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Blue Battle Circuit #4. November 8th. Princeton, NJ.

_Yes!_

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Tec0 your anime gifs make this computer lag. It's hilarious. Also...you should come to rutgers sometime so we can play gimp the fox :)
 

Inui

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Watch what happens when I steal from you now.
I saw it as mine because you owed it to me. I don't think you quite understand the level of disrespect you showed me when you lost two Melee MMs in a row and then refused to pay.

If you're going to threaten to steal from me, please don't show up at my events anymore.

I'm not one of those random hosts you can just randomly destroy. The community would never back you on such a thing and I'm far more established than any of the others.
 

dmbrandon

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I saw it as mine because you owed it to me. I don't think you quite understand the level of disrespect you showed me when you lost two Melee MMs in a row and then refused to pay.

If you're going to threaten to steal from me, please don't show up at my events anymore.

I'm not one of those random hosts you can just randomly destroy. The community would never back you on such a thing and I'm far more established than any of the others.
Howabout we tell everyone about you not paying for event entry fees? Or when you steal from the house fee because you feel you didn't win enough money for 3rd place in doubles? Howabout we mention the ballroom doesn't cost anything and you pocket the house fee that you DEMAND from everyone?

You stole from Ether, too.

I didn't pay you in melee because I don't respect you. You're a dirty cheating liar.

Let's mention last week when you said we weren't counting the tournament for power rankings right after you lost to Yes!. And how you said no one would argue it because you're the only real panelist.

Wanna start a war, Inui? You better drop this **** right quick.
 

Mew2King

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im still really mad that your ***got brother stole 180 dollars from me, then didnt pay me for the dollar MM >_>. I missed it when your brother was in jail.

Inui, get your license!!! (I know I need to too sometime)

dm!! drive over to my house and we'll do hours of MK dittos. Let's goez!!
 

Inui

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Howabout we tell everyone about you not paying for event entry fees?
I paid my entry fees at every tournament I've hosted for at least the past two months. I make sure the entire crew pays now. The policy of the crew entering for free died when Montage died.

Or when you steal from the house fee because you feel you didn't win enough money for 3rd place in doubles?
Um, this never happened. Kashif and I got 3rd in doubles and I was going to get absolutely nothing due to the crew entering for free back then. The small sum of $10 was taken from the doubles pot, not the house fee.

Howabout we mention the ballroom doesn't cost anything and you pocket the house fee that you DEMAND from everyone?
It's pretty well-known that the Garden Room costs nothing and that the house fee is to pay for the crew's massive amount of work put into the tournaments.

You stole from Ether, too.
My condolences to Ether. Perhaps you should pay him the dollar back if you care so much.

I didn't pay you in melee because I don't respect you. You're a dirty cheating liar.
I'm a lot of things, but I'm not a cheater or a liar. I don't give you reasons to disrespect me and I've always treated you well with discounted entry fees and stuff. Those days are obviously over at this point. I've proven myself to be an extremely good host with or without you at my side and I've proven myself to be a significantly better player at this point and back in your prime I beat you in sets more than once. I don't see why you don't respect me at all because I certainly respected you a lot up until now.

Let's mention last week when you said we weren't counting the tournament for power rankings right after you lost to Yes!. And how you said no one would argue it because you're the only real panelist.
Free tournaments don't count on Ankoku's rankings and simply don't have the same weight as real tournaments. The reduced circuit points being involved barely means much. Losing to Yes! isn't something I'm embarassed about because he's an exceptional player.

Wanna start a war, Inui? You better drop this **** right quick.
No, but you really need to work on respecting others. Making stuff up and calling me a cheater and liar is really unfair and disrespectful.
 

dmbrandon

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I paid my entry fees at every tournament I've hosted for at least the past two months. I make sure the entire crew pays now. The policy of the crew entering for free died when Montage died.
Umm. Lies. You didn't pay A CENT for your last big tournament. You said so. You're only paying for the small ones because people would notice you taking their money. How much money do you owe Dave in gas? Howabout Atomsk?

Um, this never happened. Kashif and I got 3rd in doubles and I was going to get absolutely nothing due to the crew entering for free back then. The small sum of $10 was taken from the doubles pot, not the house fee.
I was wondering if you'd fall for the mindgames. you took 25$ from the pot DIRECTLY from Snakeee and Shadow.

Explain it to them

Also, let's talk about how you altered the prize payouts at the end of montage 2 or 3 when you took 4th so you'd make more money.

