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[LoneKonWolf]

Morning metal, how was your day?

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[Metalbro]

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It has been quite uneventful like the usual but I'm fine with that. You?

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

73 updated personal tier lists

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TOP TIER
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High Tier
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People are in order within tier.

Thoughts? A10theHero The Stoopid Unikorn

Hello, Metalbro and LoneKonWolf btw
and also a howdy to A10theHero

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Same, though i did finally finish sewing some clothes i ripped the other day am an on my way to start the day as usual

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[Hat N' Clogs]

74 ripped clothes being fixed

 

[LoneKonWolf]

And also, hey clogs

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[A10theHero]

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73 updated personal tier lists

Spoiler

TOP TIER
SS:
S:
High Tier
A:
B:
Middle Tier
C:
D:
E:
Low Tier
F:
G:
H:
Bottom Tier
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People are in order within tier.

Thoughts? A10theHero The Stoopid Unikorn

I still don't think Ryu is Top 5 material.
Yoshi hasn't been making any splashes really nowadays.
Lucario has been doing pretty well in Japan.
Mewtwo has been doing alright too, nowadays. Definitely E or F tier.
The gap between Marth and Lucina is a little too big. She's definitely not bottom 10 anymore.
Otherwise, it looks pretty decent.

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

And also, hey clogs

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Hello there!

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A10theHero

Spoiler

Ryu may be weak with recovering, but a lot of his other stats are good. His combo game is especially wicked strong. While Yoshi's popularity has indeed gone down, I still think he has a good enough matchup spread to make him high tier (albeit the lower part of high tier). I also have a bias in the favor of the American metagame, so I'm not too focused on how Lucario is doing in Japan. With Mewtwo, I didn't know he's been doing potentially good enough for E/F tier. With Lucina, I find her extremely basic without a ton of advantages. She's just a weaker, more basic Marth IMO (although, this could be a bit of bias against her because I honestly hate her character in this game).

 

[Darkpit54]

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It looks good to me except for ryu. I don't like tier lists though because they make me feel bad about my mains

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

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It looks good to me except for ryu. I don't like tier lists though because they make me feel bad about my mains

Fair enough. Even though Roy is seen as being lackluster (including my own opinion), at least Dark Pit's in an ok spot
DP is an ok character. He's got decent matchups and stats. However, he doesn't have the tournament results to back him up.

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[LoneKonWolf]

The only time you should feel bad is when your encountered by a "stop having fun" guy who insists tiers are everything and berate for not following the quo. Otherwise most just have fun as they want, competitive and out

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[Darkpit54]

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Yeah it could be a lot worse. Roy has good power he just has AWFUL recovery. And he could really use a projectile.

LoneKonWolf . I meant to say I feel sorry FOR my mains. Stupid autocorrect!

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

The only time you should feel bad is when your encountered by a "stop having fun" guy who insists tiers are everything and berate for not following the quo. Otherwise most just have fun as they want, competitive and out

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I couldn't have said it better. Even if a character is lower in tier, play with whom you want, Darkpit54 !

As far as I'm concerned, it's even more honorable and awesome to use a lower tier character than a higher tier character, for obvious reasons.

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[Darkpit54]

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Yeah I don't really like high tier characters

I prefer more mid-low tier characters except for ZSS and Sonic

 

[Prepare_Yourself]

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Congrats to some of our bob ombers for getting credit for "Project Sm4sh"

 

[Blossom ✿]

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[LoneKonWolf]

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Yeah it could be a lot worse. Roy has good power he just has AWFUL recovery. And he could really use a projectile.

LoneKonWolf . I meant to say I feel sorry FOR my mains. Stupid autocorrect!

Ah, second time i've seen eh?
Don't feel bad about it, i do it all the time

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Congrats to some of our bob ombers for getting credit for "Project Sm4sh"

Er. . . pardon? What?

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[Hat N' Clogs]

88 doctor who episodes

 

[Darkpit54]

89 of my Mains

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

A10theHero I'm curious as to why you've said Mewtwo's been getting good enough for E/F tier. What tournaments have you seen to give you that opinion?

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[Darkpit54]

91 Personal Tier Lists

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

92 tiers on a tier list

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Spoiler

TOP TIER
SS:
S:
High Tier
A:
B:
Middle Tier
C:
D:
E:
Low Tier
F:
G:
H:
Bottom Tier
I:
J:
People are in order within tier.

Thoughts? A10theHero The Stoopid Unikorn

Too soon for tier lists...

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

94 early tier lists

 

[Blossom ✿]

95 Bob-ombs

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

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[Fluttershy]

73 updated personal tier lists

Spoiler

TOP TIER
SS:
S:
High Tier
A:
B:
Middle Tier
C:
D:
E:
Low Tier
F:
G:
H:
Bottom Tier
I:
J:
People are in order within tier.

