Blazing Player, Cinderace for Smash!

Joined
May 27, 2019
Messages
583
Location
Looking for new first parties that aren't Waluigi.
#1
Who is Cinderace?
1200px-815Cinderace.png

Cinderace is a fire type introduced in Pokémon Sword and Shield. It is the final evo of Scorbunny.

Why Cinderace?
h.png

Cinderace, according to many polls, is one of the, if not the, most popular Gen 8 pokemon. On top of that, Pyro Ball looks sick. Cinderace has perhaps had the biggest glow up of the gen 8 pokemon in between leak stage and actual reveal stage.

Moveset
W.I.P

Libero Moveset by NeonVoid
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15AE4hAj6p5h-fv0qi9kqA0kikeniZkhuwRUTLWJNinU/edit


Do you support Cinderace?

Support List:
Pokelego999
Luminario
Toonito
MacDaddyNook
Neonvoid
Voe
Smashing Ramen
JD Cabera
LightKnight
Majesty Indigo
RileyXY1
MrSmasher
XHero
Spatman
Brodemmars
SnowGolem
 
Last edited:

Luminario

Smash Lord
Joined
Jun 7, 2014
Messages
1,826
Location
Your guess is as good as mine
#2
Out of the 3 starter evos, Cinderace jumped out to me the most from the start and it's the one I chose, so I'm definitely down for it to be in smash. I can see Pyro Ball being a sort of chargeable projectile where the more keepie uppies you do the stronger it is when fired, and you can dribble the ball around to move but you can't hold the charge. Court Change could essentially be Mario's Cape, and it's FS could be a Bowser styled one where it Dynamaxes into the background and fires giant fireballs at the stage 3 times.
 
Joined
Apr 24, 2015
Messages
1,195
#4
Cinderace is a Pokemon that has grown on my fast. I'd absolutely love if had a mechanic/gimmick that worked around manipulating Pyro Ball to bounce off the stage and targets as a sort of summonable version of the Soccer Ball item. Having shenanigans happen because a wayward ball happened to be knocked into players would be pretty fun.
 

NeonVoid

Smash Cadet
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
Messages
28
#5
I just ran across this, but yeah, I would love to have Cinderace as a fighter. I think Cinderace is a likely choice, and I could see it being a really fast character with stylish moves. Pyro Ball, High Jump Kick, Sucker Punch, Flame Charge, Bounce, it has a lot of good moves that would look really interesting in Smash
 
Joined
Jan 1, 2013
Messages
707
Location
SoCal
#7
Cinderace would have been great if Incineroar wasn't in the game, in my opinion. With both Charizard and Incineroar as playable characters, I feel like Fire types are represented well in Smash. I do not support Cinderace as a result, but out of the three Galar starters, I think it easily has the best build and moveset potential for Smash. Charizard and Incineroar have laggy moves and slow movement respectively, so Cinderace would definitely be a lighter, faster character than either of them would ever be.
 

RileyXY1

Smash Champion
Joined
Jun 8, 2016
Messages
2,808
#8
Cinderace would have been great if Incineroar wasn't in the game, in my opinion. With both Charizard and Incineroar as playable characters, I feel like Fire types are represented well in Smash. I do not support Cinderace as a result, but out of the three Galar starters, I think it easily has the best build and moveset potential for Smash. Charizard and Incineroar have laggy moves and slow movement respectively, so Cinderace would definitely be a lighter, faster character than either of them would ever be.
I don't think that Sakurai cares about what types the playable Pokemon are.
 

Voe

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Dec 14, 2018
Messages
162
Location
NY
Switch FC
SW-7459-3215-2216
#9
I was waiting for a Cinderace thread. I'll support the pokemon for DLC.
 

Guynamednelson

Smash Master
Premium
Joined
Dec 17, 2014
Messages
3,214
3DS FC
2105-8742-2099
NNID
Nelson340
Switch FC
SW 4265 6024 9719
#10
Cinderace would have been great if Incineroar wasn't in the game, in my opinion. With both Charizard and Incineroar as playable characters, I feel like Fire types are represented well in Smash. I do not support Cinderace as a result, but out of the three Galar starters, I think it easily has the best build and moveset potential for Smash. Charizard and Incineroar have laggy moves and slow movement respectively, so Cinderace would definitely be a lighter, faster character than either of them would ever be.
I didn't think they'd add Incineroar because that'd be two starters in a row. But guess what?
 

NeonVoid

Smash Cadet
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
Messages
28
#12
I don't think that Sakurai cares about what types the playable Pokemon are.
I think that Sakurai cares more about how funor playable a character would be, not what types the starters should be. If Cinderace is popular, then they're going to want to add him over Rillaboom
 

LightKnight

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 21, 2019
Messages
218
#14
Personally, Cinderace would not be my first pick for a pokemon from Galar but I think the pokemon is easily a top 5 contender from the region as you could make a hype moveset for the pokemon and base it around his pyro-ball, pulling off some silly awe inspiring shenanigans at times. Put another way, Cinderace's main gimmick would be its pyro-ball it'd utilize through many attacks and mainly specials, even using it like WFT's ball from the Side-Special where you can angle or stall it, sorta building the rest of the moveset off that. Cinderace could basically work as a sorta rush-down/zoner hybrid but requires some tech-skill to use effectively.