It's pretty well-known that the Garden Room costs nothing and that the house fee is to pay for the crew's massive amount of work put into the tournaments.
Crew Work? Let's see... I carried TVs. Atomsk, Edd, Brandon... They carried TVs.

You even had Rigel help you. All you did was get the room. Which takes no timeat all. You told me before, all you had to say was "Hey dad, can you get me a schedule for the garden room? Okay, I need this day."



My condolences to Ether. Perhaps you should pay him the dollar back if you care so much.
Perhaps you shouldn't be a ****. My not paying you in a MM is completely a seperate matter than you STEALING from the pot. If I owe you 2 bucks, then I owe you, but that gives you no right to delve into the money and alter ****.

I'm a lot of things, but I'm not a cheater or a liar. I don't give you reasons to disrespect me and I've always treated you well with discounted entry fees and stuff. Those days are obviously over at this point. I've proven myself to be an extremely good host with or without you at my side and I've proven myself to be a significantly better player at this point and back in your prime I beat you in sets more than once. I don't see why you don't respect me at all because I certainly respected you a lot up until now.
You've respected me because I'm awesome. I don't respect you because you act like a child. I have the testimonials of pretty much everyone who's ever been at a tournament you've made the bracket for, that you've rigged it. You constantly put bull**** players on yourside, and stack the other side with pros.

To try and trick us, he placed m2k in this bracket in the semi final spot. I'd love to see you post a non doctored version of my/Atomsks side of the Bracket.

To which you respond with: Atomsk is my teammate.

To which I reply with: Oh, then luckily, Ether was also on my side, which means you're a liar, and your argument is moot.

Free tournaments don't count on Ankoku's rankings and simply don't have the same weight as real tournaments. The reduced circuit points being involved barely means much. Losing to Yes! isn't something I'm embarassed about because he's an exceptional player.
But you didn't mention it til AFTER you lost to yes. Also, you didn't address the fact that

you really need to work on respecting others. Making stuff up and calling me a cheater and liar is really unfair and disrespectful.
I have SICK respect for people who are a positive force in our community.

For example:

Bum. While his tournaments are cramped as hell, that guy puts his blood into finding the best, cheapest venues he can get his hands on, just so he can provide NY with a place to play.

Alex Strife. Dude is always on top of everything at his tournaments. He runs everything, with amazing brackets, and never breaks a sweat.

Scar has the most populated Melee series post-Brawl. I may not like his whining, but I KNOW the kid's an awesome host.

You don't even run your own brackets. You make your crew do it. ****, you even asked Ninjaedd to do it, even after you said he never does anything, and he happily agreed because he's good at it. The only thing you've done that earns our respect is beat a few good people. This is about hosting, and all you do is lie and cheat.

We had a no running/planking rule and you ****ED Shadow in the *** when you allowed Spam to get away with that ****. I couldn't do anything about it, because you respond with : Then you'll lose the venue.

I remember the day when I stopped caring, when you stole PRiDE's teammate. **** move again. I removed you from the crew because you're a negative influence everywhere.

You're never a pleasure to be around. You're never a pleasure to team with. You're a burden.
 

Inui

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Umm. Lies. You didn't pay A CENT for your last big tournament. You said so. You're only paying for the small ones because people would notice you taking their money. How much money do you owe Dave in gas? Howabout Atomsk?
Uh... I think you're right that me and Atomsk and the other crewmembers that did a lot of work didn't pay for singles at HPatPM but we paid in teams and crews for sure. I don't owe Dave or Atomsk any money, so I don't kow what you're talking about there.

I was wondering if you'd fall for the mindgames. you took 25$ from the pot DIRECTLY from Snakeee and Shadow.

Explain it to them
lol what? I won $10 for 3rd and Kashif got his free entry into singles. That's all that happened. Why are you making stuff up? You're the one that handled my payout for 3rd in teams, anyways.

Also, let's talk about how you altered the prize payouts at the end of montage 2 or 3 when you took 4th so you'd make more money.
I never took 4th at any Montage event. I took 5th, 2nd, 7th, in that order. You took 4th and Kashif and I generously split with you after you decreased Mew2King's percentage after convincing him to allow you to do so.

Stop trying to slander me with your random lies.

Crew Work? Let's see... I carried TVs. Atomsk, Edd, Brandon... They carried TVs.