Thoughts? A10theHero The Stoopid Unikorn

Hello, Metalbro and LoneKonWolf btw
and also a howdy to A10theHero

Imo Bayo is too high..

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[Hat N' Clogs]

Imo Bayo is too high..

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I originally had her in 3rd, but I dropped her down a few places due to her tall height and lackluster frame data.

 

[A10theHero]

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Hello there!

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A10theHero

Spoiler

Ryu may be weak with recovering, but a lot of his other stats are good. His combo game is especially wicked strong. While Yoshi's popularity has indeed gone down, I still think he has a good enough matchup spread to make him high tier (albeit the lower part of high tier). I also have a bias in the favor of the American metagame, so I'm not too focused on how Lucario is doing in Japan. With Mewtwo, I didn't know he's been doing potentially good enough for E/F tier. With Lucina, I find her extremely basic without a ton of advantages. She's just a weaker, more basic Marth IMO (although, this could be a bit of bias against her because I honestly hate her character in this game).

A10theHero I'm curious as to why you've said Mewtwo's been getting good enough for E/F tier. What tournaments have you seen to give you that opinion?

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Ryu's combos, again, depend on him being close to his opponent. You shut him out, you shut down his combos. That's why characters like Megaman can give him a hard time. Yoshi's matchup spread is decent at best imo. Maybe the the top of mid tier but I don't see him much higher than that. Honestly, I see no reason to ignore international tournaments. It's not like in Melee where the version of the games are different. They are just as useful for seeing what a character can do. Many of Mewtwo's great results are coming from Japan and he has Mew^2 and Blue here in the states doing pretty well. She's not basic. What gave you that idea? She literally is Marth without his tipper. At least she's more consistent with her damage output as a result. The tipper doesn't make that big of a difference. You're not gonna be consistently landing hits with it since Marth doesn't really have something to help him space perfectly.

Too soon for tier lists...

Well we need something from which we can begin discussion. When it is the "right" time, it'll be easier to construct a list.

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

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She's not basic. What gave you that idea? She literally is Marth without his tipper.

The reason why I called her basic was in comparison to Marth. Marth has a tipper while Lucina doesn't, so that's why I called her basic. She's a little easier to get used to at a beginner's level.

BTW I wasn't trying to ignore tournaments in other countries entirely. I simply don't know a lot of tournament data in Japan, so I don't really focus on results in Japan. Maybe "bias" was the wrong word to use concerning American vs. Japanese tournaments.

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[A10theHero]

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The tipper doesn't make much of a difference anyways. Marth has no known method of consistently hitting with the tip of his sword. He doesn't have a movement option to help adjust his spacing quickly. Thus, it won't be used consistently. For that reason, there shouldn't be such a huge gap between the two.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

He doesn't have a movement option to help adjust his spacing quickly.

Perfect pivoting?

 

[A10theHero]

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Perfect pivoting?

For some reason, no. Otherwise more people would be playing as Marth if that worked.

 

[Blossom ✿]

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[Hat N' Clogs]

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For some reason, no. Otherwise more people would be playing as Marth if that worked.

BTW where can I see more results of Japanese tournaments to see a better picture of your opinion?
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[Fluttershy]

106 Clogs can you smash atm?

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

106 Clogs can you smash atm?

I'd love to, but I'm going to be making dinner with my mom soon, along with doing taxes tonight. Perhaps tomorrow, or Friday?

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[KingofPhantoms]

108 Tier lists.

Afternoon btw.

 

[A10theHero]

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I just looked at MSC's video on perfect pivoting and Marth gets about 3.5 squares worth of movement from his perfect pivot.
I guess that's not enough?

BTW where can I see more results of Japanese tournaments to see a better picture of your opinion?
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SHI-G. Their YouTube channel has tournament videos. Their website has info about their tourneys. They also periodically release tier lists. (Mewtwo is considered mid tier there and for good reason, lol)
Also, non-Japanese top players talk about them quite a bit on Twitter and such, especially when there's something interesting (like a Lucario main winning a tournament). And if you follow some top Japanese players like Ranai, then you naturally hear more about their meta too.

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

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I just looked at MSC's video on perfect pivoting and Marth gets about 3.5 squares worth of movement from his perfect pivot.
I guess that's not enough?


SHI-G. Their YouTube channel has tournament videos. Their website has info about their tourneys.
Also, non-Japanese top players talk about them quite a bit on Twitter and such, especially when there's something interesting (like a Lucario main winning a tournament). And if you follow some top Japanese players like Ranai, then you naturally hear more about their meta too.

Alright.

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