirby franchise (mind you that, again, Kirby has had pretty much nothing in the past two games and even got nerfed in Melee), while there are other franchises that have just about as much representation as Kirby. Just because Kirby gets an increase in representation doesn't mean that every other series (especially ones that have quite a bit already. i.e. Mario) needs to have an increase as well. That would, essentially, make everything as unbalanced as it was in Melee.
As far as Metroid goes, I can sympathize with everyone on that. I've already said that it sucks that Ridley's not in. He seemed like one of the most obvious choices, but it didn't happen. Oh well. There's nothing we can do about it now. The only consolation I can see is that it looks like they at least -tried- to make it up to Metroid fans with the stages and the boss fight. Not much i can say about that one there.
"Read a book." I read many, thank you.
Again, insults? Really? When you could have been mature about it? Come on now. You're calling people idiots and ******* because they don't agree with your point of view. Please try and be mature about this because as far as I've seen, nobody has done anything to you other than disagree.
Edit: btw, (this is more directed at people in general). We all knew this game was being overhyped since early on. At least, I'd like to think we did. The overhype wasn't all the cause of Sakurai and Nintendo. We contributed to some of that as well. With all of the speculation and taking quotes out of context and whatnot, we were bound to be disappointed by something in the end, and that happens to be the roster.
I can understand why people are upset about the roster (see that one thread about "understand why we're upset". It's a very good read.) and that's not what my argument's about. I'm talking about blaming a single franchise for having a part in making this game "disappointing." It's totally unfair, considering there were a couple series' in Melee that were over-repped and that game wasn't in the least bit disappointing.