You even had Rigel help you. All you did was get the room. Which takes no timeat all. You told me before, all you had to say was "Hey dad, can you get me a schedule for the garden room? Okay, I need this day."
lol @ saying I do nothing

Currently, I do the most, and I'm sure the others will agree.

I get the room myself now and have the last four times. I don't ask my dad about it.

Perhaps you shouldn't be a ****. My not paying you in a MM is completely a seperate matter than you STEALING from the pot. If I owe you 2 bucks, then I owe you, but that gives you no right to delve into the money and alter ****.
You paid me with two dollars from your teams winnings. It was mine, imo.

You've respected me because I'm awesome. I don't respect you because you act like a child. I have the testimonials of pretty much everyone who's ever been at a tournament you've made the bracket for, that you've rigged it. You constantly put bull**** players on yourside, and stack the other side with pros.

To try and trick us, he placed m2k in this bracket in the semi final spot. I'd love to see you post a non doctored version of my/Atomsks side of the Bracket.

To which you respond with: Atomsk is my teammate.

To which I reply with: Oh, then luckily, Ether was also on my side, which means you're a liar, and your argument is moot.
lmao

I beat everyone else, anyways. I don't rig brackets. At one tournament ever, I put Atomsk with Bajisci to avoid playing Atomsk. That's the only time I ever "rigged" anything.

When I lost to Mew2King in winners semis last weekend, guess what I did? I beat Umbra, BlackWaltz, and Atomsk all in a row to take 2nd.

At HPatPM? I lost to Bum in winners semis and then beat NinjaLink, Atomsk, and Bum all in a row to get 2nd.

I don't need to rig brackets because I'm an extremely skilled player that can beat almost anyone anyways.

Good stuff getting on this bandwagon, though. And you're calling me the liar?

But you didn't mention it til AFTER you lost to yes. Also, you didn't address the fact that
And? That changes anything I said...how?

I have SICK respect for people who are a positive force in our community.

For example:

Bum. While his tournaments are cramped as hell, that guy puts his blood into finding the best, cheapest venues he can get his hands on, just so he can provide NY with a place to play.

Alex Strife. Dude is always on top of everything at his tournaments. He runs everything, with amazing brackets, and never breaks a sweat.

Scar has the most populated Melee series post-Brawl. I may not like his whining, but I KNOW the kid's an awesome host.
Yeah, they're awesome.

You don't even run your own brackets. You make your crew do it. ****, you even asked Ninjaedd to do it, even after you said he never does anything, and he happily agreed because he's good at it. The only thing you've done that earns our respect is beat a few good people. This is about hosting, and all you do is lie and cheat.
You're ignorant.

I run the tournaments almost entirely by myself now with minimal help from Blue and Atomsk. You haven't been a part of running the events for a really long time. Without your overbearing ass around, I get to do most of the hosting and bracket-running.

You not respecting me =/= me not being a positive force in the community.

Not only am I a top player, but I also host the largest, most successful, and most popular events in the state.

We had a no running/planking rule and you ****ED Shadow in the *** when you allowed Spam to get away with that ****. I couldn't do anything about it, because you respond with : Then you'll lose the venue.
This was in May.

Plank wasn't even a top Brawl player yet. He didn't even play the game yet at all. How did we have a no-Planking rule? I never said such a thing to you. You were a judge too, and you didn't call Kashif on his excessive camping.

I remember the day when I stopped caring, when you stole PRiDE's teammate. **** move again. I removed you from the crew because you're a negative influence everywhere.
Oh well. I do not regret the decision because it benefited Snakeee and I tremendously.

You're never a pleasure to be around. You're never a pleasure to team with. You're a burden.
Okay, then stop coming to my tournaments. If this how you're going to act, I will not miss you.

Why did you team with me so much if I was a burden? Oh, wait, I was a freaking HERO in a number of important sets and was easily your best choice to team with at anything due to being much better than Ether and Mew2King and Kashif always teaming with other people.

You're not going to be able to destroy me or anything of the sort. You're merely wasting your time and making yourself look like an jerk.
 

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Haha. I don't drive, otherwise I'd be tempted to go play you a lot.

You know you're always welcome to stay over my place if I don't have something going on that's in the way. I housed you for a week semi-recently, remember? <3

Yeah, the early days of Montage were amazing, but I like what Atomsk and I are doing a bit more and Atomsk and I are now a LOT better than we used to be.
 