My main issue is not with currently having fire type starters in the game but rather already having a handful of fiery brawlers in the game such as :ultfalcon::ultincineroar::ultmario::ultken::ult_terry:
Still, thats not to say Cinderace couldn't have a unique flare compared to these other characters but my initial thoughts is he could be a bit too similar (yet, not similar enough) to the likes of Captain Falcon, but with a soccer ball. The reason I added that extra note in parenthesis is because I could see Blaziken being added but as a Captain Falcon Echo whereas I can't say the same for Cinderace.

That said, I'm still thinking of tackling the moveset sometime so if I ever get to it I'll post it on this thread.
 
Last edited:

RileyXY1

Smash Champion
Joined
Jun 8, 2016
Messages
2,808
#18
I think that Cinderace is the best choice for a Gen 8 starter. Rillaboom is overrated and a bandwagon pick and Inteleon's G-Max form is too silly to take seriously.
 

MajestyIndigo

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Aug 16, 2018
Messages
446
Location
France
#19
Count me in the supporter list !
Cinderace made it in my top 6 favorite Pokemon in no time and I am pretty sure that we will get a gen 8 Pokemon at some point, let it be him please :D
 
Joined
Jan 16, 2020
Messages
24
#20
I'm voting no, if only for the fact the game has enough fire type fighters and I'd rather see another new Poke'mon make an appearance if one must. Doesn't have to be a starter.
 

MajestyIndigo

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Aug 16, 2018
Messages
446
Location
France
#21
I'm voting no, if only for the fact the game has enough fire type fighters and I'd rather see another new Poke'mon make an appearance if one must. Doesn't have to be a starter.
What's cool about Cinderace is that this Pokemon has access to the hidden ability Libero which allows it to change its type depending on the attack it just used ( like Greninja's Protean ).
A Cinderace can thus turn into a poison ( gunk shot ), fighting (high jump kick), bug (U-turn), steel (iron head )type and so on.

That would be super original on top of the fact that we don't have a football player in smash yet xD
 

LightKnight

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 21, 2019
Messages
218
#22
What's cool about Cinderace is that this Pokemon has access to the hidden ability Libero which allows it to change its type depending on the attack it just used ( like Greninja's Protean ).
A Cinderace can thus turn into a poison ( gunk shot ), fighting (high jump kick), bug (U-turn), steel (iron head )type and so on.
That would be super original on top of the fact that we don't have a football player in smash yet xD
How do you suppose that sort of mechanic would practically work with the moveset though? Type advantages/disadvantages aren't really implemented into the game anymore like it was with Pokemon Trainer in Brawl. I suppose it could be re-introduced with a character but I'm not sure if this makes sense for Cinderace in particular.
I ask because I'm making a moveset for Cinderace but have no plans to implement that ability for that sort of feature so I'm curious how you'd see it being implemented sense you brought it up.
 

MajestyIndigo

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Aug 16, 2018
Messages
446
Location
France
#23
LightKnight LightKnight

I haven't deeply thought about it but for instance, his special moves would each have a different type, thus changing Cinderace's aura/color slightly ( poison type = turn a bit purple and have some poison bubbles around him ).
After turning poison type, his normal attacks would all cause the enemy to be a bit poisoned. If he goes steel type he could become a bit slower but harder to launch and take a slighly more metalic appreance ( shining ).
There could be a mechanic that if the player doens't fully load the special attack, there would be no type change ( because it could be annoying to change type all the time idk ).

I could probably find some other tweaks for two other types too if I give it enough time.
The special moves would thus be a bit time limited to not be spammed or something like that.
It's quite vague but has potential xD
 
Last edited:

NeonVoid

Smash Cadet
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
Messages
28
#24
LightKnight LightKnight

I haven't deeply thought about it but for instance, his special moves would each have a different type, thus changing Cinderace's aura/color slightly ( poison type = turn a bit purple and have some poison bubbles around him ).
After turning poison type, his normal attacks would all cause the enemy to be a bit poisoned. If he goes steel type he could become a bit slower but harder to launch and take a slighly more metalic appreance ( shining ).
There could be a mechanic that if the player doens't fully load the special attack, there would be no type change ( because it could be annoying to change type all the time idk ).

I could probably find some other tweaks for two other types too if I give it enough time.
The special moves would thus be a bit time limited to not be spammed or something like that.
It's quite vague but has potential xD
It's not that is vague at all, I think that this is an amazing idea, I almost feel sad that Greninja didn't have Protean in Smash.

Just like that, I want Cinderace even more. Hopefully we won't have to wait too long to find out!
 