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Good luck Mario
We had a no running/planking rule and you ****ED Shadow in the *** when you allowed Spam to get away with that ****. I couldn't do anything about it, because you respond with : Then you'll lose the venue.
So because I camped under the stage and with the ledges, I should have lost the match or been forced to play differently? That's dumb as hell. If you can ledgecamp a character that can glide, has multiple jumps, every B move can be used to recover with, outranges you, has a sword, on a stage that has lava to save you if you mess up your recovery with Jigglypuff you deserve to win.

It's not like it screwed him much. He lost R1 and that was R2 and he lost the set against me in losers.
 

Eazy23

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People complain about planking a bit to much. Has anyone besides me and Kashif, logically thought about what you're doing when you complain or try to ban overly defensive tactics?

You want to ban mk or other characters from camping the ledge, a place that is very safe for them, and dangerous for their opponent to try attacking them from. Sounds ok at first.... But logically lay it out
Mk camps ledge
very safe for mk
Unsafe for characters to attack mk from stage when he is on ledge.

Well how about snake keeping someone on the ledge because its unsafe for them to try and get up?

Snake keeps opponent on ledge because he controls so much space around him
It is unsafe for opponent to try to get off of ledge and onto stage, very similar to how its unsafe for the mk to try to get onto stage as opposed to staying on the ledge.

Although it is very boring and pretty whack that people will camp the ledge for the win, it doesnt change the fact that banning that tactic is simply catering towards more aggressive styles of play. Many characters like Snake, lucario, marth have a stage camping game. Where its simply not very safe to remove yourself from the ledge vs them.

Are we going to ban players from being able to force their opponent into situations where they cant get off of the ledge? That makes alot of sense where the objective in smash is 2 keep the opponent off of the stage lol

I am empathetic when people get seriously camped, yea it sucks. But it's part of the game, and I honestly have seen aggressive players doing well.

If planking is going to be banned, outright ****** and rushing down your opponent and limiting their options has to be banned to. Atleast thats the logic I see atm.
 

dmbrandon

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Uh... I think you're right that me and Atomsk and the other crewmembers that did a lot of work didn't pay for singles at HPatPM but we paid in teams and crews for sure. I don't owe Dave or Atomsk any money, so I don't kow what you're talking about there.
lol what? I won $10 for 3rd and Kashif got his free entry into singles. That's all that happened. Why are you making stuff up? You're the one that handled my payout for 3rd in teams, anyways.
I never took 4th at any Montage event. I took 5th, 2nd, 7th, in that order. You took 4th and Kashif and I generously split with you after you decreased Mew2King's percentage after convincing him to allow you to do so.
Stop trying to slander me with your random lies.
lol @ saying I do nothing
Currently, I do the most, and I'm sure the others will agree.
I get the room myself now and have the last four times. I don't ask my dad about it.
You paid me with two dollars from your teams winnings. It was mine, imo.
lmao
I beat everyone else, anyways. I don't rig brackets. At one tournament ever, I put Atomsk with Bajisci to avoid playing Atomsk. That's the only time I ever "rigged" anything.
When I lost to Mew2King in winners semis last weekend, guess what I did? I beat Umbra, BlackWaltz, and Atomsk all in a row to take 2nd.
At HPatPM? I lost to Bum in winners semis and then beat NinjaLink, Atomsk, and Bum all in a row to get 2nd.
I don't need to rig brackets because I'm an extremely skilled player that can beat almost anyone anyways.
Good stuff getting on this bandwagon, though. And you're calling me the liar?
And? That changes anything I said...how?
Yeah, they're awesome.
You're ignorant.
I run the tournaments almost entirely by myself now with minimal help from Blue and Atomsk. You haven't been a part of running the events for a really long time. Without your overbearing ass around, I get to do most of the hosting and bracket-running.
You not respecting me =/= me not being a positive force in the community.
Not only am I a top player, but I also host the largest, most successful, and most popular events in the state.



This was in May.

Plank wasn't even a top Brawl player yet. He didn't even play the game yet at all. How did we have a no-Planking rule? I never said such a thing to you. You were a judge too, and you didn't call Kashif on his excessive camping.



Oh well. I do not regret the decision because it benefited Snakeee and I tremendously.
Okay, then stop coming to my tournaments. If this how you're going to act, I will not miss you.
Why did you team with me so much if I was a burden? Oh, wait, I was a freaking HERO in a number of important sets and was easily your best choice to team with at anything due to being much better than Ether and Mew2King and Kashif always teaming with other people.
You're not going to be able to destroy me or anything of the sort. You're merely wasting your time and making yourself look like an jerk.
All I saw from this post is you trying to back up your scumbag moves. All you care about is yourself.

I all honesty, you should be ashamed to act the way you do. It's like you have no sense of being a part of society. Maybe when you grow up a little, we'll finish this argument. Cause right now, all I see is a desperate attempt to get to the next round in this conversation, in hopes of finding a weakness in my discussion. You won't. You'll just twist words over and over, and I'm not gonna run in a big circle with you. Maybe you're fine with having every person on this board hate you.

So because I camped under the stage and with the ledges, I should have lost the match or been forced to play differently? That's dumb as hell. If you can ledgecamp a character that can glide, has multiple jumps, every B move can be used to recover with, outranges you, has a sword, on a stage that has lava to save you if you mess up your recovery with Jigglypuff you deserve to win.

It's not like it screwed him much. He lost R1 and that was R2 and he lost the set against me in losers.
We had an excessive running/stalling rule to which I was going to call you on. It was written in bold for that tournament. However, Inui said you were his friend, and if I DQ'd you for that game, he'd never let us use the venue again. Which is blackmail. And meatriding. What you did was gay, and if were up to me solely, I would have sent you two to game 3 in a heartbeat, on his pick.

im lonely come visit me. Dm you drive, come over!

i miss the early montage days, much better spirit
Much better spirit indeed. I love how Inui thinks he has this amazing crew, when The only people who would really rep are him and Atomsk, and all we hear from Atomsk is how Inui isn't good. Great crew spirit.
 

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Snake Marth and Lucario should be banned too. D3 should be banned because of his cg, falco should be banned cuz he camps the stage well. Everyone who has a grab release tactic on wario should be banned. **** let's just ban everyone and everything.

10annoy'ds
 

Eazy23

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^^
nice input.

I'd actually, for once, like to hear something productive that you have to say. Not that useless spam!
 

_Yes!_

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>.> was that useless spam or no? ur confusing me.

I think planking shouldn't be banned, but there should be a common courtesy among players to not clock the match out on the ledge. That's just ****ed up.

On the other hand, Stage camping is gay, but there's no invincibility frames involved. That's why planking is the ultimate gay.
 

dmbrandon

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Snake Marth and Lucario should be banned too. D3 should be banned because of his cg, falco should be banned cuz he camps the stage well. Everyone who has a grab release tactic on wario should be banned. **** let's just ban everyone and everything.

10annoy'ds
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fkacyan

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DRAMA.

This **** is worthy of the WoW forums and my high school lunch table.
 

teh_spamerer

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We had an excessive running/stalling rule to which I was going to call you on. It was written in bold for that tournament.
* Any attempt at lame *** tactics will result in a warning. Any further attempt at lame *** tactics will result in forfeit.
These tactics include, but are not limited to:
-Stalling under a stage.
-Running away to run the time limit. (Excessively. If there's 30 seconds, and you bail, that's one thing. But if you waste 5 minutes, or be a jerk about it, I'm stopping the match. It's at the judge's discretion.)
I don't see anything in bold. It is impossible to stall under Brinstar against Meta Knight. He can easily chase you as I explained. Furthermore, I CLEARLY did not run away with the intention of running away to run the time limit as the timer was about to run out when both of us were at LAST STOCK. That did not happen from me running away to stall the time limit. Finally, THE LAVA COMES UP AND MAKES THE LEDGES IMPOSSIBLE TO GET TO from time to time. If he had stayed at the top he wouldn't have had this problem.

Summary
- He didn't chase me under the stage when he outranged me, had a sword, and had a 0% chance of dying unless he's a complete idiot
- He didn't camp the top which would have been 100% safe and would have forced me to leave the ledge
- He lost the match :bee:


However, Inui said you were his friend, and if I DQ'd you for that game, he'd never let us use the venue again. Which is blackmail. And meatriding.
Clearly not the case as you told me at the next tournament you'd DQ me if I played like that again because I was stalling, proving that you were a scrub for making a stupid rule and an idiot because I wasn't.

What you did was gay, and if were up to me solely, I would have sent you two to game 3 in a heartbeat, on his pick.
Good to know that it's possible to be significantly worse at running tournaments than Inui while simultaneously being a bigger scrub. Congratulations dm, you succeeded at both :bee:.
 
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