NeonVoid

Smash Cadet
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
Messages
28
#25
How do you suppose that sort of mechanic would practically work with the moveset though? Type advantages/disadvantages aren't really implemented into the game anymore like it was with Pokemon Trainer in Brawl. I suppose it could be re-introduced with a character but I'm not sure if this makes sense for Cinderace in particular.
I ask because I'm making a moveset for Cinderace but have no plans to implement that ability for that sort of feature so I'm curious how you'd see it being implemented sense you brought it up.
Where could I find your moveset for Cinderace?
 

LightKnight

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 21, 2019
Messages
218
#26
Where could I find your moveset for Cinderace?
I'll post it on this thread when I've finished. I recently jotted down a rough idea of what all Cinderace's moves could be so I just need to write what specifically they do as I know generally what I'm trying to accomplish with the character.

As a side note, I think after Byleth's reveal that sorta helps Pokemon's chances of getting a gen 8 rep. Cause it shows Nintendo is intending to advertise at least one of their newer titles through a playable character.
 

NeonVoid

Smash Cadet
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
Messages
28
#27
I'll post it on this thread when I've finished. I recently jotted down a rough idea of what all Cinderace's moves could be so I just need to write what specifically they do as I know generally what I'm trying to accomplish with the character.

As a side note, I think after Byleth's reveal that sorta helps Pokemon's chances of getting a gen 8 rep. Cause it shows Nintendo is intending to advertise at least one of their newer titles through a playable character.
Yeah, plus, which new Pokemon has been given the most attention? If the fighters are already decided, then Cinderace could've been predicted as the fan-favorite by GF and Sakurai if that makes sense
 

LightKnight

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 21, 2019
Messages
218
#28
Yeah, plus, which new Pokemon has been given the most attention? If the fighters are already decided, then Cinderace could've been predicted as the fan-favorite by GF and Sakurai if that makes sense
For sure. The fact its shown with Gou in the anime alone tells me its the favored starter of the gen. I know there was a sort of jerk reaction to the final form of the pokemon by some fans but its no surprise that its so popular seeing as sports/football is so loved.
 

NeonVoid

Smash Cadet
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
Messages
28
#29
Well, I think this board is more popular with posts than the Toxtricity board, Also
For sure. The fact its shown with Gou in the anime alone tells me its the favored starter of the gen. I know there was a sort of jerk reaction to the final form of the pokemon by some fans but its no surprise that its so popular seeing as sports/football is so loved.
To be fair, Inteleon got it's fair share of hate, Rillaboom too. I guess now well just have to see, I'm supporting Cinderace for Smash all the way
 
Last edited:

UserKev

Smash Lord
Joined
May 10, 2017
Messages
1,679
#33
I think that Cinderace is the best choice for a Gen 8 starter. Rillaboom is overrated and a bandwagon pick and Inteleon's G-Max form is too silly to take seriously.
Fire starter Pokémon are more likely to be heavily marketed in general. Grass starters are really lucky to see any praise, honestly. This was mostly long overdo.
 

LightKnight

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Mar 21, 2019
Messages
218
#37
Yeah, now this should work, he's the updated link. Just let me know if you want editing access!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15AE4hAj6p5h-fv0qi9kqA0kikeniZkhuwRUTLWJNinU/edit?usp=drivesdk
Nice! I'm glad you were able to come up with something. This is a very cool Libero take on Cinderace's moveset :b:
The way Cinderace moves in your moveset definitely feels like the character.
I'm assuming while Steel typing your not only slower but a higher weight? In other words, while Cinderace doesn't fall any faster they would however be harder to launch out of bounds? Seemed odd to me that the only benefit of becoming the typing is a 100% trip chance on the Dtilt while taking a pretty significant nerf in the form of mobility.
 

MajestyIndigo

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Aug 16, 2018
Messages
446
Location
France
#39
Nice! I'm glad you were able to come up with something. This is a very cool Libero take on Cinderace's moveset :b:
The way Cinderace moves in your moveset definitely feels like the character.
I'm assuming while Steel typing your not only slower but a higher weight? In other words, while Cinderace doesn't fall any faster they would however be harder to launch out of bounds? Seemed odd to me that the only benefit of becoming the typing is a 100% trip chance on the Dtilt while taking a pretty significant nerf in the form of mobility.
I had the exact same thought, though since I'm not a native english speaker, I wasn't sure my comprehension was accurate^^
 

NeonVoid

Smash Cadet
Joined
Dec 31, 2019
Messages
28
#40
Nice! I'm glad you were able to come up with something. This is a very cool Libero take on Cinderace's moveset :b:
The way Cinderace moves in your moveset definitely feels like the character.
I'm assuming while Steel typing your not only slower but a higher weight? In other words, while Cinderace doesn't fall any faster they would however be harder to launch out of bounds? Seemed odd to me that the only benefit of becoming the typing is a 100% trip chance on the Dtilt while taking a pretty significant nerf in the form of mobility.
Yeah, I could've explained that a bit better, but to answer your question, gravity would affect you as a Steel type. Knockback would have a little bit more resistance, but not by much, mean ik ng it would be a km ok little harder to knock you off stage
 
Top